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<A HREF="http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt" TARGET="_blank">http://www.frontiersman.com/ar...s.txt</A><p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yannis
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (KeystoneVolvo)

Holy 8 years ago <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>If convicted, the perpetrator should have to pay. If no one is caught and convicted then I guess taxpayer funding is fine but I don't see what is so bad about sending a bill to the insurance company of the victim.
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (2k2S80t6)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>2k2S80t6</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Holy 8 years ago <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>If convicted, the perpetrator should have to pay. If no one is caught and convicted then I guess taxpayer funding is fine but I don't see what is so bad about sending a bill to the insurance company of the victim.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hey, wait a minute - it IS that "broad" executive experience that counts, remember? <p>And secondly - your are kidding, right? <p>The most effective way to discourage sexual assault victims from filling the claims is to have them pay for it... they already suffer moral consequences...let them have financial burden as well... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> That's just great <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>We, people, have agreed to bear a full cost of criminal prosecution long time ago - what is the reason to change it? <br>
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (2k2S80t6)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>2k2S80t6</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Holy 8 years ago <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>If convicted, the perpetrator should have to pay. If no one is caught and convicted then I guess taxpayer funding is fine but I don't see what is so bad about sending a bill to the insurance company of the victim.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What if the victim has no insurance coverage? Should the state send a debt collector round? Perhaps report this unpaid bill to the credit reporting agencies?? You must be joking. <p>This is the person who might be the VP and possibly POTUS if anything happens to McCain!!!
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (napster)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>napster</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What if the victim has no insurance coverage? Should the state send a debt collector round? Perhaps report this unpaid bill to the credit reporting agencies?? You must be joking. <p>This is the person who might be the VP and possibly POTUS if anything happens to McCain!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Some funded by the taxpayer is fine...but why not go after the perp first? Sure, victim's insurance isn't ideal...but where do we draw the line? If you try to kill me and I end up in the hospital for treatment, do they not get my insurance info? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (2k2S80t6)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>2k2S80t6</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Holy 8 years ago <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>If convicted, the perpetrator should have to pay. If no one is caught and convicted then I guess taxpayer funding is fine but I don't see what is so bad about sending a bill to the insurance company of the victim.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Certainly, no one can accuse you of being liberal, or even a free-thinking egalitarian. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>More to the topic:<br>* Palin wants rape victims to pay for the forensic test (no money=double victim)<br>* Palin wants abortion to be illegal (even in cases of rape)<br>* Palin cut funding for half-way homes for unwed, pregnant mothers<p>She has done more harm to women's lib than most men can claim to have done. Amazing (and ironic) that this is the medium through which McCain panders to the women's vote.<p>It is simply amazing what BS mindless neo-cons will swallow for the good of their party.
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (24Hours)

A rape is an unwanted event; and is an event that shatters the victim's self esteem, ideals, and many victims require counseling, mental health advice, and in extreme cases; psychiatric help. Forcing the victim to PAY to ascertain that a crime was committed against her/him is simply another way to demean that person.<p>If you remember, a few years ago, NYPD police officers sodomized a Jamaican or Haititan immigrant (Amadou Diallo, I think). Would you honestly tell him that he had to pay for his "rape kit" or the medical care that was caused by the assault that NY's finest did to him? Then factor in women, who are raped at a greater proportion than men.......<p>That's just simply unconscionable. Carey, your support of this is....... I agree with you on some fronts; but not on this one. You may think "Its no big deal, the insurance company is the one getting the bill." but you neglected to consider the "shame factor". Do you know of anyone who's been raped and told their insurance company to pay for the rape kit? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I am also pro-life; but I do and will make exceptions in case of rape or when the mother's life is in danger.<p>
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (njb8199)

i absolutely agree. the victim should never see a bill for anything like this.<p>and the perpetrator should see all the bills. forever.<p>i could never fault a victim.<p>
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (2k2S80t6)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>2k2S80t6</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><B>Some funded by the taxpayer is fine...but why not go after the perp first? </B>Sure, victim's insurance isn't ideal...but where do we draw the line? If you try to kill me and I end up in the hospital for treatment, do they not get my insurance info? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Perhaps you should take a second look at the bold part
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (2k2S80t6)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>2k2S80t6</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Some funded by the taxpayer is fine...but why not go after the perp first? Sure, victim's insurance isn't ideal...but where do we draw the line? If you try to kill me and I end up in the hospital for treatment, do they not get my insurance info? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree with you 100% that the criminal should pay first.<p>The test kit has nothing to do with actual medical treatment of the victim. Its sole purpose is to findout who did the crime and hopefully give the police a positive ID.<p>Having victims pay for a test kit for a crime that is committed on them has no place in any just society.
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (2k2S80t6)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>2k2S80t6</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Perhaps you should take a second look at the bold part </TD></TR></TABLE><p>And how many times is the perp caught?
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (njb8199)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>njb8199</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>And how many times is the perp caught? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>And how many "false" reports are made?
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (momscar)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>momscar</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>And how many "false" reports are made?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Some but not a lot.....nonetheless, would you say that if you had a daughter who claimed she was raped? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Yannis
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (GrecianVolvo)

To all Palin defenders: this policy was such a bad idea that the Republican controlled Alaska Legislature passed a bill that then became a law BANNING this practice. It is so hard to take anyone seriously that would defend Palin on this.
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (BarentsBlueV50)

Interestingly, Palin's name never is mentioned in this article. <p>Was she mayor, yes. Does your mayor know line by line what your police department charges for?? Probably NOT.<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>momscar</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>And how many "false" reports are made?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>WOW. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>moms position: what a surprise<p>LOL
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (momscar)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>momscar</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Interestingly, Palin's name never is mentioned in this article. <p>Was she mayor, yes. Does your mayor know line by line what your police department charges for?? Probably NOT.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I guess we can assume moms is not longer in the "independent/undecided" category, eh?<p>LOL
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (momscar)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>momscar</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Interestingly, Palin's name never is mentioned in this article. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, Palin is at the header of this thread and also part of the discussion which, admittedly, was being veered a bit off topic. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Was she mayor, yes. Does your mayor know line by line what your police department charges for?? Probably NOT.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, the argument is that she had established that policy and/or enforced it. If, as a mayor of a SMALL town, she was not aware of HER PD's policies, then I have some questions about her abilities as a...leader. Same goes for the argument that it may not be logical to know every policy that her PD had. Nevertheless, she is the leader and if she does not have good advisors advising her of what is going on, then she failed at that part of her job. The buck (pun intended) stopped with her, at Wasilla. That was a policy that (obviously) she was aware of.<p>Yannis
 

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Re: Palin charged SEXUAL ASSAULT victims for their own test kits!!! (momscar)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>momscar</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Interestingly, Palin's name never is mentioned in this article. <p>Was she mayor, yes. Does your mayor know line by line what your police department charges for?? Probably NOT.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, I can guarantee that MY mayor, of a town of about 90,000 people would KNOW of such an issue, because I guarantee that once a SINGLE victim of this policy complained, it would have changed. And you KNOW that someone complained.<p>There is not a chance in HELL that the mayor of Wasilla didn't know about this, IF she/he was doing her job.<p>and that is obviously a big IF<p>I guess if you are more interested in banning books than you are in ensuring that all sexual assaults are punished, you'd have a different perspective...<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I can't imagine a man dumb enough to vote for her, let alone a woman. What a joke she is, some one against sex education, meanwhile her teenage daughter is pregnant.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by C130 at 2:11 PM 9-22-2008</i>
 
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