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When is volvo going to step up to the plate against the Germans??? Volvo has the engines in its sedan line to make the move now. The compact V8 is a great addition to the sedan line for '07.<br> The S60 is without a doubt the best P2 designed sedan. Volvo must have recognized this as it is the last of the sedans to receive an exterior design makeover (the first generation S60 ingeniously combined the sophistication of the S80 with the sportiness of the S40).<br> The next generation line of S60's should feature the new 3.2 liter in-line V6; with identical exterior properties as the current 5 cylinder in-line enginge featured in the S60, this would be no problem. The naturally-aspirated version would offer 238 horsepower, a low-pressure turbo version could offer roughly 270 horsepower and a second generation R version could offer an approximately 320 horse version.<br> What made the first generation S60R so great was that 300 horsepower was perhaps the least impressive of its performance characteristics. Beefy Brembos, a suspension system that monitors driving conditions at 500 times per second and unique and tasteful volvo exterior are what caught the eye of long time volvo enthusiasts. In other words the first generation R was prudently designed to easily manage its 300 horsepower powerplant.<br> Currently, the first generation S60R runs a 0-60 over a half a second behind the BMW M3. For the performance enthusiast this factory disadvantage maybe all the statistics needed to sway them away from the more conservative and folksy Volvo R model.<br> With the introduction of a naturally-aspirated V8 to the new much more sporty looking Volvo S80 one could find a potential for a more sophisticated S80R. The second generation exterior design on the S80 undoubtedly incorporates a more youthful and agile stance. With the 0-60 time of a new V8 S80 at 6 seconds or less an R version could provide a more pragmatic alternative to the BMW M5. <br> The development of both the performance, in an all new second generation S60 and an R version of the second generation of the Volvo S80 would tap into markets across the world pining for a performance alternative.<p>DISCLAIMER: I realize that Volvo is very much its own company, and what attracts us so greatly to the brand is its unique and uninfluenced heritage. The brand should be trusted to lead its sedan line into the future with success, foresight and wisdom. With this in mind I can't help but beg the question, WHY NOT?!?
 

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Re: Performance (mcbleier14)

Welcome to Swedespeed, Matthew.<p>Your great ideas for a performance Volvo are already found in other Ford (Mazda/Jag/AM) products (using Volvo platforms) but not in the USA (currently).<p>My ultimate Volvo hotrod would be the C30 2-door hatch with AWD, CVT, 4-cylinder twin-turbo (water/air intercooler) diesel showing 200hp and 300lb torque all at under 3,000lb and $30,000 USA delivered.<p>Dreamin', I'm always dreamin'...<p>George Dill<p><br>
 

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Re: Performance (mcbleier14)

You'll get half of your wish -- the redesigned S60/V70 pair is just around the corner, and will almost certainly be picking up the new I6 (Yannis or another dealer is likely to enter here to tell me to edit out the word "almost").<p>As for R cars, the company has never been real committal about that line, bringing it out for a few years and letting it drop -- they just haven't made the decision to make a performance line part of their total lineup, whether it be because of conflict with the safety message, or just because of expectations of limited impact on the bottom line.
 

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George..............still dreamin huh? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> Next thing you know..you will want to take that little C30 that's runnin around in your head and race the Audi deisels at Sebring! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> Nice to see you still got the "hot rod " mentality <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Matthew......be patient grasshopper......there are some new products coming <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> I'm sure you will find at least 1 or 2 that you like <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>VTT5........the R was never rec'd by the US dealers with much enthusuiasm. Most Volvo dealers didn't want to stock many because it brought a younger, more educated, more performance oriented buyer into the showroom that many dealers were not used to working with. Couple that with learning how to sell against BMW/Audi....then add the fact that there was never a lot of profit made by the dealer on the actual sale of the car and voila! The R becomes the "red headed step-child" of the product line....which is actually ironic <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> because the R is the best kept secret in the marketplace! The bulk of my OSD sales have been R's and XC90's!
 

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Re: Performance (mcbleier14)

Hi All,<p>Glad I found this forum. Been thinking about a new XC90 for the last few weeks and wanted some opinions.<p>Is the new 3.2L inline v6 any better than the v5 turbo it replaces? Though it offers more hp (236 VS 208), the low end torque seems to lag.<p>The v5 turbo has a nice flat torque output (236 lb-ft @ 1,500 - 4,500 rpm) which looks more useful than the v6(236 lb-ft for a much narrow rpm band around 3200 rpm)<p>Also the 07s are about 200 lbs bulkier. Wonder what caused the difference. Looks like the v8 is the only way to go, if you want to merge safely in a freeway!<p>Cheers,<br>Arun.<p><br>
 

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Re: Performance (ashankar)

For starters, its an I6 not a V6.<p>Also, don't forget the other half of the equation, the 6 speed tranny.<p>The I6 will be a success from a marketing standpoint, more hp in a more "normal" engine. Normal from an American standpoint.<p>Haven't seen perf specs yet, but I have to believe they will be better, maybe not by alot.<br>Fuel mpg IS supposed to be better!
 

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Why not?<p>Simple, outright performance has never been important to the Swedes.<br>One could argue because performance cars are inherently unsafe.<br>Not from a crash safety standpoint, but from the standpoin that a performance car is less stable and requires better driving technique than most people have. Volvo's are built for the AVERAGE driver, not the professional.<p>I disagree w/ Bob about the R though.<br>I think the dealers were enthusiastic about the car. What dampened enthusiasm was the fact that the car wasn't an M3 clone. For what it is, the R is a fantastic car and a great value. But it wasn't the all conquering vehicle that the enthusiasts were expecting.<p>The other reason why Volvo isn't following the Germans is price.<br>Volvo can't make a high performance car that would cost less than the German cars would. Volvo customers haven't shown the willingness to pay top dollar that the bimmer and benz customers show.
 

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Re: Performance (VolvoMax)

<I>I think the dealers were enthusiastic about the car.</I> <p>Max......the key word here is ......WERE.......!<p>Don't get me wrong...the R is a fantastic vehicle!!!But as you indictaed...the performance segment of the Euro market does not associate performance with Volvo models....and the "image" of Volvos product line has never been oriented to that segment.....so many dealerships were not ready to present the vehicle to a new type of customer in the terms of features/benifits of a true sports/performance sedan.<br>I am in NO WAY being critical of the car or the dealers....but if you were to take your very best product/technical oriented salesperson and have him/her make a 30 minute test drive and product presentation on an R to a true enthusistist............and then take that customer to a BMW store and listen to the BMW salesperson do the same exercise on the M3....you would see what I am talking about! The M3 is "presented" with focus on handling and performance...using the "hot buttons" that the performance buyer is looking for!<br>You and I both know that there is a difference in the philosphy and marketing between the 2 automakers..................Personally, I believe Volvo is a much better value and in the overall scheme of things, a more sensible and practical use of $$ for a value oriented consumer..............But you cannot deny that BMW does a better job of "selling the sizzle".......Volvo on the other hand does a better job of "selling the substance".<br>Just my opinion....we are probably both right to a degree. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Performance (universityvolvoOSD)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>universityvolvoOSD</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't get me wrong...the R is a fantastic vehicle!!!But as you indictaed...the performance segment of the Euro market does not associate performance with Volvo models....and the "image" of Volvos product line has never been oriented to that segment.....so many dealerships were not ready to present the vehicle to a new type of customer in the terms of features/benifits of a true sports/performance sedan.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Most were not ready (and some still aren't ready or capable enough) to support the vehicle in the service department either. You can't advertise to the enthusiast and not be able to deliver adequate sales OR support. The enthusiast will try it once and move on.
 
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