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I wanted to start a post here to document what I am doing to resolve the stutter problem, and help others find info on what is happening and what symptoms and solutions exist.<p>*Excuse me if I am using cliched words, I would like this info to be easily found for others with the same issue. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>My car, about 6 days ago, started to appear to miss, like it was out of gas, as I continued to drive home, at low speeds it would jerk the car, I thought CRAP, turbo just went out, was very sporadic. After doing some research here, and having the time to finally get it into Auto Zone for a OBD scan I got the above msg P0193 "Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit High Input", I have found I need to replace this sensor. The part amount I was quoted at the dealer is $200, with a labor of around $65. From what I have read on the forums it's about a 20 min job, and a common problem. I noticed while researching there was a recall on 2003-2004 cars for this exact problem, but was revised, and I am told my car is not covered in it, being a 2004 S60R built in Apr 04 with chassis number in the 374XXX range with Belgium assembly.<p>My question for those of you who know about this recall, or those who have fixed the problem, I could use your input on the following questions, and would like to get this thread with enough info to help people find the info for their problems.<p>1. Anyone know why our car is NOT covered by the recall, I have talked with VOA customer service (Brad I believe) who gave me good info but no definitive reason, the recall states 100% the issues I am having, and from what I have read others have had as well?<p>2. Has anyone replaced this part themselves, if so how difficult, or possibly a guide to do it? I have read it's a couple bolts for vanity cover of intake, then the sensor itself which does not appear to be that difficult.<p>3. If you have experienced this what symptoms did you see, how long did you drive it before getting it repaired, did your CEL light illuminate, how many miles were on your car?<br>I currently have had to drive about 200 miles in this condition and will be repairing it this weekend. The first 3 days I had no CEL light but the last 2 days it has gone on and off depending on how bad it is acting up. It came on when i was just under 40k miles on the car.<p>4. Do you have any info on what the problem with the sensor actually is doing?<br>I theorize that the sensor is sending invalid data to the ECU that the rail is under high pressure, causing the ECU to cut off fuel to the rail which cuts off fuel for the engine, it appears to be completely sporatic and anything can set it off (heat, bump, shift, air, moons gravitational pull), car usually runs well while cold and acts up only after warming up.<p>5. The recall recalls specific requirements (assembly location, chassis, year, model) does anyone know if they used a certain part number on the OLD FPS and the new one is 30756097 or were both parts the same number?<p>Any information anyone has would be greatly appreciated, even if you can just say I had to replace mine, with year/model of car and mileage it was replaced for a statistic of wear, I would like to update this to keep people informed.<p>Thank You
 

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Re: P0193 FPS Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor 2004 S60R Info and Stutter Resolution. (u4ic60r)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>u4ic60r</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>1. Anyone know why our car is NOT covered by the recall, I have talked with VOA customer service (Brad I believe) who gave me good info but no definitive reason, the recall states 100% the issues I am having, and from what I have read others have had as well?<br><b>Cost Benefit Analysis</b><p>2. Has anyone replaced this part themselves, if so how difficult, or possibly a guide to do it? I have read it's a couple bolts for vanity cover of intake, then the sensor itself which does not appear to be that difficult.<br><b>Not difficult. Not as easy as an air filter, but pretty easy.</b><p>3. If you have experienced this what symptoms did you see, how long did you drive it before getting it repaired, did your CEL light illuminate, how many miles were on your car?<br><b>General stuttering, bad pedal feel, and every once and a while a throttle "blip" when I was off throttle - very unnerving and almost caused me to stall 2-3 times. Drove over 2000 miles with issues and no CEL. Then the CEL was for a misfire on cylinder 1. Swapped coils, was still cylinder 1... Then I drove another 2k miles. Then, finally, I got a Pressure Sensor High Input CEL</b><p>I currently have had to drive about 200 miles in this condition and will be repairing it this weekend. The first 3 days I had no CEL light but the last 2 days it has gone on and off depending on how bad it is acting up. It came on when i was just under 40k miles on the car.<b>eh, dont worry about it for that short of a time.</b><p>4. Do you have any info on what the problem with the sensor actually is doing?<br>I theorize that the sensor is sending invalid data to the ECU that the rail is under high pressure, causing the ECU to cut off fuel to the rail which cuts off fuel for the engine, it appears to be completely sporatic and anything can set it off (heat, bump, shift, air, moons gravitational pull), car usually runs well while cold and acts up only after warming up.<br><b>Its mis-sensing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </b><p>5. The recall recalls specific requirements (assembly location, chassis, year, model) does anyone know if they used a certain part number on the OLD FPS and the new one is 30756097 or were both parts the same number?<br><b>No idea. The new one I got was the P/N you list</b><p>Any information anyone has would be greatly appreciated, even if you can just say I had to replace mine, with year/model of car and mileage it was replaced for a statistic of wear, I would like to update this to keep people informed.<br><b>2004 R, 65k when swapped, not in the recall VIN range</b><p>Thank You</TD></TR></TABLE>
 

