Nice. Thanks for the update. I need to keep an eye out for tire deals. I don't know if Vredestiens ever have sales or rebates like many other brands, but if I could find one, that would be perfect.UPDATE..... I ended up getting the Vredestien quatrac 5 tires. Driving on dry pavement has been good with very little noise. Today it is 15* out with 4 inches of snow and still snowing. In the neighborhoods the roads are snow packed with slick underneath. I just went for a drive and was very impressed how well these tires did, I finally got them to break traction but had to work at it. Today’s weather is the exact reason why I bought these tires. It is too early to put on the Blizzaks because we will be back in the 50s to 60s in the coming weeks and if we drive to Phoenix this winter I won’t be doing it with Blizzaks on. Only thing left to see is how many miles I get out of them. Great tire.