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Polestar Optimisation released for Volvo’s T5 and D4 engines



There are two new Polestar Performance Optimisations released this week for two award winning Volvo Drive-E engines of model year 2016: the T5 petrol engine and D4 diesel engine*.



The latest optimisations are of the new generation Polestar Performance Optimisation, developed and designed by the engineers of Polestar and the racing drivers of Polestar Cyan Racing, which include the entire drivetrain.



”The new Polestar optimisation is about making the car more dynamic and responsive to drive. We use the same philosophy as when optimising our race cars, to create a completely balanced package. And this is exactly what we have focused on with the new generation optimisations for Volvo cars: powertrain optimisation for real life driving,” said Thed Björk, reigning STCC champion and Polestar Cyan Racing driver.



The new generation optimises mid-range engine performance, throttle response, gearshift speed and accuracy, gearshift timing and off-throttle response functionality, changes that together increase the performance when driving actively. More information is available here.
http://www.polestar.com/intl/products/drive-e-optimised/


Available models for the new optimisations are the Volvo S60, V60, XC60, V40 and V40 Cross Country*. Visit the Polestar model selector to see if your Volvo can be Polestar optimised.


For S60 T5, the spec is:
http://www.polestar.com/intl/product/s60-t5-fwd-automatic-2015/

It is 25HP more and 0-100 goes down to 6sec. Very impressive. Waiting to see how T6 will be treated.

<table class="table table-condensed table-hover table-polestar-1">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>Performance</th>
<th>Original</th>
<th>Optimised</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td>Power (hp)</td>
<td>220</td>
<td>245</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Power (kW)</td>
<td>162</td>
<td>180</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Power max (rpm)</td>
<td>5500</td>
<td>5500</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Torque (Nm)</td>
<td>350</td>
<td>350</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Torque max (rpm)</td>
<td>1500-4000</td>
<td>1500-4800</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Acceleration 0-100 km/h (s)</td>
<td>6.4</td>
<td>6.0</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Fuel Consumption, city (l/100 km)</td>
<td>8.3</td>
<td>8.3</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Fuel Consumption, road (l/100 km)</td>
<td>4.7</td>
<td>4.7</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Fuel Consumption, mix (l/100 km)</td>
<td>6.0</td>
<td>6.0</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Emission (g/km)</td>
<td>139</td>
<td>139</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
 

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This doesn't make any sense to me. The US-market T5 Drive-E is already rated at 240hp, 258lb-ft (350Nm) from 1500-4800RPM. What am I missing?
 

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You are right. The model list on Polestar website does not have Drive-E T5 for USA market.
Yes.. VCNA's marketing effort is amazing..

Drive-E/VEA engine for the US appears to be rated at 240 hp. Same engine is rated 245 EU HP.
I'm currently driving a V40 with this engine including the 2016 Polestar tune.

The tune is nice but extremely expensive for what it is offering. Added to that most op the optimisation should have been standard from factory. The tune says Volvo did a lousy job and on top it doesn't add much.

A very meagre offer. The torque is under strict governing from the gearbox and traction control and all the power is down low. After 4500 rpm the fun is over. 1500 rpm left gasping to redline. There simply is 20 HP missing.
On the other hand the gearbox is working miracles.
 

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They have a glitch in their site. DON'T click on the pictures. You have to select "or choose your model". Select your vehicle, it then takes you to a list of all the supported engine configurations for that model.

For example, my T5 Drive-E XC60 can get polestar. Below is the list I see when I select the XC60 from the drop down. I can select each of them and it brings me to the specifics of that vehicle.


