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Hey all,<p>I'm new to this forum, although I've been doing automotive internet forums forever (or so it seems. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">) We live near Temecula, CA, which is about 30 miles north of San Diego.<p>As the forum name implies, I'm looking into an XC90 for my wife. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> She is due September 2nd with our first, and as an expectant daddy for the first time I want my 2 most prized possessions to be as safe as possible. I would like to buy one this weekend (7/14-7/16), but am waiting for that perfect vehicle. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>I've done a ridiculous amount of research on used luxury vehicles and have narrowed it down to an MDX, an RX300, or my personal choice, an XC90. (I'm looking at used because I want to buy one outright and not have a payment.) I'm leaning towards an XC90 for the obvious reasons; safety, reliability, excellent resale value, etc. However, I'm struggling to find decent ones in our area with the options I want. This leads me to a couple of questions:<p>1. Is the 2.5t really a much better choice than the T6? I don't mean to open up a can of worms on this thread, but used T6's are plentiful and I've been ignoring them because of reports I've read that the engine/tranny combo isn't nearly as well suited to the XC90 as the 5 banger is. I would love to be convinced otherwise. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>2. I found a 2004 FWD 2.5t for sale that provides this picture:<IMG SRC="http://images.autotrader.com/images/2006/7/13/205/429/708051260.205429751.IM1.09.565x421_A.562x421.jpg" BORDER="0"> The dealer swears it doesn't have a 3rd row seat, and that Volvo left it that way so that people can buy seats on eBay and install them. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> I haven't decided yet to drive down there and look at it, but am I correct that the only reason why Volvo would put rear audio controls and seatbelts in the rear is because it has 3rd row seats? I'm thinking that either I should run, run away from this knucklehead (assuming I'm not wrong, hehe) or snap it up before he realizes he is wrong. I'm interested in opinions of XC90 gurus out there. FWIW, I have a carfax for the vehicle and it comes out as well as a carfax can.<p>Ok, I'll stop for now. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> I appreciate any and all input you all have for me, and look forward to your responses. <p>Thanks,<p>Tim
 

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Re: Newb introduction and a couple of questions (Her_XC90)

I had a 2004 XC90 2.5 FWD and loved it. I purchased it over the T6 due to the 5-speed tranny and good maintenance record of the 5 cylinder(I later purchased a 2006 V8 because I wanted more power).<br>The picture is from a 7 seater. The rear a/c vents, a/c controls and rear seat belts confirm this.<br>I recommend the XC90 and welcome to the Volvo World! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Newb introduction and a couple of questions (Her_XC90)

That is a strange bird, it has the belts and 7-seater rear hardware, but it also has the cargo cover that only comes in the 5-seater. It even has the rear a/c.<p>You really can't add the third seat, it is a lot more than just seats. I would at least take a look-see under that cargo mat, you never know. The seats fold completely out of sight. That 2-piece mat is for the 7-seater btw, there's a one-piece for the 5-seater.<p>FWIW, I agree with you on the 2.5T vs T6 question. The T6 has a little more highway zip, but the 2.5T is a much better balanced vehicle with the better drivetrain. We're completely satisfied with our 7-seater.<p>Tom.
 

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Re: Newb introduction and a couple of questions (tmtalpey)

The cargo cover was available in both the 5 and 7 seaters (some 2005's were deleted to save money) and both of my XC90's(7 seaters) have the cover. <br>You are right about the cargo mat being from a 7 seater.<br>Yes, look under mat for a 3rd row seat surprise!
 

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<p>There is a reason there are so many 6-cyls for sale.<p>Get that 7 seater for the 5 seater price!! Run the VIN at the dealer to check for service records.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>calridng</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is a reason there are so many 6-cyls for sale.<p>Get that 7 seater for the 5 seater price!! Run the VIN at the dealer to check for service records.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I second all comments. Avoid the 6-banger like the plague. The tranny sucks. FWIW I purchased a cargo cover and two-piece rear mats for our (seven seater) V8. You've got two seats lurking under the rear area for sure.<p>go for it !!<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Newb introduction and a couple of questions (Her_XC90)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Her_XC90</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2. I found a 2004 FWD 2.5t for sale that provides this picture:<IMG SRC="http://images.autotrader.com/images/2006/7/13/205/429/708051260.205429751.IM1.09.565x421_A.562x421.jpg" BORDER="0"> The dealer swears it doesn't have a 3rd row seat, and that Volvo left it that way so that people can buy seats on eBay and install them. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> I haven't decided yet to drive down there and look at it, but am I correct that the only reason why Volvo would put rear audio controls and seatbelts in the rear is because it has 3rd row seats? I'm thinking that either I should run, run away from this knucklehead (assuming I'm not wrong, hehe) or snap it up before he realizes he is wrong. I'm interested in opinions of XC90 gurus out there. FWIW, I have a carfax for the vehicle and it comes out as well as a carfax can.<p>Ok, I'll stop for now. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> I appreciate any and all input you all have for me, and look forward to your responses. <p>Thanks,<p>Tim</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Tim,<p>tell that dealer that he is a m0ron. This car is a 7-seater. You cannot add the 3rd row seats later. Telltale sign (that it has the Versatility package) are the seatbelts and the cup holder on each side. The 5-seater does not have all that. Another sign is that the cargo floor mat is a split one. If t were a five-seater, it would have been one piece.<p>You want to buy a car from that dealer? By the way, be careful with the FWD. Resale value of this car will not be great.<p>Yannis
 

