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Hey all,<p>Well, after just over a year of ownership and 19,600 miles, our V50 is likely ready for reclaimation. Monday I was on the receiving end of some road rage on Interstate-80 in the Sacramento Area. Long story short, I was forced to make a split second decision to either slam on my brakes at 65-70 mph, or try to avoid the car in front of me via lane change. My muscles went w/ the latter, trying to veer to the #1 lane; but a fishtail I couldn't recover from ultimately turned into a 4-wheel slide across 3 lanes of traffic, across the shoulder and into a culvert that flipped the vehicle into a metal lightpost. Car came to rest upside down, and while no airbags deployed, the seat belt did its thing, holding me snugly in the driver's seat; my hands still on the wheel. With the help of people who stopped, I was able to get out thru the passenger's front door, and stand up and walk.<p>Here are some photos of the vehicle at the place it was towed to:<p><A HREF="http://www.compassimages.com/pub/Volvo/volvo_crash_DSC_5418.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.compassimages.com/p....html</A><p><br>-Chris <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Our V50 kept me safe in a roll-over (sierraV50)

Glad to hear you are okay and unhurt .... sorry to see your V50 in a bad way .... Still, metal can be replaced, humans cannot
 

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I find picture 5 bothersome. What happened to the back roof, or was this something the FD did?
 

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Re: Our V50 kept me safe in a roll-over (sierraV50)

wow, glad you're okay! I definitely think the airbags should've deployed though, dont u?
 

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Re: Our V50 kept me safe in a roll-over (s40turbo585)

I've thought about this, and discussed w/ some friends. <p>The main thing I don't know is what trajectory my car took when it started to flip. If you imagine your car normally pointing up the highway at "12 o'clock" I *think* I was pointed at 4 or 5 o'clock when I slid into the small dip/ditch where the shoulder ended. This means my driver's front wheel would have struck it first, but you can see from the pics the REAR driver's wheel is most severly cracked-under.<p>When I came to rest, the nose of the car was pointed at 9 o'clock! Upside down of course. The tail, at the 3 o'clock position was slightly uphill, as the paved shoulder ended w/ the dip, and then an embankment.<p>The light post was against my drivers door, where the car came to rest. <p>It's possible that the car was going through a long-axis rotation as it struck the light post / ground at the same time. Thus the forces on my driver's door weren't directly from the side, but more of a glancing blow.<p>Thanks for all the well-wishes. Injuries (so-far, only 48 hours hence) are just some aches. The EMTs at the scene checked me out really good; and I saw my dr. yesterday for a thorough exam. The worst is an ache/tightness in the muscle in the right side of my neck. But not so bad since I still have 95% range of motion.<p>-Chris
 

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I struck no other vehicles - miracle, as I slid across 3 lanes of rush hour traffic. I think the crushing of the tail is a combo of the flip landing on an embankment.<p>-Chris
 

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Wow.. glad that you made it OUT intact.. Were you in shock what so ever?<p>Makes me feel safe when i'll get in my S70 in a few minutes.<p>
 

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It looks like ALL the passenger seating positions remained intact - the V50 doesn't have a 3rd row seat option - correct? Based on that the car looks good to me.
 

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Gald to know that you're safe and in good shape.<p>I live in the Sacramento area as well and the drivers here are terrible. For some stupid reason, no matter highway or local streets, tons of people drive 60 mph. This causes slow traffic on the highways and really dangerous roads in the city. And on top of that, there's more road rage here then there is in the Bay Area. I really hate living here. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Thanks again. I don't think I was strictly in shock; I was able to answer all the Qs the EMTs gave me. Huge rush of adrenaline, and was a bit shakey for awhile. Didn't help that the exterior temp. gauge on the Volvo a few minutes earlier was saying 112 deg.F <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> Got to sit inside the CHP car w/ the A/C running and drink REALLY WARM water from the canteen <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>-Chris
 

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<br>Correct, no 3rd row seating. Yes, the roof over the passenger areas held; though again, not really certain how the forces of impact played-out as the car flipped onto(?) the embankment.<p>-Chris
 

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I agree w/ your observation of "one speed fits all!" I have absolutely observed this - in Auburn there is Hwy-49, and it's 45 mph in the area around where it meets I-80. People will be doing 55-60 on Hwy-49, passing me to get on the interstate, AND THEN I'M PASSING THEM as I come up to Interstate speed!!<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>-Chris
 

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not the sunroof is gone missing, just one more reason never buy a car with a sunroof as after it flys off it is your head... Fred that gets dragged on the ground.
 