Engine Transmission Year Original Polestar Engine Denomination Engine Code SP
2,0T Automatic FWD 2010 203 hp / 300 Nm 240 hp / 320 Nm B4204T6 44 31342664
2,0T Automatic FWD 2011 203 hp / 300 Nm 240 hp / 320 Nm B4204T6 44 31342664
2,4D Automatic AWD 2009 163 hp / 340 Nm 185 hp / 400 Nm D5244T5 69 31312704
2,4D Automatic AWD 2009 163 hp / 340 Nm 205 hp / 450 Nm D5244T5++ 69 31312705
2,4D Automatic AWD 2010 163 hp / 420 Nm 225 hp / 460 Nm D5244T16+ 80 31312757
2,4D Automatic AWD 2010 163 hp / 420 Nm 205 hp / 420 Nm D5244T16 80 31312756
2,4D Manual 6-gear AWD 2009 163 hp / 340 Nm 185 hp / 400 Nm D5244T5 69 31312704
2,4D Manual 6-gear AWD 2009 163 hp / 340 Nm 205 hp / 450 Nm D5244T5++ 69 31312705
2,4D Manual 6-gear AWD 2010 163 hp / 420 Nm 225 hp / 460 Nm D5244T16+ 80 31312757
2,4D Manual 6-gear AWD 2010 163 hp / 420 Nm 205 hp / 420 Nm D5244T16 80 31312756
2,4D Automatic FWD 2010 175 hp / 420 Nm 195 hp / 460 Nm D5244T14 72 31312755
2,4D Manual 6-gear FWD 2010 175 hp / 420 Nm 195 hp / 460 Nm D5244T14 72 31312755
D3 Automatic AWD 2011 163 hp / 420 Nm 225 hp / 460 Nm D5244T16+ 80 31312757
D3 Automatic AWD 2011 163 hp / 420 Nm 205 hp / 420 Nm D5244T16 80 31312756
D3 Automatic AWD 2012 163 hp / 420 Nm 215 hp / 440 Nm D5244T17_A 87 31342963
D3 Automatic AWD 2012 163 hp / 420 Nm 200 hp / 440 Nm D5244T17_A 87 31452012
D3 Manual 6-gear AWD 2011 163 hp / 420 Nm 225 hp / 460 Nm D5244T16+ 80 31312757
D3 Manual 6-gear AWD 2011 163 hp / 420 Nm 205 hp / 420 Nm D5244T16 80 31312756
D3 Manual 6-gear AWD 2012 163 hp / 420 Nm 215 hp / 420 Nm D5244T17_M 87 31342963
D3 Manual 6-gear AWD 2012 163 hp / 420 Nm 200 hp / 420 Nm D5244T17_M 87 31452012
D3 Automatic FWD 2013 136 hp / 350 Nm 163 hp / 400 Nm D5204T7 31 31432183
D3 Automatic FWD 2014 136 hp / 350 Nm 163 hp / 400 Nm D5204T7 31 31432183
D3 Automatic FWD 2015 136 hp / 350 Nm 163 hp / 400 Nm D5204T7 31 31432183
D3 Manual 6-gear FWD 2013 136 hp / 350 Nm 163 hp / 400 Nm D5204T7 31 31432183
D3 Manual 6-gear FWD 2014 136 hp / 350 Nm 163 hp / 400 Nm D5204T7 31 31432183
D3 Manual 6-gear FWD 2015 136 hp / 350 Nm 163 hp / 400 Nm D5204T7 31 31432183
D4 Automatic AWD 2013 163 hp / 420 Nm 215 hp / 440 Nm D5244T17_A 87 31342963
D4 Automatic AWD 2013 163 hp / 420 Nm 200 hp / 440 Nm D5244T17_A 87 31452012
D4 Automatic AWD 2014, 163HP (original) 163 hp / 420 Nm 215 hp / 440 Nm D5244T17_A 87 31342963
D4 Automatic AWD 2014, 163HP (original) 163 hp / 420 Nm 200 hp / 440 Nm D5244T17_A 87 31452012
D4 Automatic AWD 2014, 181HP (original) 181 hp / 420 Nm 215 hp / 440 Nm D5244T12_A 81 31432181
D4 Automatic AWD 2015 181 hp / 420 Nm 215 hp / 440 Nm D5244T12_A 81 31432181
D4 Manual 6-gear AWD 2013 163 hp / 420 Nm 215 hp / 420 Nm D5244T17_M 87 31342963
D4 Manual 6-gear AWD 2013 163 hp / 420 Nm 200 hp / 420 Nm D5244T17_M 87 31452012
D4 Manual 6-gear AWD 2014, 163HP (original) 163 hp / 420 Nm 215 hp / 420 Nm D5244T17_M 87 31342963
D4 Manual 6-gear AWD 2014, 163HP (original) 163 hp / 420 Nm 200 hp / 420 Nm D5244T17_M 87 31452012
