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Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (ukmatt)
LOL, yeah, take a screen cap and call it indicative of 24 hour news coverage. <p>Fox is, by far, the most reliable news source this country has to offer. They always offer differing viewpoints whereas other "news" channels do not. The editorial shows, well, they are editorial shows.<p>Of course, none of this matters to the already radicalized people who write books about Fox without ever watching Fox, condemn them on forums, again, without ever being exposed to the channel, etc...<p>If it's conservative, it's bad - right folks? LOL
LOL, yeah, take a screen cap and call it indicative of 24 hour news coverage. <p>Fox is, by far, the most reliable news source this country has to offer. They always offer differing viewpoints whereas other "news" channels do not. The editorial shows, well, they are editorial shows.<p>Of course, none of this matters to the already radicalized people who write books about Fox without ever watching Fox, condemn them on forums, again, without ever being exposed to the channel, etc...<p>If it's conservative, it's bad - right folks? LOL
Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (JoeLvo)
I usually just read the topics and responses on here, but I am between classes and bored. You are out of your mind if you think Fox is indeed, "fair and balanced."<p>All news stations generally lean a direction, MSNBC and CNN are obviously in favor the left while FOX is generally conservative. No suprise there, but FOX does not hide that fact. All of the reporters, anchors, and hosts facilitate the views of Hannity and O'Reilly in their reporting. If I had more time I could cite better examples. <p>McCain can do no wrong on FOX while Obama is subject to criticism and praise on the other two.
I usually just read the topics and responses on here, but I am between classes and bored. You are out of your mind if you think Fox is indeed, "fair and balanced."<p>All news stations generally lean a direction, MSNBC and CNN are obviously in favor the left while FOX is generally conservative. No suprise there, but FOX does not hide that fact. All of the reporters, anchors, and hosts facilitate the views of Hannity and O'Reilly in their reporting. If I had more time I could cite better examples. <p>McCain can do no wrong on FOX while Obama is subject to criticism and praise on the other two.
Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (pOrk)
Obama has gotten nothing but fair press on Fox. Some, hoewever, insist that anything unflattering about Obama, which is aired on Fox, is slanderous and bias reporting. I think it's just because they can't accept the fact that Obama has lots and lots of flaws as a Presidential candidate.<p>McCain got tons of criticism on Fox throughout the primary, and still does. You clearly don't watch, so why comment?
Obama has gotten nothing but fair press on Fox. Some, hoewever, insist that anything unflattering about Obama, which is aired on Fox, is slanderous and bias reporting. I think it's just because they can't accept the fact that Obama has lots and lots of flaws as a Presidential candidate.<p>McCain got tons of criticism on Fox throughout the primary, and still does. You clearly don't watch, so why comment?
Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (JoeLvo)
criticisms on his campaign, yes, but never as a person, cough*hanoi hilton*cough.<p>Obama receieves criticism on his campaign and questions about his character on all the stations. McCain will never be questioned as a person on FOX. What did happen to that first wife? Why was he such a rebel at the Naval Academy? Why does he wear 500 dollar loafers? Why has he voted against many benefit increases for veterans? (I understand he has a better plan in mind, but go with what will pass instead of fighting everyone who disagrees with you) Maverick... I think not.<p>I do watch FOX. I need to know what the other side is up to and that is the best place to find strictly conservative coverage without being infected with leftist ideas while the other two sometimes crowd the news with bipartisan coverage.
criticisms on his campaign, yes, but never as a person, cough*hanoi hilton*cough.<p>Obama receieves criticism on his campaign and questions about his character on all the stations. McCain will never be questioned as a person on FOX. What did happen to that first wife? Why was he such a rebel at the Naval Academy? Why does he wear 500 dollar loafers? Why has he voted against many benefit increases for veterans? (I understand he has a better plan in mind, but go with what will pass instead of fighting everyone who disagrees with you) Maverick... I think not.<p>I do watch FOX. I need to know what the other side is up to and that is the best place to find strictly conservative coverage without being infected with leftist ideas while the other two sometimes crowd the news with bipartisan coverage.
Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (JoeLvo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LOL, yeah, take a screen cap and call it indicative of 24 hour news coverage. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The fact that they think that is appropriate in the slightest tells you all you need to know... it is indicative of their point of view. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fox is, by far, the most reliable news source this country has to offer. They always offer differing viewpoints whereas other "news" channels do not. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep - they offer your basic right wing spin viewpoint, the hardcore Christian right wing spin, the hardcore racist right wing spin... they sure do offer differing viewpoints.<p>The fact that you even consider Fox to be a news source is a joke. If you can't see their bias, you have no business talking about anyone else's bias!<p>Even the looniest of right wingers here to date have admitted Fox is biased so you may even be loonier than your brethren here!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Of course, none of this matters to the already radicalized people who write books about Fox without ever watching Fox, condemn them on forums, again, without ever being exposed to the channel, etc...<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>For the record, I listen to talk radio for at least an hour a day, often more. I listen to NPR, BBC World Service and I do sometimes listen to Fox News. It's interesting to listen to and pick up the spin and messaging - it's very well done most of the time and good for a laugh.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If it's conservative, it's bad - right folks? LOL </TD></TR></TABLE><p>No - conservative is fine. Blatant lies told in the course of progressing an agenda and selling that as 'news' is not. Fox isn't guilty of being conservative - it's guilty of misrepresentation, of employing known liars to present their spin, of presenting opinion as fact. Those are all bad things.<p>UKMatt
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LOL, yeah, take a screen cap and call it indicative of 24 hour news coverage. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The fact that they think that is appropriate in the slightest tells you all you need to know... it is indicative of their point of view. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fox is, by far, the most reliable news source this country has to offer. They always offer differing viewpoints whereas other "news" channels do not. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep - they offer your basic right wing spin viewpoint, the hardcore Christian right wing spin, the hardcore racist right wing spin... they sure do offer differing viewpoints.<p>The fact that you even consider Fox to be a news source is a joke. If you can't see their bias, you have no business talking about anyone else's bias!<p>Even the looniest of right wingers here to date have admitted Fox is biased so you may even be loonier than your brethren here!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Of course, none of this matters to the already radicalized people who write books about Fox without ever watching Fox, condemn them on forums, again, without ever being exposed to the channel, etc...<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>For the record, I listen to talk radio for at least an hour a day, often more. I listen to NPR, BBC World Service and I do sometimes listen to Fox News. It's interesting to listen to and pick up the spin and messaging - it's very well done most of the time and good for a laugh.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If it's conservative, it's bad - right folks? LOL </TD></TR></TABLE><p>No - conservative is fine. Blatant lies told in the course of progressing an agenda and selling that as 'news' is not. Fox isn't guilty of being conservative - it's guilty of misrepresentation, of employing known liars to present their spin, of presenting opinion as fact. Those are all bad things.<p>UKMatt
Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (pOrk)
Obama's personal life (that has no bearing on who he is as a person and as a candidate) is never attacked on Fox, not that I have seen. The last time something like that happened on Fox it was over Edwards $500 haircut. What does McCain's loafers have to do with anything? I personally know people who spend $300 on shoes because they have foot problems. <p>McCain is a known quantity, his character has been displayed over the past 30 years of his life as a public servant. Obama however, is a new guy, with lots of questionable associations, and NEVER gets asked about them. Save the "Obama receieves criticism on his campaign and questions about his character on all the stations"... What about Rezko and Ayers? Who's asking those questions? Riiight, we only care how many houses McCain has.<p>I've seen both Hannity and O'Reilly give it to McCain good, as I've seen them do to Obama. Further, Fox routinely employs members of the left on ALL of their shows, they are always given an opportunity to speak, and they return willingly because of that. Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter know the scourne of O'Reilly for things they have said and done which go against good conscience. But I guess my eyes and ears are not valid, as they belong to a proud non-liberal.<p>