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Re: P0193 FPS Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor 2004 S60R Info and Stutter Resolution. (u4ic60r)

I had the same problem. At highway speeds there was an occasional stutter/hesitation. CEL would intermittently come on and go off. I ignored it for about a month until it nearly completey cut out on me on my way to work, to a point that I was downshifting through the gears trying to get to the shoulder. Before it came to a complete stop, it took off again like nothing was ever wrong. I immediately took it to Santo Volvo in Moosic, PA. They were extremely helpful and great to work with. With no appointment, they immediately took me in, diagnosed the problem and fixed it. Fuel Pressure Sensor was replaced at a cost of $323.74. This all occurred three weeks ago. I have been meaning to post my experience earlier.<p>Santos Volvo checked recalls and correctly told me that my 2004 S60R was not included in the recall.<p>Several days later I decided to call Volvo Customer Care, 1-800-458-1552, to further inquire why my car was not included in the recall. They also indicated that it was the wrong chassis but asked me to fax my invoice for their review.<p>I did. Within 15 minutes, they called back stating that the were reimbursing me the entire $323.74. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> They said it would take approximately four weeks to be reimbursed.<p>Hope this helps those with the same problem.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Wildkardz99 at 4:01 PM 7-9-2009</i>
 

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Re: P0193 FPS Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor 2004 S60R Info and Stutter Resolution. (Wildkardz99)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Wildkardz99</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Several days later I decided to call Volvo Customer Care, 1-800-458-1552, to further inquire why my car was not included in the recall. They also indicated that it was the wrong chassis but asked me to fax my invoice for their review.<p>I did. Within 15 minutes, they called back stating that the were reimbursing me the entire $323.74. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> They said it would take approximately four weeks to be reimbursed.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is great advice. Mine was done in late March. I just called. Was asked to fax my invoice, and the gentleman is escalating it. 2-4 business days for a decision, I will let you know. (He said it would not have be considered if I didn't have the work done at a Volvo dealership.)<p>Freakin' awesome... entire phone call took 3 minutes, really.
 

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Re: P0193 FPS Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor 2004 S60R Info and Stutter Resolution. (u4ic60r)

I have found that Volvo is not too inclusive when they give specific VIN ranges. I have seen subsequent TNN's that expand VIN ranges as more data becomes available. Not an exact science regardless of any ISO 9001 claims.<p>That being said, the dealer position is virtually always one of, "if it is not within the VIN range, we will not fix it." I have always held that the customer is the most important person in the equation, dealer should fix the problem, regardless of VIN range, and they can later argue it out with Volvo. Why should it be the customer's task? They appear to be far more worried about their compensation, and little regard to your wallet. <p>Glad to hear you have got it squared away, after additonal effort on your part, and VCNA is stepping up to the plate.
 

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Re: P0193 FPS Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor 2004 S60R Info and Stutter Resolution. (rogersampson)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rogersampson</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have found that Volvo is not too inclusive when they give specific VIN ranges. I have seen subsequent TNN's that expand VIN ranges as more data becomes available.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Different for TNN vs recall, but this is any car company. What would make sense for recalls is: part number x went into vehicles y though z, therefore y through z get recall. However thats not how it goes.... its based on many factors (read, costs to them).<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rogersampson</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>That being said, the dealer position is virtually always one of, "if it is not within the VIN range, we will not fix it." </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It should be. Corporate tells the minions what to do, they do it. If they deviate, they loose. Its corporate/management that needs to step up.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rogersampson</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Glad to hear you have got it squared away, after additonal effort on your part, and VCNA is stepping up to the plate.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Lets see if they hit it out of the park twice=]
 

