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Thanks for posting. I asked if we could get a PDF soft copy.
 

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Note on page #4:

ALL-SEASON TIRES are NOT ALLOWED on this car.

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Why not? They have summer tires and winter tires shown as approved, but not ALL-SEASON TIRES (they shouted, not me)? Maybe nobody makes a high-enough performance tire in an all-season variant?
 

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Note on page #4:

ALL-SEASON TIRES are NOT ALLOWED on this car.

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Why not? They have summer tires and winter tires shown as approved, but not ALL-SEASON TIRES (they shouted, not me)? Maybe nobody makes a high-enough performance tire in an all-season variant?
If you want to run all seasons then you shouldn't be looking at the S/V60 Polestar. Get an R-Design instead.

I run high performance summer tires on my car. And I have a second set of steel rims with winter tires. That is the optimal year round performance setup.

Don't forget that Polestar has spent thousands of engineering hours behind the S/V60 Polestar. We are paying good money for their testing, tuning, upgrades and recommendations. :)
 

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Not that I totally disagree with that. But consider people who live in an apartment, or are sans garage and storage facility, it is problematic.

I currently have a house and apartment in the big city, and split my time where i live between them. I plan to sell the house. I'll loose the large garage where I keep my winter rims+tires. And I don't want to be spending a minimum of $1000 a year and likely much more just to store the 2nd set of tires, whether with rims or just swapping tires on the one set of rims. I may just have to.

It would have been nice to have the best performance all seasons as an option and not forbidden. We will have to get an answer from PolestarOfficial as to why so categorical about it. Because the best set of all weather tires would likely outperform the best snow tires (which I always mount on my daily drive vehicle) if I chose to run the latter all year round; and that's not forbidden and often done by people living in the most northern climates.

So again, I don't totally disagree with your sentiment, but there is another perspective from that that we should not dismiss. And why Polestar forbids that so categorically is not intuitively obvious.
 

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I run ultra-high performance tires on my other car. The tires say to avoid temps below 40 F, but I've been on the track with those mounted at 15 degrees F and they did just fine out there. For the Volvo, I'm just wondering why you CAN'T run all-season tires on it? I suppose Volvo believes that all-season are really good for no-season, and hence doesn't recommend them. I get it: they don't want people spinning off the road due to insufficient grip available at each corner. I fire up the old 4x4 pickup if we do get any snow accumulations around here anyhow. If it is icy or otherwise particularly nasty, some hot cocoa hits the spot. I'm not going to store a set of extra wheels/tires.
 

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I'm going to agree with Opus on this one. The performance threshold for an all-season tire, even the best of them, is so far below a dedicated summer tire. I can understand Polestar recommending not to use them. It's not a safety issue, but the braking and handling improvements will basically be wasted. If people want to run all-season tires on them, it's ok with me, i just think it's a waste of money on this car and that the RD would be a better option.
 

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I live in an apartment and I have rented an offsite storage unit to store my "other stuff", which includes my second set of tires.

It's the choices we make on where we live and what we own. Hey, some people don't even have vehicles. I applaud them but I need a car. I'll live with investing in another winter setup for my V60 Polestar. :p
 

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... For the Volvo, I'm just wondering why you CAN'T run all-season tires on it? I suppose Volvo believes that all-season are really good for no-season, and hence doesn't recommend them.
This supplemental owner's manual is from Polestar, who is an independent racing company that is partnered with Volvo. It is Polestar's warning to not use all seasons on the S/V60 Polestar.
 

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I got the same opinion like opus. All seasons tires dont do justice to the V60 Polestar. Get an RD instead ;)

Dont get it, spent 65000$ on a car but not willing to pay for a proper tire... All seasons are ALWAYS a compromise.
 

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Now this coming from someone who never uses all-season tires. But aren't all-season tires going to give you better traction in the summer than snow tires in summer?

My brother in-law lives in Stowe Vermont and left his snows on all year around. When I was shocked and dismayed to learn that he explained many people in the area did that. I would imagine folks from the land this vehicle is spawned do that too.

So why doesn't polestar 'officially forbid' that too? ...is all I'm saying. Don't mistake tho that this implies i am a proponent of all-seasons. It just seems they officially allow a scenario where one has even worse traction in the summer.

The other concern I have is when something categorical is in the manual like this, it could give a dealership something to grab hold of to deny warrantee coverage. Wheel bearings, brake system, shocks, etc ... should one of those fail not from wear but defect, and if an owner had all season tires affixed, a dealer could deny coverage. And I don't think that's right.
 

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In San Jose ""weather "" , weather in NorCal ,
I drive to Tahoe for skiing in the winter. Heh, I will likely plan other longer distance ski trips with my Polestar. :D

That is why I will buy a winter wheel setup for my Polestar.
 

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So why doesn't polestar 'officially forbid' that too? ...is all I'm saying. Don't mistake tho that this implies i am a proponent of all-seasons. It just seems they officially allow a scenario where one has even worse traction in the summer.
It's called common sense. :p

One should learn why they have separate sets of tires (summer and winter). If they don't need that setup on their car then they will likely get all seasons as a default.