D4 Manual 6-gear AWD 2014, 181HP (original) 181 hp / 420 Nm 215 hp / 420 Nm D5244T12_M 81 31432181
D4 Manual 6-gear AWD 2015 181 hp / 420 Nm 215 hp / 420 Nm D5244T12_M 81 31432181
D4 Drive-E Automatic FWD 2014 181 hp / 400 Nm 200 hp / 440 Nm D4204T5 73 31452795
D4 Drive-E Automatic FWD 2015 181 hp / 400 Nm 200 hp / 440 Nm D4204T5 73 31452795
D4 Drive-E Automatic FWD 2016 190 hp / 400 Nm 200 hp / 440 Nm D4204T14 A8 31478103
D4 Drive-E Manual 6-gear FWD 2014 181 hp / 400 Nm 200 hp / 440 Nm D4204T5 73 31452795
D4 Drive-E Manual 6-gear FWD 2015 181 hp / 400 Nm 200 hp / 440 Nm D4204T5 73 31452795
D4 Drive-E Manual 6-gear FWD 2016 190 hp / 400 Nm 200 hp / 440 Nm D4204T14 A8 31478103
D5 Automatic AWD 2009 185 hp / 400 Nm 205 hp / 450 Nm D5244T4 71 31312703
D5 Automatic AWD 2010 205 hp / 420 Nm 225 hp / 460 Nm D5244T10 70 31312754
D5 Automatic AWD 2011 205 hp / 420 Nm 225 hp / 460 Nm D5244T10 70 31312754
D5 Automatic AWD 2012 215 hp / 440 Nm 230 hp / 470 Nm D5244T15 82 31342962
D5 Automatic AWD 2013 215 hp / 440 Nm 230 hp / 470 Nm D5244T15 82 31342962
D5 Automatic AWD 2014 215 hp / 440 Nm 230 hp / 470 Nm D5244T15 82 31342962
D5 Automatic AWD 2015 215 hp / 440 Nm 230 hp / 470 Nm D5244T15 82 31342962
D5 Automatic AWD 2016 220 hp / 440 Nm 230 hp / 470 Nm D5244T20 97 31452784
D5 Manual 6-gear AWD 2009 185 hp / 400 Nm 205 hp / 450 Nm D5244T4 71 31312703
D5 Manual 6-gear AWD 2010 205 hp / 420 Nm 225 hp / 460 Nm D5244T10 70 31312754
D5 Manual 6-gear AWD 2011 205 hp / 420 Nm 225 hp / 460 Nm D5244T10 70 31312754
D5 Manual 6-gear AWD 2012 215 hp / 420 Nm 230 hp / 470 Nm D5244T11 83 31342961
D5 Manual 6-gear AWD 2013 215 hp / 420 Nm 230 hp / 470 Nm D5244T11 83 31342961
D5 Manual 6-gear AWD 2014 215 hp / 420 Nm 230 hp / 470 Nm D5244T11 83 31342961
D5 Manual 6-gear AWD 2015 215 hp / 420 Nm 230 hp / 470 Nm D5244T11 83 31342961
D5 Manual 6-gear AWD 2016 220 hp / 420 Nm 230 hp / 470 Nm D5244T22 AJ 31452786
T5 Drive-E Automatic FWD 2014 245 hp / 350 Nm 253 hp / 400 Nm B4204T11 40 31459463
T5 Drive-E Automatic FWD 2015 245 hp / 350 Nm 253 hp / 400 Nm B4204T11 40 31459463
T5 Automatic FWD 2014 220 hp / 350 Nm 245 hp / 350 Nm B4204T15 AG 31441203
T5 Automatic FWD 2015 220 hp / 350 Nm 245 hp / 350 Nm B4204T15 AG 31441203
T6 Automatic AWD 2009 285 hp / 400 Nm 315 hp / 480 Nm B6304T2 99 31380334
T6 Automatic AWD 2010 285 hp / 400 Nm 315 hp / 480 Nm B6304T2 99 31380334
T6 Automatic AWD 2011 304 hp / 440 Nm 329 hp / 480 Nm B6304T4 90 31342701
T6 Automatic AWD 2012 304 hp / 440 Nm 329 hp / 480 Nm B6304T4 90 31342701
T6 Automatic AWD 2013 304 hp / 440 Nm 329 hp / 480 Nm B6304T4 90 31342701
T6 Automatic AWD 2014 304 hp / 440 Nm 329 hp / 480 Nm B6304T4 90 31342701
T6 Automatic AWD 2015 304 hp / 440 Nm 329 hp / 480 Nm B6304T4 90 31342701
T6 Automatic AWD 2016 304 hp / 440 Nm 329 hp / 480 Nm B6304T4 90 31342701
T6 Drive-E Automatic FWD 2015 306 hp / 400 Nm 310 hp / 430 Nm B4204T9 49 31459465
T6 Drive-E Automatic FWD 2016 306 hp / 400 Nm 310 hp / 430 Nm B4204T9 49 31459465
 