Obama's personal life (that has no bearing on who he is as a person and as a candidate) is never attacked on Fox, not that I have seen. The last time something like that happened on Fox it was over Edwards $500 haircut. What does McCain's loafers have to do with anything? I personally know people who spend $300 on shoes because they have foot problems. <p>McCain is a known quantity, his character has been displayed over the past 30 years of his life as a public servant. Obama however, is a new guy, with lots of questionable associations, and NEVER gets asked about them. Save the "Obama receieves criticism on his campaign and questions about his character on all the stations"... What about Rezko and Ayers? Who's asking those questions? Riiight, we only care how many houses McCain has.<p>I've seen both Hannity and O'Reilly give it to McCain good, as I've seen them do to Obama. Further, Fox routinely employs members of the left on ALL of their shows, they are always given an opportunity to speak, and they return willingly because of that. Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter know the scourne of O'Reilly for things they have said and done which go against good conscience. But I guess my eyes and ears are not valid, as they belong to a proud non-liberal.<p>
Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (ukmatt)
Matt,<p>No they're not. You're just spouting the same baseless garbagio most of your ilk spouts, that's all. NPR? No, no agenda there. BBC? Same, totally unbiased. LOL<p>Fox has by far, the most even-handed news coverage - although their editorial programs are definitely conservative based. There is a difference. There is also a reason why it is by far the most popular news channel in the country. Most Americans see both sides of the story when they watch Fox. Some Americans though, block out one side or the other and claim bias. On Fox, it is much less about right vs. left as it is about conservative vs. liberal/secular progressive. Fox represents middle American values, and that's why it is as popular as it is.
Matt,<p>No they're not. You're just spouting the same baseless garbagio most of your ilk spouts, that's all. NPR? No, no agenda there. BBC? Same, totally unbiased. LOL<p>Fox has by far, the most even-handed news coverage - although their editorial programs are definitely conservative based. There is a difference. There is also a reason why it is by far the most popular news channel in the country. Most Americans see both sides of the story when they watch Fox. Some Americans though, block out one side or the other and claim bias. On Fox, it is much less about right vs. left as it is about conservative vs. liberal/secular progressive. Fox represents middle American values, and that's why it is as popular as it is.
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Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (JoeLvo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Matt,<p>No they're not. You're just spouting the same baseless garbagio most of your ilk spouts, that's all. <B>NPR?</B> No, no agenda there. BBC? Same, totally unbiased. LOL<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Where have you been the last 7 years? Bush appointees have totally screwed up(straightened out) NPR. Heck, at least 3-4 NPR hacks are regulars on Fox. Juan Williams is the only one that comes immediately to mind, but there are others.<p>Get your head out of "the spin freely zone" and listen to other media sources once in a while. You might hear something that can actually challenge your self and your biases.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Matt,<p>No they're not. You're just spouting the same baseless garbagio most of your ilk spouts, that's all. <B>NPR?</B> No, no agenda there. BBC? Same, totally unbiased. LOL<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Where have you been the last 7 years? Bush appointees have totally screwed up(straightened out) NPR. Heck, at least 3-4 NPR hacks are regulars on Fox. Juan Williams is the only one that comes immediately to mind, but there are others.<p>Get your head out of "the spin freely zone" and listen to other media sources once in a while. You might hear something that can actually challenge your self and your biases.
Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (JoeLvo)
Oh, and FTR, that screencap was most likely taken while Brian Kilmeade explained his gaffe when he called Obama Osama accidentally. He couldn't get his tongue around the name and juggled it twice. <p>He's probably being accused of <b>conspiring</b> to connect Obama and Bin Laden, and that is why you see what you see on that screencap. But let's not get into details folks, it's much easier to just believe whatever you read on teh interwebs.<p>Matt, I see why you abd yours believe what you believe about Fox news, they should be forced to put disclaimers on everything they produce: "Warning, this may be used by left-wing nut-jobs in a context it was not created for, to make funny motivational posters"
Oh, and FTR, that screencap was most likely taken while Brian Kilmeade explained his gaffe when he called Obama Osama accidentally. He couldn't get his tongue around the name and juggled it twice. <p>He's probably being accused of <b>conspiring</b> to connect Obama and Bin Laden, and that is why you see what you see on that screencap. But let's not get into details folks, it's much easier to just believe whatever you read on teh interwebs.<p>Matt, I see why you abd yours believe what you believe about Fox news, they should be forced to put disclaimers on everything they produce: "Warning, this may be used by left-wing nut-jobs in a context it was not created for, to make funny motivational posters"
Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (BarentsBlueV50)
I watch any and every news channel. I am actually unbiased, unlike many of you here. I make up my mind, issue by issue, and not from the platform of either party. <br>Just because my decision on several issues falls on the conservative side of the fence, you can't call me biased. I arrived at that decision after much review.<p>Oh, nevermind, I forgot I'm on Swedespeed OTF. I lean conservative, therefore I am crazy, evil, uninformed, biased and umm... let's throw something else on the fire... ummm oh YEAH! I'm a war-monger.<p>Get a grip...<br>
I watch any and every news channel. I am actually unbiased, unlike many of you here. I make up my mind, issue by issue, and not from the platform of either party. <br>Just because my decision on several issues falls on the conservative side of the fence, you can't call me biased. I arrived at that decision after much review.<p>Oh, nevermind, I forgot I'm on Swedespeed OTF. I lean conservative, therefore I am crazy, evil, uninformed, biased and umm... let's throw something else on the fire... ummm oh YEAH! I'm a war-monger.<p>Get a grip...<br>
Fox is in no way "conservative" (by any traditional definition). Fox favors changing the status quo DRAMATICALLY, devolving the USA from a strong government form to a weak government form - essentially Fascism. People who favor Fascism are not "coinservatives," but are radicals and should be hanged. <p>This whole "left"/"right" rhetoric is just a distraction. The "liberals" in the USA are not "leftists" by any normal definition. Oh, maybe 1% of them are, but the vast majority support the status quo. They all have 401Ks. They aren't exactly Che Guevara despite what people like JoelVo want you to believe.<p>The Fox News supporters, however, ARE actually Fascists, which is apparent day after day, in the positions they take. No government; no social welfare; massive corporate welfare; increased spending on military and prisons.<br>Yeah, that's a support for the status quo....sure it is.<br>
Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (JoeLvo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I watch any and every news channel. I am actually unbiased, unlike many of you here. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sure, you are totally unbiased <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Just because my decision on several issues falls on the conservative side of the fence, you can't call me biased. I arrived at that decision after much review.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep - you review Hannity's position, and O'Reilly's position and Coulter's position and Cavuto's position... and then you make your informed decision. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>After saying that Fox News is the best source of news available you really haven't got the credibility to be making any assessments of how biased other news organizations are. There is certainly bias out there but if you can't see Fox's bias <i> 24 hours a day</i> then you are not a good judge of it.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I lean conservative, therefore I am crazy, evil, uninformed, biased and umm... let's throw something else on the fire... ummm oh YEAH! I'm a war-monger.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>You might be crazy if you think Fox is unbiased... you are certainly uninformed if Fox is your primary source of news... same goes for bias.<p>I don't know about the warmonger bit though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>UKMatt<p>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I watch any and every news channel. I am actually unbiased, unlike many of you here. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sure, you are totally unbiased <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Just because my decision on several issues falls on the conservative side of the fence, you can't call me biased. I arrived at that decision after much review.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep - you review Hannity's position, and O'Reilly's position and Coulter's position and Cavuto's position... and then you make your informed decision. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>After saying that Fox News is the best source of news available you really haven't got the credibility to be making any assessments of how biased other news organizations are. There is certainly bias out there but if you can't see Fox's bias <i> 24 hours a day</i> then you are not a good judge of it.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I lean conservative, therefore I am crazy, evil, uninformed, biased and umm... let's throw something else on the fire... ummm oh YEAH! I'm a war-monger.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>You might be crazy if you think Fox is unbiased... you are certainly uninformed if Fox is your primary source of news... same goes for bias.<p>I don't know about the warmonger bit though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>UKMatt<p>
Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (JoeLvo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I watch any and every news channel. I am actually unbiased, unlike many of you here. I make up my mind, issue by issue, and not from the platform of either party. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL<p>That's a good one. Keep em coming. I want them for my BLOG. LOL<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I <br>Just because my decision on several issues falls on the conservative side of the fence, you can't call me biased. I arrived at that decision after much review.<p>Oh, nevermind, I forgot I'm on Swedespeed OTF. I lean conservative, therefore I am crazy, evil, uninformed, biased and umm... let's throw something else on the fire... ummm oh YEAH! I'm a war-monger.<p>Get a grip...<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL, no, you are "crazy, evil, uninformed and biased" because of the words that you type here, not because you "lean conservative" - I'm probably more conservative than you. I love this country. YOU'RE the one who wants to make it more like some flea-bitten third world banana republic, where government has no ability to control business activities that are harmful to the people who live here. YOU are the crazy revolutionary. I'm the guy with the flag on my front porch, having a BBQ, going to school board meetings to make sure our local schools are good. I'm the one donating to the Sheriff's Department picnic. I'm the one holding meetings at MY house to help the local Fire Department inform neighbors about fire safety and defensible space. You're home watching Fox News, shaking your fist at the boob tube, and filling your cellar with provisions.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I watch any and every news channel. I am actually unbiased, unlike many of you here. I make up my mind, issue by issue, and not from the platform of either party. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL<p>That's a good one. Keep em coming. I want them for my BLOG. LOL<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I <br>Just because my decision on several issues falls on the conservative side of the fence, you can't call me biased. I arrived at that decision after much review.<p>Oh, nevermind, I forgot I'm on Swedespeed OTF. I lean conservative, therefore I am crazy, evil, uninformed, biased and umm... let's throw something else on the fire... ummm oh YEAH! I'm a war-monger.<p>Get a grip...<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL, no, you are "crazy, evil, uninformed and biased" because of the words that you type here, not because you "lean conservative" - I'm probably more conservative than you. I love this country. YOU'RE the one who wants to make it more like some flea-bitten third world banana republic, where government has no ability to control business activities that are harmful to the people who live here. YOU are the crazy revolutionary. I'm the guy with the flag on my front porch, having a BBQ, going to school board meetings to make sure our local schools are good. I'm the one donating to the Sheriff's Department picnic. I'm the one holding meetings at MY house to help the local Fire Department inform neighbors about fire safety and defensible space. You're home watching Fox News, shaking your fist at the boob tube, and filling your cellar with provisions.
Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (JoeLvo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I make up my mind, issue by issue, and not from the platform of either party. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>This may be true.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am actually unbiased, unlike many of you here. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>This is untrue. It is the man that does not embrace and accept and acknowledge his biases that is often/always the MOST biased. EVERYONE has biases, that is how we as humans make decisions and perceive the world.<p>I am a very middle of the road guy, I lean both ways on a multitude of issues. Please do not claim you lean conservative, you are extremely NEO-conservative.<p>You also are (at least it seems), historically, under informed in your posting. You are very well informed about one side but not the other.<p>I have taken some conservative stances on this board and have never been made to feel crazy or evil. Why? Because I use FACTS (universal facts, not conjecture or assumptions) to back them up. This is why I have attacked your points before, because they were not factually based. Then when attacked it seemed that you would switch to a straw man. Stay on topic, ask the questions that are asked, and admit when you can't and it won't feel like you are being attacked so much.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I make up my mind, issue by issue, and not from the platform of either party. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>This may be true.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am actually unbiased, unlike many of you here. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>This is untrue. It is the man that does not embrace and accept and acknowledge his biases that is often/always the MOST biased. EVERYONE has biases, that is how we as humans make decisions and perceive the world.<p>I am a very middle of the road guy, I lean both ways on a multitude of issues. Please do not claim you lean conservative, you are extremely NEO-conservative.<p>You also are (at least it seems), historically, under informed in your posting. You are very well informed about one side but not the other.<p>I have taken some conservative stances on this board and have never been made to feel crazy or evil. Why? Because I use FACTS (universal facts, not conjecture or assumptions) to back them up. This is why I have attacked your points before, because they were not factually based. Then when attacked it seemed that you would switch to a straw man. Stay on topic, ask the questions that are asked, and admit when you can't and it won't feel like you are being attacked so much.
