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Does anyone know how many new and original P1800Cabrio's have exactely been produced and sold in Volvoville ? Could I find an inventory somewhere ? <br>I heard about 5 cars, now more than 60 ??<p>Had all of the cars been provided with a B20 Electronic motor and automatic gear box ? <p>How to make the difference between an original and a custom edition ? <p>Could anyone confirm ? <p>Michael
 

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hi there,<p>Unfortunately I dont have the answers for you but you might want to contact Volvo Heritage in Sweden as they recently displayed a number of rare cabriolet models and are aware of the location of these rare models (if in private hands) and have info re volvo commissioned prototypes etc.<p>hopefully they will be able to help! Please post your findings here!<p>(for example Volvo displayed a 120 cabrio, PV544 cabrio, 480 cabrio (volvo built prototype) and a bespoke cabrio based on the PV651 (built by swedish bodybuilder - custom built as a one off model - based on truck chassis/ chassis cab version of PV651 (not sure of correct truck designation)
 

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here's a nice link<p><A HREF="http://volvo1800pictures.com/cab/cab.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://volvo1800pictures.com/cab/cab.htm</A><p>Maybe contact Kevin Price from the Volvo Enthusiasts club in the UK. Here knows a lot about the P1800 including early build prototypes etc (he owns one too!!!). I think he could help you<p>regards<p>Shimon
 

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an article for you by IRv Gordon<p>"This article about Volvoville Convertibles was first published in the Volvo Sports of America club magazine May 1985. Irv has given his permission to publish it again here and now but please bear in mind that it's 20 years old and name of companies, telephone numbers etc most probably have changed. <br> <br>CONVERTIBLES By Irvin Gordon OWNER OF THE WORLDS LONGEST RUNNING VOLVO<p>So you want to know all about convertibles eh??? Well I'll tell you what I'm gonna do .....<p>(Sound familiar?)<p>First off I want you to understand I really didn't forget to get this information...it just took a long time to get anyinformation like names, places, dates, numbers, who, and how. I'd like to believe that at this time I am the world'sleading authority on the subject but you know what will happen if and when any of this gets published...someone will write you or me a nasty note and say "it ain't necessarily so."I also have excellent copies of the only photos that seem to have ever been taken by those involved...all in black andwhite. Most of the pictures were Polaroid’s and have not faired well over these many years. <p>Everyone was most cooperative with their time and pictures and asked only that they be sent a few copies of anything printed about them or the convertibles. Before I bought my present P1800, I had seen the ad I'm enclosing a photostat of...for the P1800 convertible and had taken one for a test ride. Needless to say I loved it and went back that evening with my dad to purchase it. The original price (w/the few extras that I wanted came to $4150. plus $300. for the A/C (made by Fridgiking) and $400. for the convertible plus tax, etc. <p>I found, being a new teacher this was too rich for my blood or pocketbook or whatever and settled for the coupe...no air and no fresh air. I'm still driving it today with 874K+ miles on it daily to work and wherever else. I guess it wasn't such a bad decision after all. Anyway, enough rambling.<p>No one is exactly sure how many convertibles were made, as the first couple were for experimentation. The first one was a 1964 model which had the roof cut off and no other modifications were made. This car was taken for a ride during which time it was discovered that every bump in the road caused the doors to fly open. Obviously something had to be done. Various ideas were discussed and tried. The final modification was an L-shaped piece of ¼" steel plate welded to the inner rocker panels and front of the rear wheel arch. This was then primed, painted and undercoated so that the modification was difficult to see unless you knew what to look for. (According to Mike Lazarus at Volvoville and his brother Brian who are now running the business, there never was such a thing as "jigs" for this car hidden in their attic as I have heard some members speculate.)<p>There were several body shops involved in this operation (which is why the problems with exact numbers of cars made) but the shop that made most of the convertibles and perfected the process was International Auto Painting, Inc.located at 425 East John St., Lindenhurst, NY 11757. International Auto Painting is still in business and is still owned and operated by A1 and Vito Tandoi. A1 invited me to his shop and went thru a detailed explanation of what the process entailed...where he started, the problems he had with the first few, the finishing process, etc. They eventually got the process down to the point where they "cut, weld, grind and leave the rest of the body untouched". The entire process could be done in a few hours with minimal aggravation. It was A1 who welded in the L-shaped supports to stiffen the body. All welding was time consuming as only gas torches were used at that time. A1 still does much of Volvoville's collision work and has many old customers (old cars...ahem!) with P1800s and 122s. The shop is very large as body shops go and super clean. A1 isn't interested in making any new convertibles but could probably help with anyone having a problem. He says that he is not interested in doing any complete restorations any longer but...(it wouldn't hurt to ask...PH# 516-8843366).<p>Once the top was chopped and finished the cars were taken to Forean Kustom Auto and Marine Upholstery, Inc. on the opposite side of Long Island. They also are still in business and located at the same address for the past 20 years: 25 New York Ave., Huntington, NY 11743.( PH# 516-5499489.) Arnie Howitt is still the proprietor and remembers that they got the job as others that Volvoville had dealt with could not design a top and bows that were free of flaws.<p>They made the last 20 or so cars and had the process down to the point that they could complete the car or replace a top for the P1800 in UNDER AN HOUR from beginning to end. Arnie still has the measurements and maybe a set of bows in his storage area and can still replace a top for anyone in need today...even though they only do marine upholstery these days. He made the best fitting pattern and can have one remanufactured today. The original material was canvas but later on a vinyl/canvas material was used that had electrically welded seams. The roof on the convertible was approx. 6" higher than the standard coupe allowing an adult to sit in the back seat upright (if you weren't too tall. I sat in the back of one I took for a test ride and it was a lot more comfortable than the coupe.) The tops were offered in a choice of colors, depending on the color of the car, such as; tan, white and black. Arnie was kind enough to supply me with 3 Polaroid pictures. Nobody took a lot of pictures then as all those involved seemed to think they would be producing lots of these cars...and there was always tomorrow. (Sounds like a great title for a song--Tomorrow,_tomorrow, I'll love.<p>While talking with Brian Lazarus, who provided me with the rest of the pictures (with his brother Mike and father Stanley), I got a lead on a P1800 convertible which has received (supposedly) a great deal of T.L.C. I'm going to call and see if I can take some pictures. The gentleman who owns the car is supposed to be the son of one of the salesmen who sold the car many years ago.<p>Let me summarize the facts at this time and give you some more names for those involved:<p>1) The original idea was Stanley Lazarus's who was then president and owner of Volvoville. He was assisted with ideas and suggestions as well as mechanical advice by the following: MARTY BERMAN - then service manager of Volvoville. BOB GAETO, RONNIE AWE AND ROGER MAY then mechanics (and very good ones). WILFRED STURMANN and BUD TUCCI -then salesmen. (Wilfred is now in charge of all auto sales. He is very knowledgeable and helpful. Bud sold me my car and handed me the keys to the convertible when I wanted a test ride. Ronnie, by the way, just left Volvoville on good terms to open -a repair shop of his own.)<p>2) International Auto Painting, Inc., East John St., Lindenhurst, New York 11757. Ph# 516-884-3366. Owned and operated by A1 Tandoi and his son Vito. They were very helpful with the details and history. This is the shop that made most of the rag-tops and perfected the process... and never took a picture.<p>3) Forean Kustom Upholstery, Inc. 25 New York Ave., Huntington, NY 11743. Ph# 516-549-9489. Owned and operated by Arnold Howitt and Roy Schoendorf. Arnold was very helpful in explaining how the top fit, the color choices, and fabrics used. The ones that people didn't complain about were done here in an hour or less. Arnie provided pictures and hope for the future for those who may still have a convertible and need help.<p>I hope you find all this helpful. If you need anything further, call me anytime...preferably late...11:00pm or later at 516-289-1157.<p>Best wishes, IRVIN GORDON, Patchogue NY <p>P.S. A special thanks should go to Brian and Michael Lazarus who put up with my twice weekly visits for the last 5 months trying to get some names, addresses and/or pictures. Without their help none of this would have been possible.. Thanks fellows! Thanks VOLVOVILLE. DS"
 

