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Hello, my first post here. Would love to get your opinion on our next purchase choice. <p>we just got a new baby and both of us have to joggle between work and transport baby so have to let my husband's Z3 go. Safety is our top priority. We narrowed down to Volvo V70 and Benz E320 wagon. <p>For the same price, around $27k, we can get a new 2006 V70 2.4 with premium package only, or get a 2003 E320 wagon with about 40K on it, package varies. Or around same figure I can get a 2005 Benz C240 with 17k. <p>I've been reading this forum and benz forums for a while. Seems they are all good cars and I believe they are all very safe. For the same money, the two benz come with many more standard little convenience features here or there, like auto-dim mirror, cargo area protector, auto-window up/down when car is turned off, etc etc, etc. <p>I know this is volvo forum so you may all choose V70. Is there any good reasaon to go with 2003 E320 I should consider? <p>Thanks a lot! <p>a new mom<p>
 

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Sounds like a question for our resident expert who sells Benz's as well as Volvo's....JRL will surely chime in.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MadeInJapan</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds like a question for our resident expert who sells Benz's as well as Volvo's....JRL will surely chime in. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thank you for the...hand-off, assuming you are referring to me although I am not under the Mercedes star, just yet (3 more weeks! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> ).<p>In all honesty, you are looking at three NICE but different cars. I do believe that you can get (if you can find one) a <b><i>2005</i></b> V70 <b>2.5T</b>, not go for a 2006 V70 2.4. Even if the 2.5T is slightly used, it will have an awesome engine, get as good gas mileage (if not better than) as the 2006 V70 2.4 plus you will have more power and a few extra standard features. On top of that, any 2005 Volvo gets Free Scheduled Maintenance for 3 years or 30,000 miles!<p>If you plan on having a second child within the next 3 years or so, I would stay away from the C240. It is a very cute and very sporty wagon but I think you will outgrow it quickly. If you are staying with one child then it will be OK alhough one stroller plus the rest of the baby's stuff in its small trunk will not leave you roo much room for other cargo.<p>The E320 is a cool-looking car, very roomy and (I am not 100% sure on this) has slightly bigger trunk than the V70. Naturally, the 320 will be much more powerful than the V70 2.4 but if you follow my advice and look into a V70 2.5T, then the tables are turned and the field is level, there. I do not believe the E320's seats are as comfortable as those in the V70 but that is something for you to decide. Last, the fact that the Mercedes will have 40,000 miles could be a factor in your decision (maybe not! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> ). I do LOVE the looks of the E320 wagon!<p>Volvo is tough to beat in the wagon segment; it is one area where they excel and their wagons are tried and proven. If you were comparing an S80 vs. an E320 sedan, then I would lean toward the Benz.<p>In this case, I am recommending the V70 but I could be biased for two reasons:<p>1. I own one<br>2. I know the car inside and out whereas I knwo the C240 and E320 wagons well but not as thoroughly.<p>Hence, my vote, for the wagon goes to the V70 2.5T. If you are comparing a V70 2.4 vs. the E320, then that is a VERY TOUGH call. But if you are comparing ANY V70 vs. the C240, then it seems (to me) an easy call.<p>Good luck!<p>Yannis
 

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I agree. <br><B>Go for a 2.5 T<U> not</U> a 2.4 na</B>. More equipment, MUCH better engine and you should be able to find one at or around that price.
 

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I agree with the 2.5t over the 2.4... When we test drove the '04s the 2.4 engine was just sort of a "standard engine"... while the 2.5t has some real pickup to it and can really accelerate.<p>Another thing to consider in a V70 for longer ownership are the built in booster seats and the 3rd row options... if you can find one with those... I really liked the 3rd row seat although our child won't hit the weight limits for awhile... I figured for potential car pooling and birthday parties it was nice to have that option without driving a minivan or SUV. <p>Also if you are considering a 2nd child with any of the cars on your list, look at the width of the 2nd row if you will need to carry 2 car seats plus a 3rd adult at any time... some of the smaller wagons may not be able to carry 2 car seats & 1 adult in that row. My brother had to trade up his BMW 3 series wagon for that reason (after only owning it for a short time)... The V70 has a pretty decent sized rear seat and can handle 2 car seats & 1 person. <p>The V70 has a lot of cargo room in it, but I will say that for a 1 week trip to a beach house with a 1.5 year old in tow, we filled it to the gills! I also like the split rear seat fold down capability and also the passenger seat fold down option (but we have yet to carry anything that long to need the whole car length)...<p>Needless to say we love our V70! (I could go on...)<br>Good luck with your decision.
 