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Yes.. VCNA's marketing effort is amazing..

Drive-E/VEA engine for the US appears to be rated at 240 hp. Same engine is rated 245 EU HP.
I'm currently driving a V40 with this engine including the 2016 Polestar tune.

The tune is nice but extremely expensive for what it is offering. Added to that most op the optimisation should have been standard from factory. The tune says Volvo did a lousy job and on top it doesn't add much.

A very meagre offer. The torque is under strict governing from the gearbox and traction control and all the power is down low. After 4500 rpm the fun is over. 1500 rpm left gasping to redline. There simply is 20 HP missing.
On the other hand the gearbox is working miracles.
Totally agree! Volvo should've already implemented these optimizations as standard, perhaps when "sport" mode is selected. I don't see the added value, there is no meaningful additional power or torque. The optimizations are just that, so they should be standard.
 

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Totally agree! Volvo should've already implemented these optimizations as standard, perhaps when "sport" mode is selected. I don't see the added value, there is no meaningful additional power or torque. The optimizations are just that, so they should be standard.

There is no way, NO WAY that these cars left the factory so soon and ALREADY, Polestar has discovered missing power and accounted for it.

This was PLANNED all along as a bull**** upsell. And a pathetic one at that. The motors are shipping DETUNED from what they are satisfactorily rated at so that Volvo can sell you the horsepower you SHOULD HAVE GOT for $1000s more.

I'm patiently waiting for the EU to step in and regulate this bull****.

If they uprate the power of the base motor in later years to stay competitive (basically apply this optimization at the factory), anyone who bought a Polestar tune should get a FULL REFUND.


Basically Volvo is saying they sell sloppy software and then charging you to optimize/fix it.
 

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There is no way, NO WAY that these cars left the factory so soon and ALREADY, Polestar has discovered missing power and accounted for it.
This was PLANNED all along as a bull**** upsell. And a pathetic one at that. The motors are shipping DETUNED from what they are satisfactorily rated at so that Volvo can sell you the horsepower you SHOULD HAVE GOT for $1000s more.
I'm patiently waiting for the EU to step in and regulate this bull****.
If they uprate the power of the base motor in later years to stay competitive (basically apply this optimization at the factory), anyone who bought a Polestar tune should get a FULL REFUND.
Basically Volvo is saying they sell sloppy software and then charging you to optimize/fix it.
For what it's worth, and especially in Europe they detune engines ALL THE TIME to make sure they meet emissions and stay below certain target levels (CO2, MPG, etc.). It also works to make sure the engines get maximum longevity.

So in that sense, they are making it an option to get legal access to the "maximum" while also keeping the full warranty. And for them, they can somehow circumvent some of the emission regulations...
 

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yes but they even brag that the "optimization" doesn't raise emissions so that argument is out the door.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but they mostly say it doesn't raise MPG? And the emissions calculation in some markets accounts for the peak available power.
 