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Re: Our V50 kept me safe in a roll-over (sierraV50)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sierraV50</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... a fishtail I couldn't recover from ultimately turned into a 4-wheel slide across 3 lanes of traffic, across the shoulder and into a culvert that flipped the vehicle into a metal lightpost. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Glad to hear you're OK, Chris. <p>The handling phenomenon you describe is fairly common with FWD vehicles. Once the front end starts to slide, especially at speed, there's often very little that can be done to recover. Thrown into a hard turn, inertia causes the front end to exceed its limit of traction, creating heavy understeer. This scrubs off speed quite quickly.<p>The deceleration unloads the rear tires to the point where they too lose traction. As an unloaded tire (operating at a very high slip angle relative to the front tires) has less traction potential, the car transitions from heavy understeer to heavy oversteer. This can be quite overwhelming for the driver.<p>I suppose all of this is intended to console you -- there's likely little that could have been done to regain control once the rear end started to rotate. Thankfully, you escaped relatively unharmed.<p>Sheet metal can be relaced; lives cannot.
 

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Hm, I'm not sure it's "missing" or if the safety glass is just all shattered-out. Is it supposed to be laminated like a windshield, or safety like the side windows?<p>I AM glad I had the sunroof shade closed - I actually often travel with that open for more light 'in the cabin' even if I'm not using it for ventilation.<p>One other thing to keep in mind is that the flatbed tow truck simply dragged the V50 upside down onto the bed; it was not in a position or safe place to attempt to flip the Volvo back onto its wheels.<p>And lastly, the seatbelt had me so good in the drivers seat - my head was not touching the roof! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"><p>-Chris
 

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damn man! i am glad you are OK. and this proves why we drive volvos <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>i am thoroughly impressed with the structure of the safety cage.<p>will you continue with another volvo?
 

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Re: Our V50 kept me safe in a roll-over (RearWheelPaul)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RearWheelPaul</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Glad to hear you're OK, Chris. <p>The handling phenomenon you describe is fairly common with FWD vehicles. Once the front end starts to slide, especially at speed, there's often very little that can be done to recover. Thrown into a hard turn, inertia causes the front end to exceed its limit of traction, creating heavy understeer. This scrubs off speed quite quickly.<p>The deceleration unloads the rear tires to the point where they too lose traction. As an unloaded tire (operating at a very high slip angle relative to the front tires) has less traction potential, the car transitions from heavy understeer to heavy oversteer. This can be quite overwhelming for the driver.<p>I suppose all of this is intended to console you -- there's likely little that could have been done to regain control once the rear end started to rotate. Thankfully, you escaped relatively unharmed.<p>Sheet metal can be relaced; lives cannot.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not to dispute you, but sierra's V50 was AWD. I know the AWD system runs a pretty much FWD setup with 90% of the power going to the front wheels. But wouldn't our AWD system partially compensate for this?
 

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Re: Our V50 kept me safe in a roll-over (eurotrash)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>eurotrash</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Not to dispute you, but sierra's V50 was AWD. I know the AWD system runs a pretty much FWD setup with 90% of the power going to the front wheels. But wouldn't our AWD system partially compensate for this? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Volvo's AWD system diverts most of its power (~90%) to the front wheels until they start to <I>spin</I>. Power is then diverted to the rear wheels.<p>Chris' account suggests that the wheels were sliding (not spinning). Thus, the AWD system wouldn't have sensed enought rotational difference between the tires to divert meaningful torque to the rear -- provided that the driver had exceptional car control skill and was able to apply enough throttle to shift the weight of the chassis to the rear prior to the back end of the car rotating past the point of no return.<p>Still, the weight of the rear differential would have contributed to the chassis' polar moment of inertia. This would make the AWD-equipped car somewhat more stable <I> up to the point where tracition is lost</I> . After that, the way in which the mass is balanced in the chassis and the predominent drive layout would have determined the terminal handling characteristics.
 
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