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Re: New V70 or 2003 E320 wagon? (NewMom)

Thank you guys so much ! We will look into 2.5T. I personally care more about the safety and convenience features than the power but my husband certainly likes the acceleration part more. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>E320 comes with the folded 3rd row seat. V70 can install 3rd row seat later. As new parents, we cannot think about its usage at this moment. But thanks for the heads up! <p>On V70, only two outboard seats are equipped with LATCH, not the mid seat. I read in the carseat-safety forum that you should not install carseat in the mid seat using the inner LATCH from the two outboard seats. But volvo dealer told me its ok. Any of you has experience on this? <p>Another question about folding 2nd row seats. Can you still fold that 40 seat while the carseat is installed in the middle of rear seat, ie on the 60 seat? Or do I have to put carseat to the outboard position if I want to fold the 40 seat? I have Britax Boulevard for my baby. <p>TX, you mentioned that v70 is really filled up for the 1 week trip to the beachhouse with the toddler. So will you consider it necessary to upgrate v70 to a van or a large SUV when the second baby arrives? We plan to have baby #2 within 3 years...<p>Thanks a lot! People are so nice here!<p>newmom<br>
 

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To answer your questions - <p>We have a Britax Roundabout seat in the middle and attach it using the<br>seatbelt method. It works fine this way. Kudos to you for knowing that you <br>aren't supposed to use the latch anchors for putting a seat in the middle. Somewhere on these boards there was a posting relating to the physical stresses that that puts on the latch anchors...<br>(I'm guessing your Britax Boulevard is similar in size to the Roundabout, but you may want to check the dimensions.) I also like having her in the middle for crash safety reasons and it is easy to reach back and give her something while driving... <p>We can still fold down the 40 portion of the seat with the Roundabout in the middle which is very convenient. <p>When we have #2 and go on a week long trip like that we'll just have to buy food at our location instead of taking a cooler or consider a roof box if we really need it (or just pack less...) ... I don't want to move to a larger car... I really like driving something that feels more like a car than a truck or van. Then there is always the option of renting a larger car for a trip if really needed... <p>I learned a lot from these boards myself! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 

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We love our 2.5T and use it to go the the beach all of the time as well as to the in-laws about 8 hours away. During one christmas trip we got so much stuff that we couldn't put it in the wagon. Ended up buying some load bars to go on the Euro-rails and carried it on top...so there's plenty of room for expansion. On our old 850 we had the 3rd row seat but since our kid was about 10 at the time of trade, we opted for the V70 without it. No problem at all, and we don't miss it at all. The built-in booster seats are nice when we have carried our friend's smaller kids in the car to the pool with our son. Another thing you might consider....on the highway to the beach and back, we averaged 31mpg last summer. You won't get that in an SUV or mini-van. My vote is also for the 2.5T V70!
 

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Re: New V70 or 2003 E320 wagon? (NewMom)

Rear wheel drive on the Benz vs. Front wheel drive on the Volvo. Some people have a preference
 

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You can't go wrong w/ the V70. Safety and reliability wise, it's superior to the other vehicles. Volvo perfected the "estate"(wagon). The repair/maintenance cost of the Benz vs the Volvo is pretty scary. Plus w/ a new V70 you'll have a warranty to back you up vs an "as is" or cheap ext. warranty that may not cover what you need it to. The E320 is a decent car but the C class is an entry level Benz that your family will outgrow quickly. Good luck w/ you search. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>geo1</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rear wheel drive on the Benz vs. Front wheel drive on the Volvo. Some people have a preference</TD></TR></TABLE><p>She is in Santa Clara...I do not think she will have to worry about the pitfalls of RWD in bad weather... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yannis
 