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There is no way, NO WAY that these cars left the factory so soon and ALREADY, Polestar has discovered missing power and accounted for it.

This was PLANNED all along as a bull**** upsell. And a pathetic one at that. The motors are shipping DETUNED from what they are satisfactorily rated at so that Volvo can sell you the horsepower you SHOULD HAVE GOT for $1000s more.

I'm patiently waiting for the EU to step in and regulate this bull****.

If they uprate the power of the base motor in later years to stay competitive (basically apply this optimization at the factory), anyone who bought a Polestar tune should get a FULL REFUND.


Basically Volvo is saying they sell sloppy software and then charging you to optimize/fix it.
It isn't "detuning" if you get the HP/Torque/MPG/emissions reported in the specifications and advertising. The consumer gets exactly what they pay for.

I could get more power out an engine by changing the type of fuel or "air" it breathes. All of that has a cost.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but they mostly say it doesn't raise MPG? And the emissions calculation in some markets accounts for the peak available power.
I think you mean "lower MPG". So long as you're not up in that higher energy zone (rare in emission tests), you're not burning additional fuel for the acceleration or speed.
 

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It isn't "detuning" if you get the HP/Torque/MPG/emissions reported in the specifications and advertising. The consumer gets exactly what they pay for.

I could get more power out an engine by changing the type of fuel or "air" it breathes. All of that has a cost.
the difference here is they brag about nothing detrimental happening by getting the extra power. They are in fact selling you the power you should have got in the first place.
 

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If it is available in all cars from beginning and $1300 more in price, you'd feel better? At least now there is the choice to get it or not,and not to pay for what you don't want.

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I'm sort of torn about this. It is a specialized tune created by what was just months ago an independent tuning and racing company. I can see how the up-charge can be rationalized as recouping focused R&D that people who drive exclusively in comfort mode don't want to pay for.
 

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There is no way, NO WAY that these cars left the factory so soon and ALREADY, Polestar has discovered missing power and accounted for it.

This was PLANNED all along as a bull**** upsell. And a pathetic one at that. The motors are shipping DETUNED from what they are satisfactorily rated at so that Volvo can sell you the horsepower you SHOULD HAVE GOT for $1000s more.

I'm patiently waiting for the EU to step in and regulate this bull****.

If they uprate the power of the base motor in later years to stay competitive (basically apply this optimization at the factory), anyone who bought a Polestar tune should get a FULL REFUND.


Basically Volvo is saying they sell sloppy software and then charging you to optimize/fix it.
You really need to stop "crying" about this. Anyone who bought a vehicle got EXACTLY what they paid for! They paid for a vehicle with a specific power rating and that is what they got. There is nothing in any law that states that a manufacturer has to sell an engine optimized to it's highest level. Creating additional revenue streams is called business. If you don't like it, tough, vote with your money. Buy brands that don't do this, which none exist. Every single brand comes out with an improvement on their existing powertrain constantly. The extra engineering to Optimize the engines further costs money and Volvo rightly didn't want to add that cost to the base car for everyone to have to pay. No matter how much you complain about this in 40 different threads won't change it.

The part you also confuse is that the timing of the XC90 release is completely irrelevant. This is a drivetrain optimization and this drivetrain was released in 2014. That is how long they have had to work on this project. They are just now releasing it.

Companies like Tesla are changing their cars sometimes on a weekly basis. The new Autopilot feature costs people $3,000 who didn't buy it beforehand. Elon just said on the Earnings call "If you are worried about Model S changing next week and waiting for the "new one" you'll never own one, because it will constantly be updated. This is the future of cars.
 

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Also maybe you should research tuning in general since you seem to be interested but misinformed. Its not about "discovering missing power". I can see how you feel cheated if you are thinking about it in those terms.

You probably know this but the tune addresses the entire drivetrain controls, not just the engine power. Think of it as buying the director's cut DVD of a film.
 

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UNDERestimating rather than overestimating engine power seems more common these days, particularly with some German cars which accelerate quicker than their claimed power output might suggest.

Polestar's description of their tuning as 'optimization' is a poor choice of words, suggesting Volvo made the engines wrong in the first place.
 
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