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Where is the Powershift? Where are the DrivE (what a lame name, by the way) Diesels or at least the gas powered equivalents? Where is the US Spec D5? Even with gas back to "normal", I can tell you that customers consistently look at the fuel economy numbers, shake their heads and express disappointment and dismay at the brand - then head off to look for something PC to drive. <p>I'm not interested in hearing about how you can recycle the cars or the cradle to the grave carbon footprint. Customers don't care. Customers don't want to hear that the Prius is a fraud or that the grid won't support plug-ins. They don't want to hear that it will take 5 years or 3 years or 10 years or whatever for the hybrid to "pay for itself". They don't want to hear that Ethanol is worse for the environment than gas and has a net negative energy factor. They don't want to hear that they rainforest is being torn down to plant soybeans for the "bio" in Bio-Diesel. They just want to feel better about themselves based on the badge on the back of their car. Volvo customers have money and morals - and when it comes to keeping up with the joneses - right now that means in a green way. <p>I know there are people here that have information that they can't "officially" share. That said, some hints and when some of this helpful VOLVO technology will arrive stateside would sure be nice.<p>Any cryptic good news would be appreciated.
 

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Re: Oil Approaching $60 a barrel......... (seattle)

The consumer will not panic until gas goes back above $3/gallon. Even then, the recession has quelled the auto purchases. IMO, expect to see a normalized $70-$75 barrel.
 

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Re: Oil Approaching $60 a barrel......... (MagoonR)

MagoonR - I'm not THAT old, but I can tell you I've never seen anything like this before. Consumers seem to regard the current price of gas as abnormally low and the $4.00 gas as inevitable and immenent. And as we saw last year, $3.00 can happen overnight (currently $2.30 - $2.40 in my market for regular). With previous gas spikes, the public seemed to regard the high prices as the anomaly, but not so this time (regardless of the truth, buy the way). <br>
 

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Re: Oil Approaching $60 a barrel......... (seattle)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>seattle</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MagoonR - I'm not THAT old, but I can tell you I've never seen anything like this before. Consumers seem to regard the current price of gas as abnormally low and the $4.00 gas as inevitable and immenent. And as we saw last year, $3.00 can happen overnight (currently $2.30 - $2.40 in my market for regular). With previous gas spikes, the public seemed to regard the high prices as the anomaly, but not so this time (regardless of the truth, buy the way). <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>IMO, that is a good thing. Any time that the consumer is bit more analytical about whether a vehicle fits the needs.......is a good thing. Perhaps the Chinese will be able to help Volvo out with the fuel efficiency thing (just ignore the lead paint).
 

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Re: Oil Approaching $60 a barrel......... (Needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dude, stop with the China thing. </TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20602002&sid=a8SZ5MXPqZkY&refer=markets" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...rkets</A>
 

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Re: Oil Approaching $60 a barrel......... (seattle)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>seattle</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Where is the Powershift? Where are the DrivE (what a lame name, by the way) Diesels or at least the gas powered equivalents? Where is the US Spec D5?</TD></TR></TABLE> <p><br>Oh they're here, but they're only available at the VW dealer. Powershift (DSG) <B>AND</B> diesel. We just got one in January for the spousal unit. She does ~36 mpg in town and we just did a freeway run at 45 mpg. Local diesel is 30 cents a gallon cheaper than premium, or about 10 cents a gallon cheaper than regular. She thoroughly likes the car. Our TDI has been absoutely flawless since we bought it. (only 4500 miles) <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>seattle</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Even with gas back to "normal", I can tell you that customers consistently look at the fuel economy numbers, shake their heads and express disappointment and dismay at the brand - then head off to look for something PC to drive. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you want one, go buy one now. I think that's the only way Volvo will get the message that diesels are viable here in the US. So what if it has a VW emblem on the trunk? You're a Volvo driver--you don't care what's on the trunk because cachet doesn't matter to you!! (if you did care about cachet you'd have a Mercedes or BMW) Why would you think Volvo would lead the way in anything besides safety? Why are diesels any different? They were late on SUVs with the XC90, now they're behind the 8 ball again with no meaningful green offerings in spite of their lip service to the contrary.<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>seattle</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br>Volvo customers have money and morals - and when it comes to keeping up with the joneses - right now that means in a green way. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree with the first bit--we do have money and morals. But as far as "keeping up with the Joneses" -- personally I don't give a frack about the Joneses. If I ever think about them, if anything they should be keeping up with <B>ME.</B>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>seattle</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"If you want one, go buy one now"<p>I don't want to BUY one, I want to SELL one.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Oh.<p>So what would the price have to be if you wanted to make a living off of only selling one?<p>Hey, you never know, maybe there is someone out there who'd buy it!!<p>JK.
 

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Re: Oil Approaching $60 a barrel......... (seattle)

Canada and all those other countries that have difficulty extracting oil from the ground need $55.00 to $65.00 @ barrel to make a legitimate profit - without gouging the public. Unlike the Middle East, who only need to turn the tap on - they benefit greatly from higher prices. But, that is the luck of the draw.<p>The world needs better refineries to make a higher grade of gasoline so as to run our new energy efficiency cars. Dirty oil and gasoline need to be cleaned up and refined much better.<p>In addition OPEC needs to look at another way of selling the product - like contracts with suppliers and consuming nations. The world cannot be held to ransom anymore.<p>Enough already.
 