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Re: New V70 or 2003 E320 wagon? (r_driver04)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>r_driver04</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can't go wrong w/ the V70. Safety and reliability wise, it's superior to the other vehicles. Volvo perfected the "estate"(wagon). The repair/maintenance cost of the Benz vs the Volvo is pretty scary. Plus w/ a new V70 you'll have a warranty to back you up vs an "as is" or cheap ext. warranty that may not cover what you need it to. The E320 is a decent car but the C class is an entry level Benz that your family will outgrow quickly. Good luck w/ you search. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am 99.9% positive that the Benz she is looking at is a Starmark Certified car with a hefty warranty.<p>Yannis
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>NewMom</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>On V70, only two outboard seats are equipped with LATCH, not the mid seat. I read in the carseat-safety forum that you should not install carseat in the mid seat using the inner LATCH from the two outboard seats. But volvo dealer told me its ok. Any of you has experience on this? <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>A few weeks ago I received an Owner's Manual Supplement dealing specifically with child restraints, and (finally) it was made clear that you cannot use LATCH in the center.<p>-randy<br>
 

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Re: New V70 or 2003 E320 wagon? (GrecianVolvo)

Yannis, you said "I am 99.9% positive that the Benz she is looking at is a Starmark Certified car with a hefty warranty."<p>Do you mean that with 27k, I should be able to get a 2003 certified e-class with hefty warranty? How come my search for the certified benz always come up with much higher price, even for the ones with relatively high milages, say 48k mil for 2003?<p>Could you please give me some examples of the listings that you mentioned?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>NewMom</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yannis, you said "I am 99.9% positive that the Benz she is looking at is a Starmark Certified car with a hefty warranty."<p>Do you mean that with 27k, I should be able to get a 2003 certified e-class with hefty warranty? How come my search for the certified benz always come up with much higher price, even for the ones with relatively high milages, say 48k mil for 2003?<p>Could you please give me some examples of the listings that you mentioned? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I can't. I am sorry. I have not started, yet, to work for Mercedes so I am not well-versed on their certified Starmark prices.<p>But I would think high $20Ks would be an acceptable price for a 3-year old car that lists in the mid $50K when new and it also has 40,000 miles. Heck, I would not buy a car with this mileage without a solid warranty; buying privately, gives you no recourse in case something goes wrong.<p>Yannis
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>r_driver04</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can't go wrong w/ the V70. Safety and reliability wise, it's superior to the other vehicles. Volvo perfected the "estate"(wagon). The repair/maintenance cost of the Benz vs the Volvo is pretty scary. Plus w/ a new V70 you'll have a warranty to back you up vs an "as is" or cheap ext. warranty that may not cover what you need it to. The E320 is a decent car but the C class is an entry level Benz that your family will outgrow quickly. Good luck w/ you search. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>One problem with the Volvo choice here, which Volvo should be incredibly embarrassed about: stability control has not been standard on the 2.5T or 2.4 until the 2007 model year. I'm pretty sure it was standard on MB during the past several years. When I was searching for a car it was pretty hard to find 2.5T's with stability control as an option, which made matters even worse. This is one of the most important safety features you can have:<p><A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/....html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/....html</A><p>So, you might want to factor this into your decision. If you can find a V70 with it, then that would be the car in terms of safety. Without it, I would be less certain.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kenschel</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>One problem with the Volvo choice here, which Volvo should be incredibly embarrassed about: stability control has not been standard on the 2.5T or 2.4 until the 2007 model year. I'm pretty sure it was standard on MB during the past several years. When I was searching for a car it was pretty hard to find 2.5T's with stability control as an option, which made matters even worse. This is one of the most important safety features you can have:<p><A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/....html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/....html</A><p>So, you might want to factor this into your decision. If you can find a V70 with it, then that would be the car in terms of safety. Without it, I would be less certain.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually stability control (STC) has been standard on Volvo vehicles for awhile. What has been an option on some models and standard on other models (S60R, V70R and XC90) is dynamic stability control (DSTC). DSTC will be standard for all Volvo models in Model Year 2007.<p>William
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>William</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually stability control (STC) has been standard on Volvo vehicles for awhile. What has been an option on some models and standard on other models (S60R, V70R and XC90) is dynamic stability control (DSTC). DSTC will be standard for all Volvo models in Model Year 2007.<p>William</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Volvo's use of the term STC ("stability and traction control") is confusing, because just about every other car maker uses the term stability control to mean a system that uses a yaw sensor to detect loss of lateral stability (e.g, the car is beginning to spin--not the tires) and selectively apply brakes to individual wheels to recover lateral stability. <B>D</B>STC is the name Volvo uses to refer to this sort of system. At <br><A HREF="http://www.safercar.gov/pages/ESC-EquippedVehicles-2006.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.safercar.gov/pages/....html</A><br>you can see that for 2006, only the XC90 has DSTC standard (the R is not listed)
 
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