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Been having a debate with a guy by IM...He claims that newer C70, S/V 40 and 50's are P1 platform cars and the P1 platform is newer than the P2 platform. I disagreed with him. Seems that we agree on what the P2 platform is but not the P1. Also, there are C1 and P24 platforms (Ford) which I believe he is confusing, but would like to clear this up once and for all. What do others say?
 

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Re: P1 and P2 cars, what exactly are they? (MadeInJapan)

<A HREF="http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-ford-platforms" TARGET="_blank">http://www.answers.com/topic/l...forms</A><p>
 

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Re: P1 and P2 cars, what exactly are they? (gdill2)

All that gives you is Fords name for the Volvo platforms.<p>The P2 is the older chassis. It is currently used for the S60,V70,XC90, XC70 and the outgoing S80.<p>The P1 is the newer chassis, developed w/ Ford and Mazda although neither Ford nor Mazda makes full use of the platform as designed by Volvo.<br>The P1 cars are the new S40/V50, 2006 C70, 2007 S80 and the upcoming C30 and XC50.
 

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How can the S80 be built off the same platform as the S40? I thought it was still a P2 car?
 

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This is very strange because the older S/V/XC/C 70's have always been refered to as P1's ... as far back as I can remember. With the advent of the newer styles in '01, we started calling the "new" platform P2's. Am I wrong?
 

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Re: P1 and P2 cars, what exactly are they? (Majisto)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Majisto</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How can the S80 be built off the same platform as the S40? I thought it was still a P2 car?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>P1x is a PLATFORM. Imagine a platform a Lernaia Hydra...the beast from the Herculean feats' mythology. You cut of one head, one more appears....so, one car is released, another one develops... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yannis
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MadeInJapan</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is very strange because the older S/V/XC/C 70's have always been refered to as P1's ... as far back as I can remember. With the advent of the newer styles in '01, we started calling the "new" platform P2's. Am I wrong? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>P2x is the platform that spawned the S80. Off that platform, we got the new V70, the XC70, the S60, etc.<p>Yannis
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">O2x is the platform that spawned the S80. Off that platform, we got the new V70, the XC70, the S60, etc.Yannis</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Okay then, what cars were from Platform P1?<br>See, (from my signature), I've always considered my S70 a P1 car and my V70 a P2 car...am I wrong?
 

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P1 is the S80, Ford 500 etc.<br>I believe, (not 100% sure here), that the current S40 (et al) is a derivitive of this platform<br>I don't know what the early cars (850 V70) are called, if anything
 

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Thanks, Jim...I guess I've been referring to my s70 incorrectly for the last few years, and so I'll stop doing so. I appreciate you clearing that up for me...I also looked on the IPD site and 850's/early 70 series Volvo's aren't referred to as anything, so I'm thinking you're right. Funny though that the current S/V 40 and 50 series is part of the S80 (P2) platform. That one still doesn't make sense to me.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">P1 is the S80, Ford 500 etc.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Jim, I am surprised! The Ford 500 is based on the now extinct S80which is/was based on the P2x platform that spawned the last S80, newer V70s, XC70s, S60s,etc.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe, (not 100% sure here), that the current S40 (et al) is a derivitive of this platform</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not even close.<p>Yannis
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MadeInJapan</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Funny though that the current S/V 40 and 50 series is part of the S80 (P2) platform. That one still doesn't make sense to me. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It does not make sense because they [current S40 and V50] have no relationship whatsoever with the previous S80. They are related to the current S80.<p>Yannis
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Jim, I am surprised! The Ford 500 is based on the now extinct S80</TD></TR></TABLE><br>That's what I said.<B> I also said I wasn't sure about the new platform.</B><br>What then is the current platform called?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What then is the current platform called?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>There are a bunch.<p>The S60, XC90, etc are built on the oldest one - P2. Which is also being used by Ford for the 500 but those are built in the US and have many changes e.g. steel suspension where Volvos have aluminum, etc. Ford calls this D3 apparently. <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_D3_platform" TARGET="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_D3_platform</A><p>The S40, V50, C70 and upcoming C30 are on the newer P1. This is the shared platform with Mazda and euro Ford Focus. Ford calls it C1. <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_C1_platform" TARGET="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_C1_platform</A><p>The new S80 and rumor has it other Volvos are on something called EUCD, which is a kind of new P1, but for midsized-and-up cars. <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EUCD_platform" TARGET="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EUCD_platform</A><p><br>The whole platform thing is a result of the Ford acquisition and the resulting sharing of components. Before 1999 when Ford bought Volvo, there wasn't much need to identify these things as platforms, the designs never left Sweden. The thinking has changed. This is a good thing, IMO. It lets Volvo focus on what it does best by leveraging the stuff that everyone has to do.<p><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_Cars#Models_with_current_denomination" TARGET="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_Cars#Models_with_current_denomination</A><p>Tom.
 

