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Hello

I think after 10 years I can post this.

I was forwarded two photos from a friend who started working for Volvo in 1999. He forwarded me an image below of a cancelled SUV project. He didnt take this pic. I believe there were three or four false starts / attempts at a volvo SUV before the XC90 on the P2 platform. It was the third or fourth attempt....An Autocar(UK magazine) exclusive review of the XC90 project gives more info but I dont have it to hand. The XC90 wasnt the first one.....

He forwarded me the following pic saying this car was cancelled and the SUV would be a completely new design

Shortly after the S80 launch, he forwarded me some pics from Volvo's Hallerad proving ground/ test circuit that he took of a large Volvo estate based on the S80. Really, an S80 estate with the same front end. The rear was similar to the actual later V70 but was wider and more S80 like....The car was to be the new V90 or V80 (it didnt get a real name). However, Volvo product planners decided the V70 was big enough and they didnt need a V80 or V90. Later, the VCC concept car showed that ideas of a bigger volvo estate were still alive at Volvo. Lex Kerresmakers (in a number of interviews) including his most recent, that he would like to do a new V90 and a bigger estate but volvo is assessing if the market really needs it. Recent info suggest the traditional estate is on the way out, Volvo is looking at "high roofline" estates at the moment and the current V70 was almost a "high estate" vehicle but in the end it wasnt.

I'll try to find the V80/V90 pic at some point. It is somewhere on an old pc.....

He also told me about Volvo having an advanced adaptive chassis design coming and there were 'active' debates at where to put the control module.
(that became the 4C chassis of the R series)

Further, he mentioned volvo testing 'the new estate car' with behind steering wheel mounted paddle shifts for the auto box

At about the same time, the gull wing supercar was spotted in Arizona with a 6 cylinder twin turbo engine. He couldnt tell me much more about it.

Further, the Volvo V10 engine was developed but then the programme was cancelled. See the SAE Paper Volvo and Cosworth wrote about this engine.

According to one volvo powertrain engineer, the V10 sounded "awesome"

Enjoy the first pic. I'll try to dig out the V80/V90 pic

After he sent me this news, he was promoted to vehicle prototyping in volvo's production pilot plant and signed a much stronger non-disclosure agreement. Couldnt tell me anything else......

here is the first pic he sent me

 

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Re: old volvo prototype photo (Shimon)

I like it. It captured the 1999 design of the era - like the Jeep. But with a wider wheel base, good ground clearance, like those hugh rubber tires in those wheel wells, and a great greenhouse view, along with that belt line of rubber making for a beautiful simplicity of design. Definitely ahead of it's time. What was the rear hatch like?

So is Lex Kerresmakers thinking of raising the V90 phoenix from the ashes as a new diesel/electric hybrid with an advanced adaptive chassis? I guess it wouldn't be called the V90 or V80?
 

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the first pic is a of a cancelled SUV project. Ive got the other large estate pic somewhere too

thinking about it....it seems very costly to have had a P2 based SUV prototype so soon before the XC90 which was itself P2 based....

So....maybe this car is an XC version of the large estate based on the S80 which was being tested at Hallerad....makes more sense given the V70 XC that was in production at the time. Therefore this pic might be a V80 XC and the other light blue car a V80.

At the time, my friend referred to it as the S80 estate but later told me volvo cancelled it in favour of a new strategy of using the P2 platform to make a new estate bigger than the current V70 (derived from the 850) but smaller than the V80 and the make a seperate saloon model (now known to be the S60)

in the end, the S80 replaced the 960 but the 960/V90 estate wasnt replaced.

the image is on another older pc but from memory it has the S80 front and a V70 type rear but different.....

I'll try to post it soon.......
 

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I've been giving it more thought....until we can confirm via volvo's archives etc I think it makes more sense for the car above to be the V80XC (although the car never got a name). The V80 was a real car and progressed far enough as running prototypes before volvo reassessed the V70/V90 situation and went with only the V70. Costs werent so severe given that the S80 was already developed. Unclear if the V80 had already gone through crash test development (expensive if the car was then cancelled) or instead was just a design study. We'll know one day. I suspect it was cancelled early one...maybe just a few prototypes were build prior to crash testing development which would come when the car was committed to production. Remember, volvo wasnt using super computers for crash testing back in the mid 90s.

regarding the gull wing car, this was reported in a few magazines at the time.



The car was photographed but volvo stopped the images being published. The image above is an impression of the car by the people that saw it.

It had a 960s straight 6 with twin turbos. I've got a note of that projects title in a volvo book somewhere..."high performance concept" or something

That engine was tested in the 960 and became the T6 for the S80 and XC90.

There are rumours that connect the closed Supersport project with Jossecar in Sweden - the maker of the volvo component (engine and suspension) based







Thr guy who started Jossecar was the head of powertrain/engine design at volvo in the 90s and denied the supersport was related to the jossecar when I spoke to him.

I think volvo should build a C90 and or a supersport model nowadays.

apparantly, it was the same board member who was responsible for the R series 850, the entry of the 850 into the BTCC (he oversaw the development of the red prototype at SAM) and also for the supersport project.

maybe Senior Vice President Martin Rybeck

see http://www.supertouring.co.uk/....html
 

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Quote, originally posted by Shimon »



The car was photographed but volvo stopped the images being published. The image above is an impression of the car by the people that saw it.

It had a 960s straight 6 with twin turbos. I've got a note of that projects title in a volvo book somewhere..."high performance concept" or something

The yellow Gull wing was a private project, Volvo Car Corp. had nothing to do with it.
 

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hi!

could you elaborate? I havent heard that before. What else do you know about it?

I know that the car wasnt related to the Jossecar project as rumoured elsewhere. I spoke to the chap who ran Jossecar.

Who was involved in the supersport?

look forward to hearing from you

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The yellow Gull wing was a private project, Volvo Car Corp. had nothing to do with it.

Not sure about that. Although it would explain why the car was never shown anywhere.
 

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Shimon you put out a very nice tray of goodies. What a host your are. By any chance would you have a sound clip of the V10? I'm quite sure many SS members would crank up the volume. I know I would.
 

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hi stev...

still planning on digging out the larger V70 type estate pic.

I wish I had a clip of the V10
A friend who worked in engine development in the 90s heard it in the test cell. Lambo type sound he said.

Volvo published an SAE paper on the V10 with Cosworth. Pics of castings and finished engine in there. Available to download from SAE's website. Not sure how many they built. I'm hoping to do some more research into the V10 in the future.

Im hoping Jarmo replies with some more info about the Gullwing being a private project. Not heard that before, I wonder what happened to it.......
 

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I don't know nothing more than I mentioned.
Maybe you could search if "schulte-design" knows something more about the car
 
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