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I've been researching OBD-II diagnostic tools and have narrowed the search down to these two:<p>PCMScan, I negotiated 20% off for min 10 group buy <A HREF="http://www.palmerperformance.com/pcmscan.php" TARGET="_blank">http://www.palmerperformance.com/pcmscan.php</A><p>ProScan, already 'on-sale' so no GB discount <A HREF="http://www.myscantool.com/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.myscantool.com/</A><p>I've been using Alex Peper's OBDII system for the last couple years and it works well. Now that I have 2006 and 2005 Volvos I need a tool that supports the CAN network. I like Alex Peper's but the ones mentioned above are more robust and better suited to the needs of most SS members and those of us non-OBD2-guru types. I can upgrade mine to CAN support but the cost is simlar to getting a whole new kit from the other guys.<p>I like ProScan and PCMScan because they use an open-standards interface, ELM5, which is supported by MANY OBD-2 software systems (even some free-ware ones) unlike Alex Peper's proprietary system. I like Car-Pal <A HREF="http://www.vitalengineering.co.uk/software.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vitalengineering.co.uk/software.htm</A> because of their Bluetooth interface and Palm/PC/PocketPC/WindowsSmartphone interfaces but Vital Engineering seems to be in a bit of corporate flux at this time.<p>PCMScan and ProScan both come with the ELM5 OBD-2 interface. Both are multi-protocol and will support all cars. Both are very user-friend Windows applications and both allow for low-level OBD-2 access for those who <I>are</I> OBD-2 gurus. Both allow export to .CSV files for additionally analysis in other tools such as MS Excel. Both run on similar minimum-power Windows systems and both support RS232 and will work with USB-RS232 adapters.<p><B>Pros for ProScan:</B><br>- Cheaper by about $17.<br>- Built-in drag-strip and HP calculators.<br><B>Cons for ProScan:</B><br>- No ability to prioritize data rates for specific PIDs (eg. you would want to give RPM and VSS higher priorities than ECT and IAT when doing HP and drag-strip analysis)<br>- Less active user forum<br>- Longer response times to support/pre-sales questions (IMHO and based on what I've ready in the ELM forums at <A HREF="http://www.scantool.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.scantool.net</A>)<br>- in their defence they claim to be staffing-up to meet the greater demand for support<p><B>PCMScan Pros:</B><br>-Ability to prioritize data rates for specific PIDs.<br>- More active user forum and quick response for support and pre-sales questions.<br>- Active 'wish list' for author to add features.<br>- More robust and customizable dashboard, graph and data views<br>- Dyno and drag-strip features will be added in future release<br><B>PCMScan Cons:</B><br>- ~$17 more expensive but a better value with the 20% GB discount<br>- no dyno/drag-strip features (yet, but it's coming and this can be done now with export to Excel)<p>Both systems are good and I believe well suited to the needs of SS members and Volvo owners. You can probably tell that I'm heavily favouring PCMScan and the main reason is their very active user-base. As SS members we all know how useful avery ctive forums are.<p>I'm ready to purchase PCMScan today which drops the GB count down to 9. Please post your thoughts, comments, experience and/or interest in PCMScan vs. ProScan.<p>Thank you,<p>LTA<br><BR><BR>
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is the pcmscan available for US spec?<p>I see all units are currently in Euro spec.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is the pcmscan available for US spec?<p>I see all units are currently in Euro spec.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>US, Eurospec? what do you mean? It will work for all.<br>ISO-9141 for pre-2006/2005 Volvo and CAN for 2005/2006 and newer is the only thing to worry about, Euro or US doesn't matter.<p>LTA<br>
 

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the displays for datalogging are in euro spec. (ie, km/hr, kpa, etc.)<p>
 

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Re: OBD-II diagnostic tool Group Buy, 20% off! (LTA)

Can either one read boost pressure on the R's?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the displays for datalogging are in euro spec. (ie, km/hr, kpa, etc.)<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Everyone except for the US uses the Metric system <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> (well, almost everyone <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> )<br>Both tools allow you to switch between Imperial (mph) and Metric (Km/h)<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>LTA<br><BR><BR>
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>partridge</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can either one read boost pressure on the R's?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Sorry, not at this time. But with more research it is possible and one of the things I'll pursue and share.<p>LTA<br>
 

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How do those two compare to this one:<p><A HREF="http://www.autoenginuity.com/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoenginuity.com/index.html</A><p>Will likely be buying one soon, as our whole fleet is now OBD-II.
 