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Re: P1800 Cabrio Volvoville (MIDUVOLVO)

Hej Great to all of you for the information. One cabrio is for sale somewhere in Francen they tell it would number 57 out of 60's original built. It a grey one,.<br>Now pure original, or cut afterwards from an original P1800E ??<p>Let us keep informed. Regards Michael <p>
 

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hello<p>Are you looking to buy the one in France?<p>None of the P1800 cabrios were original. They were all aftermarket conversions, not designed by volvo
 

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Hi, <br>There is very good article on the P1800 Volvoville in the issue of December 2008 in Classic and Sports Car. It talks about one of the very few true survivors of the Volvoville. The history of this car is water proof... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Conversions started in 1965. Michael Lazarus estimates the number of conversions on 50. This is for sure an educated guess. You can recognize a true Volvoville by the construction of the rooftop being made by canvas accessories for boats and a special groove on top of the front window. <br>The one in France is -most likely- not original. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> It came from Belgium, a couple of years ago. <br>I do not think that the convertibles were still produced when the B20E was introduced...
 

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Re: P1800 Cabrio Volvoville (MIDUVOLVO)

I guess some people don't know it's rear wheel drive!<p>I keep the Volvo 1800 Register and I know of a few 1800's that were made into Cabrio's but not by Volvoville. One was done by Bob Stein and his son copying the Volvoville one almost completely, so it may be hard to verify a true one. Another used an 1800E and cut the parts off a really bad rusted out Volvoville car. There also have been several done in Europe. One had a very interesting roof and the rear quarter windows would crank up.<p>goto <A HREF="http://www.v1800reg.org/pages/techinfo.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.v1800reg.org/pages/techinfo.html</A> for some more information.
 

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Hey sorry for delay, some PC problems.<p>The car was for sale in France: described as a P1800 1971 11CV 2l cabrio, seldom model interesting price call in France 00 33 4 50 77 37 43.<br>When I called the resqued price was 28 000 EUR, described as one of the '60's cars, built/reshaped in Volvoville. <p>This number inflated may times from some to 20, now 60.<br>Indeed someone else told me, he had imported severall cars from the USA, many years ago, among which one P1800 cabrio. This was still a home made modification, nor developped nor supported by Volvo. <p>In the meantime the car has been sold.<p><br>By the way do you know where could we buy the book " Swedich Iron " ? <br>I only found an offer on Ebay, with much too high requested price. <br>Copy or electronic version, if authorized and against payment acceptable. <p>Best regards Michel
 

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hi<p>Is this the book you're after?<p><A HREF="http://openlibrary.org/b/OL2070563M/Swedish-Iron" TARGET="_blank">http://openlibrary.org/b/OL2070563M/Swedish-Iron</A>
 

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Yes this is the book, is it possbile to read the book on line in the Library, eventually to download the file ? Of course with registration and fees if requested ? Thks Great !
 

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More info please

One had a very interesting roof and the rear quarter windows would crank up.

Could you please provide me with more detailed informations about that car that you have mentioned.
kind regards
ewkabernhard
 

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Hmm...wonder if the P1800 cabrio would be as good as looker?
 
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