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Re: Newb introduction and a couple of questions (Her_XC90)

We are very happy with our T6 and haven't had any problems with the engine/tranny combo. We drove both and found that we preferred the T6 engine primarily because it runs a little smoother than the 5 (prolly not a huge deal, but we could tell a difference when we drove them head to head). We also wanted the additional power of the T6 (V8 wasn't an option at the time).<br>
 

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We're very happy with our V8, you should be able to find a used one since they've been out for a little while now. As Yannis said, FWD is not as sought after as AWD, but if you don't drive in adverse conditions and plan on holding on to the car for a while, it may not be an issue.<p>Statistically speaking, the T6 has had more problems than the other engine/tranny combos available. If the CARFAX is clean and you can run the VIN at a different dealer and it shows no problems, I'd take the car for a test drive (preferably without the dealer in attendance) and verify that the seats are there plus see if you like the 2.5 power profile. Some do, some don't. For us, the V8 was the best option.
 

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Re: Newb introduction and a couple of questions (1v8volvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>1v8volvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The cargo cover was available in both the 5 and 7 seaters (some 2005's were deleted to save money) and both of my XC90's(7 seaters) have the cover. <br>You are right about the cargo mat being from a 7 seater.<br>Yes, look under mat for a 3rd row seat surprise!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Our 04 7-seater came without the cover. We asked about it, having seen it in a 5-seater on the lot and the salesman said he had a room full of them from people who didn't want them even on the 5-seaters, and gave us one. We took it, but it turns out he was right - my wife hates it and leaves it in the barn. Anyway, I was told it wasn't included because you can't use the rear seats - it blocks the entry. And, there's no place to stow it because it's the width of the car. I'm surprised it's on the newer ones.<p>To the OP - when you find those seats, be sure the salesguy doesn't see you. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> This isn't a Volvo dealer, right?<p>Tom.
 

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Re: Newb introduction and a couple of questions (Her_XC90)

Tim,<br>Suggest to take your time and shop. There are enough xc90's in the lots around town so you can pick one. My primary dealer is Kearny Mesa and Escondido (near home).<p>If you have the funds to buy a used one, might as well go for the V8 and finance the remainder... best combo for the tranny, fuel and power, IMO. And if you work downtown, we can carpool. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Cheers.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by lazzerj at 8:10 AM 7-14-2006</i>
 

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Hey everyone,<p>Thanks for your terrific responses. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> I could tell this was going to be a good forum. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I was 99% sure there were rear seats under there. However, he was just a newb answering the phone and might not have checked it out as thoroughly as he should have. It is definitely priced aggressively for a 7 seater though, so I would guess it didn't make the option list when they were pricing it. Because the seats fold flat, it would be easy to miss it if you didn't know what to look for, IMO. <p>This dealer does a lot of high end sedans and coupes, and doesn't seem to have a lot of experience with SUV's. This is a completely indoor showroom with lots of premium vehicles, and I feel confident that they are an above-board dealership, albeit a bit ignorant when it comes to SUVs. This works in my favor, I do believe. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I should say that we have driven 2 different 2.5t/AWD combos already, so we have a good idea what to expect. I personally like the 5 speed tranny's smoothness and like that it doesn't fall off the power between shifts like most 4 speed trannies do. If she needs more power I can always chip it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"><p>I am a bit sketchy on buying from this dealership, but I am also trying to stay within a budget. As I said, I <i>will</i> wait until we find the right vehicle. It may be that we end up buying from a private party to get the best combo of price and mileage, etc. I might even have to find her a T6 to drive...there certainly are plenty to choose from. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Thanks to all of you. Keep those T6 opinions coming! <p>Tim<p><br>edit: As far as FWD goes, I'm fine with the value being lower. It means we can get more bang for the buck, since we don't see a lot of inclement weather here in SoCal. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> If we head for the mountains we will be taking my truck, a 4x4 F150. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Her_XC90 at 9:17 AM 7-14-2006</i>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Her_XC90</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey everyone,<p>Thanks for your terrific responses. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> I could tell this was going to be a good forum. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I was 99% sure there were rear seats under there. However, he was just a newb answering the phone and might not have checked it out as thoroughly as he should have. It is definitely priced aggressively for a 7 seater though, so I would guess it didn't make the option list when they were pricing it. Because the seats fold flat, it would be easy to miss it if you didn't know what to look for, IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Still, you'd think the fact that there's rear seat controls, cup holders, and seatbelts, they would at least be curious and start checking it out.<br>I'd be leary as to what else relative to an XC they might miss due to ignorance.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>safetyfirst</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Avoid the 6-banger like the plague. The tranny sucks.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I could not disagree more with the above statement.<p>I love my T6 and would not even consider trading it for a 2.5T (a V8... we could talk <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ). The engine and transmission on the T6 don't sound as overstressed as they do on the 2.5T. At 80 mph, the T6 stays at a comfortable 2000-2500 rpms. Try that with a 2.5T.<p>There are only two criticisms that could be made of the T6:<br>- that it is thirstier than the 2.5T (but about the same as the V8),<br>- the 1-2 shift flare (which is very easy to learn to avoid it).<p>By all means, try a T6.
 