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I just wish one of these OBD2 companies would support the Volvo extended information, especially BOOST.....<p>I keep harassing Auterra (palm based) to add Volvo Boost to their support parameters...Then for the $300 you would have your palm on the dash displaying coolant temp, intake temp AND boost and would make it an EXCEPTIONAL value....<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sgmlaw</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How do those two compare to this one:<p><A HREF="http://www.autoenginuity.com/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoenginuity.com/index.html</A><p>Will likely be buying one soon, as our whole fleet is now OBD-II.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Looks really good because of their advanced manufacturer-specific capabilities, however, they don't offer it for Volvo and Volvo doesn't appear to be on their roadmap for this year.<p>They do seem to have very robust integration with Ford so maybe there's hope for better Volvo integration. I'll e-mail them and ask.<p>ps. It's almost $100 more but if they offer advanced features for current Volvo's it may be worth it.<p>LTA<p><br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LTA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Looks really good because of their advanced manufacturer-specific capabilities, however, they don't offer it for Volvo and Volvo doesn't appear to be on their roadmap for this year.<p>They do seem to have very robust integration with Ford so maybe there's hope for better Volvo integration. I'll e-mail them and ask.<p>ps. It's almost $100 more but if they offer advanced features for current Volvo's it may be worth it.<p>LTA<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I e-mailed Autoenginuity and Jay responded and said they do not offer Volvo enhanced support, I then asked when/if they plan to add Volvo enhanced support and specifically boost monitoring. I'm waiting for his response.<p>LTA<br>
 

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Jay at Autoenginuity said their plans are to complete work on the Asian Market this year and tackle Euro's next year (including Volvo).<p>However, adding manufacturer-enhanced support SIGNIFICANTLY increases the price (to around $700+).<p>I need a cheap tool, $200 or less, so for my purposes and this group-buy those feature are too expensive and counts them out.<p>LTA<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LTA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jay at Autoenginuity said their plans are to complete work on the Asian Market this year and tackle Euro's next year (including Volvo).<p>However, adding manufacturer-enhanced support SIGNIFICANTLY increases the price (to around $700+).<p>I need a cheap tool, $200 or less, so for my purposes and this group-buy those feature are too expensive and counts them out.<p>LTA</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is insane....It is likely a few lines of code....<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cschmelz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That is insane....It is likely a few lines of code....<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Probably true but the cost is in the time to desipher the CAN and ISO bus messages in order to know what code to write. Volvo won't just drop their drawers and tell us the answers <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> Read about CAN 'cracking' here and you'll see why cracking it is so time comsuming.<br>Check here: <A HREF="http://www.intrepidcs.com/website/CANCracker.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.intrepidcs.com/website/CANCracker.htm</A><p>LTA<br>
 

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Re: OBD-II diagnostic tool Group Buy, 20% off! (LTA)

I'm in for PCMscan, where do we sign up?
 

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Re: OBD-II diagnostic tool Group Buy, 20% off! (BellevilleV70)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BellevilleV70</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm in for PCMscan, where do we sign up?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hey! A fellow Canuck! Thanks for the interests. I was holding off since I'm trying to get more info from some other systems since I was worried that the ELM-based systems are too slow for my purposes (I want to do more than just diagnostics). The bottom line is ELM-based systems (PCM, Proscan, etc) offer the best bang for the buck and all the others are WAY more money and less functional.<p>I'll contact the PCM guys and get this rolling this week.<p>LTA<br>
 

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Re: OBD-II diagnostic tool Group Buy, 20% off! (BellevilleV70)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BellevilleV70</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm in for PCMscan, where do we sign up?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Please reply to <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=63005" TARGET="_blank">this posting </A>in the classified section <p>Thank you.<p>LTA<p>
 
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