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Hey everyone - I tried to get pictures, but my camera does not reflect the differences i started noticing last summer with the paint job on my 2004 SRGT<p>When I purchased it, and was looking at it, it was always overcast, rainy, cloudy etc etc, so all I saw was an 04 SRGT with the body kit.<p>Last summer i noticed subtle differences in the paint, and now that I have an updated perscription for my glasses ( <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> ) i can see vast differences.<p>I have the black sapphire/gobi combo.<p>I can clearly tell that certain quarter panels dont match the doors, the door handles dont match the doors, the bumper section doest match the quarter panels, the sport kit matches some of the parts, not others.<p>It looks like a faded black saph in sections, and a fresh black saph in others.<p>Needless to say i'm rather perturbed by the whole situation being that they stated 1 prior owner, lease return, no accidents, damage or work done other than some brake work.<p>With no body damage, why in the heck would the parts not match color-wise? Either A) They painted it and didnt disclose that, B) there was body damage that wasnt on carfax and they didnt disclose, or C) the dealer was swindled at auction and didnt know better.<p>Clearly my engine and everything else is 'R', but im a little put off by the fact that there is a clear difference when in direct sunlight between the paint covering my car, almost enough for me to warrant a repaint.<p>Just for clarification, my dad and stepmom think im just being picky, and my friends cant tell the difference, but the other 'car guys' i know noticied it right away, and once i got my new specs i saw it too.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Anyone see this before or have thoughts? JRL - Thoughts being that you are a wholesale/auction guru?
 

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I can tell you that on my 04 Sapphire I don't see any of the things you describe. <p>I'd feel safe to say that your car had been partially repainted at some time.<p>Sorry.
 

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Re: Paint discrepancy thoughts on my Black Saph - frustrated... (AbsolutZer0)

Go to any car dealer.<br>Ask for the used car manager and ask him if you can use his <B>paint guage meter</B>. Almost any used car manager worth his soul has one, or go to a good body shop and ask the painter.<br>A Volvo should show 4.5 mils. on every panel except the roof <I>may</I> show 4.0.<br>If you hit a section and it shows "error", there's plastic (bondo) skim coat on top of the paint!<p>If you think a panel has been painted, feel and look inside.<br>If a door was painted you should see and feel a masking line somewhere in the jamb,<p>The body kit <I>may</I> not match if it was installed later on, other than that...<br>A: your car has had some panels painted <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>B: Go back to the Opthamologist <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW, my black 05 I have here for sale is 100% the same front to rear, (no paintwork)!
 

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Keep in mind there may be discrepancies based on how the light refracts and bends off of the curves of the car. Plus it depends on what surface was painted. If you are looking at the plastic bumper, aluminum hood or door panels, they will look different because the paint reacts (and ages) differently on different materials. But these are slight diferences...so it all depends on our individual subjective perceptions.
 

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Re: (SHOlover)

Bumpers, possibly, hood NO
 

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Re: (JRL)

i have the black and the door handles look different in direct sunlight because theyre plastic. dont notice it all the time but i have noticed it ONCE lol.
 

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Re: (mpdbrown)

I have an 04 that has had a lot of time in the sun at 7200 feet. I see no differences in the panels or anywhere else for that matter.
 

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Re: (Hi Alt R)

I agree with Firehawk. All panels match on my black sapphire, regardless of the lighting.<p>Carfax doesn't catch everything either, from what I've heard. It's not foolproof.
 

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Carfax is completely worthless if the accident wasn't reported or run through insurance.<p>I've seen cars come back as "certified" yet were clearly pieced together.<p>One was so bad they'd scabbed a new rear on the car, and didn't even line it up properly!
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>firehawk618</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Carfax is completely worthless if the accident wasn't reported or run through insurance.<p>I've seen cars come back as "certified" yet were clearly pieced together.<p>One was so bad they'd scabbed a new rear on the car, and didn't even line it up properly!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>To a lesser extent, if a car is traded in or purchased at auction and has numerous paint chips and scratches, the dealer will have a paint guy come by and paint what is needed on the lot. Most of the time the entire panel will need to be painted. This will definately NOT show up on CARFAX, but it dosen't mean the car was damaged either.
 

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Re: (I Roll)

The only thing that may get painted "on the lot" are bumpers.<br>Chip fills is not spray paint. It's a dry paint process that's rubbed in, let dry and buffed off.<br>(Works very well too)
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only thing that may get painted "on the lot" are bumpers.<br>Chip fills is not spray paint. It's a dry paint process that's rubbed in, let dry and buffed off.<br>(Works very well too)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>By "on the lot" I meant in the shop as well (no body shop paint booth involved). I have seen hoods, tops of trunks, sections of doors (like below the molding/above rocker panel), etc done at the dealership.
 

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Re: Paint discrepancy thoughts on my Black Saph - frustrated... (AbsolutZer0)

For what its worth, depending on the angle of the dangle my black sapphire does change in appearance too. Maybe not to to the degree as you state but the color is not consistent. And yes I know my car has original paint.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only thing that may get painted "on the lot" are bumpers.<br>Chip fills is not spray paint. It's a dry paint process that's rubbed in, let dry and buffed off.<br>(Works very well too)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Are these products available to the public? how hard is the process?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Minn R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Are these products available to the public? how hard is the process?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't think so.<br>Doesn't look too hard if you are able to use a <U>high speed</U> buffer
 

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Thanks for the help guys!
 

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i have an 04 with the black sapphire, no color probs, no rust, no dents, but i think i Corp. Car guy before me used a steel wool pad to dry off the car! lol<p>how can i get the swirl marks out? i have no buffer.
 

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To have the swirls fully removed I would recommend paying someone experienced to remove them.
 

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A clay bar is only for surface prep to remove contaminants...run the back side of your nails over the paint and if it feels gritty then a wash with Dawn, clay, polish, 2 x coats of wax is required otherwise known as $200 at the local detail shop. <p>I will put a shoutout for Menzerna's polishes but they need to be used with an orbital polisher for best results...I use Intensive polish and then Nano polish for paint correction and setting it up for wax / Zaino.
 
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