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Coastal,<P>This is to inspire you to get that long board out! Get wet!<P><BR> <IMG SRC="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1660792&a=12723725&p=47313122"> <P><BR> <IMG SRC="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1660792&a=12723725&p=47313125">
 

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Nice pics! Must be fun driving on the beach eh? Can't do that here :|<BR>Haven't been out since getting the new car, and I'm really looking forward to making the innaugural trip!<P>Where is that... Cannon Beach?
 

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You know your Oregon Coast. Actually, it's Sunset Beach -- about 9 miles North of Seaside -- close! <P>This was my first time in the sand and it was pretty fun. The best part was when I helped a couple of guys push their Ford Ranger (2WD) out of the sand they nosed into, then I got back in my rig and smoothly pulled away.<P>It's amazing how many bumps and shimmies you feel on a real road after you've been driving on the sand for an hour.<P>I say don't wait, get out and play!
 

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Mr. Story -<P>Great, inspirational pictures. Wanna know how to be even cooler? Buy yourself an extra tow eye bolt, then screw one in the front bumper and one in the rear. Then use those as the bow/stern tie-downs. It's about the cleanest tie-downs you'll ever have! And you don't need to crawl under the bumper.<P>I'd be doing it myself, but alas, I'm between kayaks right now <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/frown.gif"><P>- Darell<P>
 

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There's a cover on the front bumper of the XC that's about 4"wide, on the right hand side. It's pretty far off to the side, but is there something under there you could attach a stud to?<P>I haven't got any loads that would need this, but perhaps for your benefit?<P>Personally, I don't think I'd be into popping holes into the bumper.. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/redface.gif">
 

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I couldn't even bring myself to mounting the aftermarket backup radar on the rear bumper that Rob used (the XC doesn't have the small strip that extends below and I don't like the looks of the sensors in the middle), so I don't think I'm going through it either. <P>I'll stick to hooking underneath for now. In the front, there's a hole in (I think) the skid plate that I'm using that works great. I do need something better than the exhaust in the rear. I'll be crawling under this weekend looking for ideas. Thankfully the 8.2" of groud clearance allows my 6 foot 8 inch, 280lb body get under there.
 

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Whoa! Guys...that little hatch hides the threaded hole for the tow eye. NO DRILLING. Sure, I like drilling into my car as much as the next guy...but not unless I have to. There's a hatch at the front and rear. Pop those off with a coin and screw the tow eye in. I'm telling you...it's COOL. Way cooler than, say, the exhaust.<P>- Darell
 

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Hmmm. Hold the presses. I just went and checked the little hatch in the rear bumper. I can't see a threaded hole in that one where I assumed there would be one (seeing as how it says there's one there in the owner's manual). The front one is a go though.<P>I have trailer hitch on my car, so can somebody without a hitch check in that rear hole and see if my hitch is just hiding it? I can't crawl under the car right now since have a screaming baby on my back (literally).<P>- Darell
 

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I can't see anything on the rear bumper of the XC that would suffice as a mounting point for a stud. Perhaps the T5 is different?<P>Just tie it to the rear wiper.. that might last a few miles.. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/redface.gif">
 

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> I can't see anything on the rear bumper of the XC that would suffice as a mounting point for a stud. Perhaps the T5 is different? <<P>Coastal - <P>Perhaps that's because Darell is a stud with a special tool, who loves to drill, & never has a problem finding a mounting point <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/tongue.gif"><P>
 

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Not a Volvo, but you get the idea. This is a 2001 BMW 328i coming in on a ship from Bremerhaven, to the US. These tow hooks are standard issue on most all new European cars. They have to be there for overseas shipping purposes a lot of the time. It keeps the car from shifting and is easy to install and remove. Notice also, they are always on the right side.<P> <IMG SRC="http://offworld.com/e46/328_onboard_sm.jpg"> <P> <IMG SRC="http://offworld.com/e46/tiedown_rear_small.jpg"> <P>-Drew<p>[This message has been edited by InDy (edited 04-27-2001).]
 

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Rob -<P>Thanks. I just spit soda all over my monitor.<P>So, has anybody looked into the back hatch to see if there's a threaded hole there? I want mine back! I'll bet my trailer hitch just covered mine, and that just ticks me off.<P>- Darell
 

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I don't remember seeing one last weekend when I was looking down there for the backup radar, but I need look again. I'll let you know tomorrow... for an XC at least!
 