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Re: P0193 FPS Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor 2004 S60R Info and Stutter Resolution. (imageomega)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>imageomega</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>This is great advice. Mine was done in late March. I just called. Was asked to fax my invoice, and the gentleman is escalating it. 2-4 business days for a decision, I will let you know. (He said it would not have be considered if I didn't have the work done at a Volvo dealership.)<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Any word from Volvo yet? I keep checking the mail for my check. Nothing yet.
 

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Re: P0193 FPS Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor 2004 S60R Info and Stutter Resolution. (Wildkardz99)

I was called this morning by the gentleman I spoke to. They are not going to cover the repair, partially because it was done a while ago now (march 21st).<p>However, I am getting 20% back by way of a rebate. Still well worth a 3 minute phone call.
 

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Re: P0193 FPS Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor 2004 S60R Info and Stutter Resolution. (u4ic60r)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>u4ic60r</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>My car, about 6 days ago, started to appear to miss, like it was out of gas, as I continued to drive home, at low speeds it would jerk the car, I thought CRAP, turbo just went out, was very sporadic. After doing some research here, and having the time to finally get it into Auto Zone for a OBD scan I got the above msg P0193 "Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit High Input", I have found I need to replace this sensor. The part amount I was quoted at the dealer is $200, with a labor of around $65. From what I have read on the forums it's about a 20 min job, and a common problem. I noticed while researching there was a recall on 2003-2004 cars for this exact problem, but was revised, and I am told my car is not covered in it, being a 2004 S60R built in Apr 04 with chassis number in the 374XXX range with Belgium assembly.<p><b>I have Chassis Number 377XXX. Usually, the car just has a quick 1/2 second fuel cut, but last night the car did what you described above and died on the side of the road. I got it to restart (and stay running) after about 3 tries.</b><p>1. Anyone know why our car is NOT covered by the recall, I have talked with VOA customer service (Brad I believe) who gave me good info but no definitive reason, the recall states 100% the issues I am having, and from what I have read others have had as well?<p><b>Dunno, need to find out.</b><p>2. Has anyone replaced this part themselves, if so how difficult, or possibly a guide to do it? I have read it's a couple bolts for vanity cover of intake, then the sensor itself which does not appear to be that difficult.<p><b>That's what it looks like, i have yet to replace mine. I just started having problems less than a month ago.</b><p>3. If you have experienced this what symptoms did you see, how long did you drive it before getting it repaired, did your CEL light illuminate, how many miles were on your car?<br>I currently have had to drive about 200 miles in this condition and will be repairing it this weekend. The first 3 days I had no CEL light but the last 2 days it has gone on and off depending on how bad it is acting up. It came on when i was just under 40k miles on the car.<p><b>My CEL has been on one day, off another, back on after a "blip" fuel cut. I have 138,000 miles, so it's age related.</b><p>4. Do you have any info on what the problem with the sensor actually is doing?<br>I theorize that the sensor is sending invalid data to the ECU that the rail is under high pressure, causing the ECU to cut off fuel to the rail which cuts off fuel for the engine, it appears to be completely sporatic and anything can set it off (heat, bump, shift, air, moons gravitational pull), car usually runs well while cold and acts up only after warming up.<br><b><br>It is mis-sensing, or there is a clog in the return line/injectors (but I highly doubt that). According to my Scangauge II, The fuel pressure typically stays in the 57/58 psi range during normal driving. When the "misfire" occurs, it spikes to 110 psi ( <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> ) and stays that way for a minute or two. It has been getting worse lately.</b><p>Any information anyone has would be greatly appreciated, even if you can just say I had to replace mine, with year/model of car and mileage it was replaced for a statistic of wear, I would like to update this to keep people informed.<p><b>'04 S60R, 138,000 miles. I'm going to ask my indie shop if they've heard of this recall. If they think it's worth pursuing I will. If not, I'm springing for the $180 sensor and fixing it this weekend. </b><IMG SRC="http://media.firevortex.net/icons/custom/standard/wrench.png" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE>
 
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