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Some more,<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Autoweek 5/04/05</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"Ford's PAG rejects Mazda6 platform; European design preferred for next-gen mid-sized vehicles" MARK RECHTIN | Automotive News Posted Date: 5/4/05<p>LOS ANGELES -- Despite recently spending $1 billion on a global mid-sized car platform, Ford Motor Co. has chosen to stretch a compact car platform for its European mid-sized luxury vehicles. The reason: The mid-sized platform can't meet the performance requirements of Ford's European brands. Ford Motor will modify the current European C1 platform for Volvo's next generation of large cars, such as the S60 and V70. The modified platform also will underpin the Land Rover Freelander redesign coming in 2007, company sources say.<p>The modified platform, called EUCD, could spawn the Jaguar X-Type replacement in 2009. For Ford of Europe, it will be the basis of the Ford Mondeo sedan and Galaxy minivan. The size of the EUCD platform is nearly identical to that of the existing $1 billion Mazda6-based platform, called CD3. In 2002, Ford said CD3 would meet global packaging requirements and have the driving dynamics required of a global mid-sized platform. But the company decided the platform couldn't supply the performance needed for Ford's European brands.<p>"We had to come up with a set of technologies that respond to the market needs of the PAG brands in Europe," says Mark Fields, Ford Motor's executive vice president in charge of Premier Automotive Group.<p>In Volvo's case, the EUCD platform allows Volvo to continue using its inline-five and inline-six-cylinder engines, says Hans-Olov Olsson, CEO of Volvo Car Corp. Such an engine layout is better for safety and packaging than the CD3's layout for V-6 engines, he says.<p>"We will not compromise on safety, space or interior comfort," Olsson says.<p>Geoff Upex, Land Rover's design director, says vehicles using CD3 might have lacked off-road capability. "Somebody giving you a platform and saying, 'Use that,' is completely different from being involved in the authoring of the platform in the first place," Upex says.<p>Ford declined to make top engineers available to explain why Ford stretched a compact car to meet its European mid-sized requirements, rather than use the existing global mid-sized CD3 platform. With Ford's European plants already set up to handle C1, it might be easier to stretch that platform and use the established processes, build sequences and supplier networks than to start over with the CD3 platform.<p>Ford already has planned for the Mazda6 platform to spawn 10 products, including the Ford, Mercury and Lincoln mid-sized sedans and sport wagons. The company expects to sell about 900,000 units in North America from the platform.<p>The EUCD will share several component sets -- such as suspension, brakes and electrical systems -- with the C1 compact car platform. That platform already is the basis for the Volvo S40, Mazda3 and European-market Ford Focus. In some circles, EUCD is being called C1-Plus.<p>The U.S. Focus is built on the previous-generation Focus platform.<p>Michael Robinet, analyst with CSM Worldwide in Farmington Hills, Mich., believes a platform must produce at least 1 million annual units for it to be efficient. Toyota's and Nissan's mid-sized platforms each generate more than 2 million units annually, Robinet says. "The trick is whether you can be flexible enough to vary the technology or content levels within all the different models," he says.<p>Eric Noble, president of The Car Lab consulting firm in Orange, Calif., says manufacturing efficiency means little if it sacrifices the vehicles' performance. Says Noble: "In order to build in the attributes they want, they need this different platform."</TD></TR></TABLE>
 

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Re: P1 and P2 cars, what exactly are they? (Majisto)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Majisto</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How can the S80 be built off the same platform as the S40? I thought it was still a P2 car?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>The S80 until MY06 is a P2-based car. The new one is EUCD, which is in turn reportedly based on P1 engineering. The rumored XC50 is alternatively rumored to be on P1 and EUCD. Clear as mud, eh?<p>Tom.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>That's what I said.<B> I also said I wasn't sure about the new platform.</B></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is not what you wrote, according to this:<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">P1 is the S80, Ford 500 etc.<br>I believe, (not 100% sure here), that the current S40 (et al) is a derivitive of this platform</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What then is the current platform called?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What other platform? The P2x cars had their own names (P21, P23, P24, P26, etc.). The newer cars (based on the Mazda/Volvo platform are P1x for Volvo, C1 for Ford, etc.)<p>Yannis
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>tmtalpey</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The whole platform thing is a result of the Ford acquisition and the resulting sharing of components. Before 1999 when Ford bought Volvo, there wasn't much need to identify these things as platforms, .....<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>You could be right wr.t designations, but don't forget that designs for the S80, 2nd gen V70/XC70 and S60 were completed on a common platform (apparently, with adjustments for each model) using shared components prior to the Ford acquisition. At some point, the platform was designated P2, while the small car platform (1st gen S40, V40) was called P1. This article provides some insights:<p><A HREF="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3012/is_12_180/ai_68535984" TARGET="_blank">http://www.findarticles.com/p/...35984</A><p>(References in the article to 880, 870 and 860 should be S80, V70 and S60, respectively)<p>In summary, as I understand it:<p>Old P1 - 1st gen S40, V40<p>P2 - 1st gen S80, 2nd gen V70/XC70, S60, XC90<p>Ford D3 (derivative of P2) - Ford 500, Freestyle<p>New P1 (= Ford C1) - 2nd gen S40, V50, 2nd gen C70, C30, Mazda3, Mazda5, current Euro Ford Focus<p>EUCD (stretched derivative of C1) - 2nd gen S80, 2nd gen Ford Galaxy, Ford S-Max, LR2(?), XC50(?)<br> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Calhon at 10:38 AM 8-9-2006</i>
 

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Was there a platform name for the 850/855, and earliest 70 series Volvo's? As of yet, I don't see any platform name for them.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MadeInJapan</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Was there a platform name for the 850/855, and earliest 70 series Volvo's? As of yet, I don't see any platform name for them. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>According to Volvo's official history the 850 was dubbed the Galaxy project. There were 2 platforms, the G1 which was the basis for the 440, and the G2 which was the basis for the 850.<br>However, the project took so long that the paltform for the 850 was redone and was renamed P10.
 
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