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Well crap. I just crawled under the car, and there is NOTHING behind that little hatch in the rear bumper. I pulled out the owner's manual, and it talks about screwing the tow loop into the rear. The only thing I can figure is a note on that same page - it says you should never tow an auto-trans car backwards. So does that mean they don't let you even have the threaded hole to screw it in? That wrecks my whole cool tie-down plan. And if auto-trans backwards-towing is the reason, why do they even put the little hatch into the XC bumpers since they're ALL automatics?<P>Somebody throw me a bone here.<P>- Darell<p>[This message has been edited by darell (edited 04-28-2001).]
 

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Darell,<P>I finally got around to crawling under. I popped the cover off the rear bumper of my XC and I do see a bracket that is in line with the opening that looks like it would take a towing eyelet. I couldn't feel any threads, but they could be recessed.<P>Now if I just had a special Volvo tool...<P>--Adam<p>[This message has been edited by saabstory (edited 04-28-2001).]
 

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Darell, I don't think the 'tow hooks' are used for distance hauling, they're just there for getting pulled out of ditches n stuff.<P>Plus, since the XC is a 4x4, it should only be flat decked anyways.<P>
 

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Adam -<P>Dig around your took kit, and pull out that tow eye. See if it fits in there. There's just nothing behind my T5's hatch. (And keep your grubby little hands off my special tool). Anybody else out there with a T5 that can pop their hatch off and look in there (or just look under the bumper).<P>Coastal -<P>The owners manual specifically states the tow eye should never be used for snatching the car out of a ditch. It should only be used to pull the car off the road in an emergency, etc. Not for towing long distance, certainly, but that's irrelevant. I just want to use the silly things to tie my kayaks off (I'm days away from buying one, and thought this would be the slickest tie-off ever).<P>- Darell<P>
 

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I'm ordering a second tow eye on Monday!<P>OK, I did get around to checking it earlier -- just didn't have time to jump online to share. It's there, front and back, and they both work! <P>Darell, the bracket in the rear is back and to the right when you look in the hole. I didn't notice it at first looking up from underneath the bumper. It looks like a two sided bracket that forms a triangle against/along side the fuel tank. The two bracket sides connect to a cylinder that the tow eye screws into. Looks totally different than the round hole in the front bumper.<P>What kind of kayak are you getting? I have a Necky Pinta. I didn't have many choices due to my size, but I love it just the same.<P>--Adam<p>[This message has been edited by saabstory (edited 04-29-2001).]
 

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Whew!<P>Well if anybody else is still interested in this rather esoteric subject, I think I have the final word on it.<P>Yes, ALL these cars have the place to screw the eye in front and back UNLESS you install a tow hitch. The tow hitch necessitates removing that triangular piece with the threaded hole. It's been so long, I'd forgotten I'd taken it off. So I'm out of luck, unless I drill and thread the cross bar of my tow hitch (which just may not make it as strong <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif">.<P>I've just returned from the Northern CA Volvo meet (going back in a few minutes too), and crawled under several new wagons, so I'm pretty confident that I finally know what I'm talking about. I also found out that I can retrofit the XC mirrors (way bigger) to my T5. I'm thinking of doing that, since the T5 mirrors are just so small. Heck if Porsches can get away with huge mirrors and still look sporty, maybe the T5 can too.<P>Coastal- I'm glad that at least you'll be able to use my cool idea even if I can't now. But at least I can tie it off to the little safetly loops on the tow hitch I have. Tell us how much those little tow loops cost if you really order a second one. Hmmm. Now that I think of it, I could just buy a whimpier threaded eye bolt, and drill a smaller hole into my hitch. Hmmm. More drilling...I like that.<P>I'm getting really close to a Perception Prism. I need a sit-on-top so the whole family can enjoy it. It's a great handling boat for a good price. An excellent compromise as far as I can tell. Heading to Tahoe for a couple of weeks, so I'm getting excited about doing some cruising. Your boat is a beauty, BTW.<P>- Darell<p>[This message has been edited by darell (edited 04-29-2001).]
 
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