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Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (JoeLvo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I watch any and every news channel. I am actually unbiased, unlike many of you here. I make up my mind, issue by issue, and not from the platform of either party. <br>Just because my decision on several issues falls on the conservative side of the fence, you can't call me biased. I arrived at that decision after much review.<p>Get a grip...<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good for you that you inform yourself from a variety of news sources.<p>You need to get a grip. Just because you make a well informed decision does not mean that the decision is un biased. No one is unbiased. Not me. Not you. And certainly not O'Reilly or Olberman.<p>You are not wrong in this discussion because you are conservative. Conservatism had some good ideas, like a lean efficient government. But the conservatives in DC did not come close to living up to that ideal; in the last seven years conservatives have rung up record deficits and record spending. Conservatism also has ideals that I find repugnant and in direct conflict with the Bill of Rights and the Ideals this country was founded upon.<p>You are wrong in this discussion because you are exhibiting the exact same behavior for which you criticize the liberals on this board: intolerance.<p>Get a grip, realize that everyone has their biases and don't be intolerant of other ideologies.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I watch any and every news channel. I am actually unbiased, unlike many of you here. I make up my mind, issue by issue, and not from the platform of either party. <br>Just because my decision on several issues falls on the conservative side of the fence, you can't call me biased. I arrived at that decision after much review.<p>Get a grip...<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good for you that you inform yourself from a variety of news sources.<p>You need to get a grip. Just because you make a well informed decision does not mean that the decision is un biased. No one is unbiased. Not me. Not you. And certainly not O'Reilly or Olberman.<p>You are not wrong in this discussion because you are conservative. Conservatism had some good ideas, like a lean efficient government. But the conservatives in DC did not come close to living up to that ideal; in the last seven years conservatives have rung up record deficits and record spending. Conservatism also has ideals that I find repugnant and in direct conflict with the Bill of Rights and the Ideals this country was founded upon.<p>You are wrong in this discussion because you are exhibiting the exact same behavior for which you criticize the liberals on this board: intolerance.<p>Get a grip, realize that everyone has their biases and don't be intolerant of other ideologies.
Re: Obama/ Biden Osama BIn BiDEN (BarentsBlueV50)
Wait, so I'm being intolerant of screencaps being taken out of context and having captions added that imply a vast right-wing conspiracy? Oh, my bad.<p>You are correct in saying we all have biases. I do as well, but what I was trying to get across is that just because I tend to gravitate to more conservative ideals, that doesn't mean I can't see spin for what it is. Remember, for every "biased" cable news or talk radio program, there are 100 local newspapers and local news programs, the vast majority of which lean way over to the left.<p>The term biased was used in previous posts to indicate that I have to be biased to not think Fox news is a bad news outlet. In other words, if you deviate from the general consensus of the left, you are biased.
Wait, so I'm being intolerant of screencaps being taken out of context and having captions added that imply a vast right-wing conspiracy? Oh, my bad.<p>You are correct in saying we all have biases. I do as well, but what I was trying to get across is that just because I tend to gravitate to more conservative ideals, that doesn't mean I can't see spin for what it is. Remember, for every "biased" cable news or talk radio program, there are 100 local newspapers and local news programs, the vast majority of which lean way over to the left.<p>The term biased was used in previous posts to indicate that I have to be biased to not think Fox news is a bad news outlet. In other words, if you deviate from the general consensus of the left, you are biased.
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