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Re: Newb introduction and a couple of questions (GrecianVolvo)

Yannis, unfortunately many dealers have "know nothing" salesmen roaming the showroom and the lots. I had an experience in the past several months at a Volvo dealer where I ended up explaining many of the '07 upcoming features (and some basic things that were not '07 specfic) to a salesman that had been there for 6 years. <p>He was shocked at how I knew what I did. I told him he could get a lot of info at the Volvo website and also forums. For the life of me I don't understand why someone who works at a dealership isn't a daily lurker (if not active participant) in forums such as these.<p>Yannis, herein lies the reason I was wondering where you'd be in SD....
 

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Re: Newb introduction and a couple of questions (Her_XC90)

Welcome aboard...I bought my wife her XC-90 as a quasi surprise (She loved it, but had no idea I bought it!) as we prepared for our first child. My comments:<p>The 2.5T scoots off the line and has plenty on the highway. Sure the T6s I've driven really scream on the highway, they seem a bit sluggish off the line.<p>My wife HATES trucks. However, the XC-90 has won her heart and she loves hers.<p>I participated in the Drive for Life program through Volvo. They let you take the truck through several paces on a test track. I was able to drive the truck harder and better than most cars I drive. I'd never practice evasive skills in the in-law's MDX, it feels WAY too tippy to me...<p>My thing: Safety. The Volvo feels more solid than the MDX and if you look around the Volvo website, you'll see a factory demo where they roll the truck like dice (die) and it flips over and over about seven times. When it stops, all of the glass appears intact and the passenger compartment looks solid.<p>Sure the MDX has Honda's fine engineering fingerprints all over it and I wish the Volvo was as bullet proof. However, the XC-90 feels more sure-footed, more solid, and the seats are quite comfortable on the long hauls...The MDX seats don't come close.<p>All of the above offered with large amounts of IMHO...Cheers...Mr. Kotter
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ig_mb</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I could not disagree more with the above statement.<p>I love my T6 and would not even consider trading it for a 2.5T (a V8... we could talk <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ). The engine and transmission on the T6 don't sound as overstressed as they do on the 2.5T. At 80 mph, the T6 stays at a comfortable 2000-2500 rpms. Try that with a 2.5T.<p>There are only two criticisms that could be made of the T6:<br>- that it is thirstier than the 2.5T (but about the same as the V8),<br>- the 1-2 shift flare (which is very easy to learn to avoid it).<p>By all means, try a T6.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>My sister in law has a 2004 2.5T AWD. When I first drove it, it was fairly peppy. Having put more miles on it, it doesn't seem underpowered, although it can get a bit racous on the higway at 80. <p>Last fall, we decided that since we were planning for a family, we'd sell my wife's S40 and get something bigger. It came down to an XC90 (either 2.5T or a I6, the V8's were still too much $$) or a V70R. All CPO. <p>I shopped around a while, and my local dealer finally got in an XC90 T6 CPO for me to drive. I drove it.<p>I was completely underwhelmed. I drove it on a rolling back road loop, and the transmission hunted between 3rd and 4th gear like no tomorrow. There was no more appreciable punch than in the 2.5T (throttle trick?). Having driven up in my Nissan Crapfinder (uh Pathfinder) I expected more and was very dissapointed. V70R it was. <p>I realize that this does not constitute owning and living with a T6, and I'm sure it's not a bad combination, but I expected more of a jump over the 2.5T. <p>I'm scoutin' for CPO XC90 V8's to replace my Pathfinder! If anyone has a good one they want to get rid of in about 12 months, let me know!
 

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Re: Newb introduction and a couple of questions (Mr. Kotter)

The MDX is probably my least favorite Mid-Size SUV. Ok, if the Blazer counts throw it up there, but I was terribly shocked when I sat in the MDX. The seats are terrilbly flat, the non-nav screen is cartoonishly large and way too bright, while the rig definitely feels under-powered, and the rear a/c controls are ripped straight out of an Explorer. Why would an Acura be like that? Comparing the XC90 to an MDX isn't even fair. Maybe to the Seqoiua. That is a surprisingly decent SUV, but the MDX is awful.
 
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