Some Polestar owners will run only summer tires year round, like in Southern California. Some will optionally buy a winter setup like me. Others need the winter setup, like in the North Eastern U.S., Canada, etc.
 

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But common sense does not dictate what a dealership will do when it comes to warrantee coverage ... winter tire all year round, ok, but all-seasons? leaves the door open for " You're sol ".
 

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Well Polestar is mandating no usage of all season tires for the S/V60 Polestar. I agree with their opinion and directive. Either don't drive it in winter conditions or buy a winter setup.

Otherwise you are wasting money buying this car and running all seasons on it. Yeah you could do that. I then have some swamp land in Florida to sell you. :p
 

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Now this coming from someone who never uses all-season tires. But aren't all-season tires going to give you better traction in the summer than snow tires in summer?

My brother in-law lives in Stowe Vermont and left his snows on all year around. When I was shocked and dismayed to learn that he explained many people in the area did that. I would imagine folks from the land this vehicle is spawned do that too.

So why doesn't polestar 'officially forbid' that too? ...is all I'm saying. Don't mistake tho that this implies i am a proponent of all-seasons. It just seems they officially allow a scenario where one has even worse traction in the summer.

The other concern I have is when something categorical is in the manual like this, it could give a dealership something to grab hold of to deny warrantee coverage. Wheel bearings, brake system, shocks, etc ... should one of those fail not from wear but defect, and if an owner had all season tires affixed, a dealer could deny coverage. And I don't think that's right.
Do you expect that Polestar lists ALL the not to do things (also the really stupid ones) with their car? I know that in America, this is a big deal (like dont put your pet in the washing machine... Wtf?), but its just ridiculess.

Dont drive the car in winter with summertires
Dont drive the car in summer with wintertires
Dont drive against a wall...

Of course all season tires are better in winter than summer tire in winter. But this is not the point. Noone who has 2 sets of tires will drive the summer tire in winter. The other way around isnt much better either. Imagine you need to brake on a warm day with wintertires to avoid an accident. Well you probably will crash with wintertires, maybe even with all all seasontires, cause sometimes its just inches that decide...
I admit, I have never driven all seasontires. But I have read quite a few tests in the past and they just can not compete with a good set of wintertires nor summertire - that is just an undeniable fact.

All the performancewin of the polestar would probably be destoyed and come down to a level of a RD with a good set of winter / summer tire...

But hey, if anyone wants to run all seasons on their Polestar, I dont care, Im telling just my opinion.
 

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Sorry, running high perf snows all year around is common practice in certain parts of the world. I'd never do it btw, tho i did consider i may run all season on this car many years down the road but no longer will. But If Polestar went to such lengths regarding no all-seasons, which WILL have repercussions on warrantee service, and gives us such detailed inflation guidelines, I would expect them to forbid snow tire usage above a certain average air temperature too. You wouldn't ; no problem.

The people who buy this car should know better and not treat it like say the Subaru they just traded in for this. Agreed. Sadly some who will own it will do so cuz it's Volvo's halo car, not because they are driving enthusiasts. And if no all-seasons can seemingly be used against us as its clearly forbidden in the manual, a statement regarding requiring summer/winter tied to the average temp in someones location seems should be detailed too. When does Volvo leave things to common sense? :p

I am alone in this. Otherwise I agree with you all.
 

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Sorry, running high perf snows all year around is common practice in certain parts of the world. I'd never do it btw, tho i did consider i may run all season on this car many years down the road but no longer will. But If Polestar went to such lengths regarding no all-seasons, which WILL have repercussions on warrantee service, and gives us such detailed inflation guidelines, I would expect them to forbid snow tire usage above a certain average air temperature too. You wouldn't ; no problem.

The people who buy this car should know better and not treat it like say the Subaru they just traded in for this. Agreed. Sadly some who will own it will do so cuz it's Volvo's halo car, not because they are driving enthusiasts. And if no all-seasons can seemingly be used against us as its clearly forbidden in the manual, a statement regarding requiring summer/winter tied to the average temp in someones location seems should be detailed too. When does Volvo leave things to common sense? :p

I am alone in this. Otherwise I agree with you all.

I haven´t seen anyone running all-season tires in SWE, NO, FI. Not even the XC60 or XC90 is sold with that in sweden.
majority of ppl running 2 set of wheels, some bigger cars (hummer) do have all-seasons and most of the lorrys but not all.
normal winter tires in the south and spike tires in the north :)

Regarding storing etc if u dont got space for it atleast here there are a bounch of stores that provide storage, normally the same shop that change them for u.
Here its about 40euro / season to store the tires and have them washed etc.

The reason for not running winter tires in the summer even if they are not spiked is that the rubber is a diffrente blend and dose get harder when its warm.
Similar with summer tires they get hard in the winter. And with hard rubber the gripp / stopping power is far less.
 
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