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lets be honest here. volvo had and hads very good product plans, new engine and drivelines and new models coming. But, Ford on-off-on-off sale fiasco has upset, delayed and interferred with product planning so unfortunately products are now delayed. Ford has not meddled with Volvo's R&D budgets but in terms of laying out a long term plan, Fords actions have really detrimentally affected that ie being able to lay plans and stick to them.<p>NB Ford also cancelled the D6 and the ISG (hybrid) programme in 2000. volvo already had production ready vehicles. Plus, the DI 4,5 and 6 cylinder programme was cancelled by Ford. As was the close collaboration with Nielssson building volvo limos (designed with volvo and to their standards ie crash tests etc).<p>As one volvo engineer said to me, if you want to see volvo's future, look in the mirror to the past!!!
 

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Shimon:<p>What impact will the EIB loan cancellation have..if<br>any..<p>Also I found it of interest that the Chinese and American Navy were in"conflict" mode again..<p>Im sure that will set well with the marketing team..of any company trying to establish itself<br>in any free market
 

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What is this...this announcement today..is in contrast to all that have gone<br>before..<p>Answers all of the questions and answers none...<p><br>Fewer than five bidders remain in the auction for the Swedish brand, and China's Geely Automobile Holdings is one of them, the sources said.<p>Both people declined to be identified because the details of the auction are confidential.<p>Geely said today it has no intention to bid for automakers Volvo or Saab, according to a Hong Kong stock exchange filing.<p>"The company has not submitted, and has no plans to submit, any bids concerning the takeovers of Volvo or Saab as stated in recent press articles," Geely said in its filing.<p>Geely issued the filing in response to a 13.6 percent surge in its Hong Kong share price on Thursday.<p>Geely's Chinese rival Chongqing Changan Auto also said it had no plan to buy Volvo.<p>One of the two sources familiar with the Volvo auction said the bidders were being given management presentations and tours of the Volvo facilities in Sweden.<p>Ford Motor launched a strategic review of Volvo including a possible sale in December as it looked to cut costs and raise cash amid industry-wide record-low vehicle sales.<p>Ford has already sold Aston Martin, Jaguar and Land Rover, disbanding the Premier Automotive Group, whose only remaining brand is Volvo.<p>Volvo said on Thursday that talks with the Swedish government on state guarantees for loans from the European Investment Bank (EIB) had been put on hold.<p>Volvo and the Swedish government have jointly decided to postpone the discussions on the state guarantees due to the possible sale of Volvo, the company2 said.<p>In March, the European Investment Bank (EIB) approved loans of 200 million euros ($266 million) for Volvo, subject to a Swedish state guarantee.<p>Volvo said the loans had been planned to provide financing to environmental technology projects.<p>"We are disappointed that we have not been able to come to an agreement," Volvo CEO Stephen Odell said in a statement.<p>The Swedish debt office, which has handled negotiations with Volvo on the guarantees, said Volvo had declined the conditions in a proposal the office submitted in April after discussions with the government.<p>"As I interpret this, Volvo will come back to the government when this strategic overview and the picture regarding a potential new owner becomes clearer," said Magnus Thor, head of the national debt office's guarantee and loan department.<p>Maria Bohlin, a Volvo spokeswoman, said the outcome was a disappointment, but that the government demanded a long-term commitment which made the matter very complex since Ford is in the process of selling the Swedish car brand.<p>She said the company's projects earmarked for EIB funding were still running and that there were no plans to cut jobs as a result, though the project plans would need to be changed.<p>"Deadlines will now be revised," Bohlin said. "So of course this affects us. But the projects are still running."<p>Volvo will now focus on other government sponsored initiatives such as support for research and suppliers.<p>"In December, the government announced these rescue loans, but very few, or hardly any (suppliers), have been able to get any money. The conditions are very strict," said Bohlin.<p>Ford bought Volvo for $6.45 billion in 1999 and wrote down the value of Volvo by $2.4 billion following a review of the brand's prospects in January 2008.<p>Volvo posted a loss of $736 million on a pre-tax basis in the fourth quarter of 2008, and lost $255 million in the first quarter of this year
 

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Re: Oil Approaching $60 a barrel......... (seattle)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>seattle</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I'm not interested in hearing about how you can recycle the cars or the cradle to the grave carbon footprint. Customers don't care. Customers don't want to hear that the Prius is a fraud or that the grid won't support plug-ins. They don't want to hear that it will take 5 years or 3 years or 10 years or whatever for the hybrid to "pay for itself". They don't want to hear that Ethanol is worse for the environment than gas and has a net negative energy factor. They don't want to hear that they rainforest is being torn down to plant soybeans for the "bio" in Bio-Diesel. They just want to feel better about themselves based on the badge on the back of their car. Volvo customers have money and morals - and when it comes to keeping up with the joneses - right now that means in a green way. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not really morals, are they, if they're based on deliberately avoiding critical investigation of the facts. If you want to "feel good" and "keep up with the joneses in a green way", you're just a hypocrite.<p>I'm most interested in seeing some sort of Prius-like recharge-ability along the lines of DrivE. Gas or diesel internal combustion engines are still the most efficient means of powering cars, but they can be augmented by other systems to improve fuel economy in stop-and-go traffic. I find my S60 gets good fuel economy in highway cruising, but it dies in city traffic.<p>Of course, the problem with Prius batteries is that they need to be replaced after 10 to 12 years, and are hazardous to replace and use a lot of energy to manufacture (hence the reasons why a Prius is not really any more environmentally friendly than an equivalent sized non-hybrid). On the other hand, cars usually get disposed of after 10 to 12 years anyway. Be interesting to see if Volvo can do DrivE at a price point where it does actually pay for itself over the life of the car, and if it can make batteries which can be cleanly recycled.
 
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