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Hi all, I own a 911 turbo now. Runs great but really interested to get to know the S60R better. Like the handling, problems and what to look out for if I want to get a pre owned one. Help appreciated.
 

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Re: New to Volvo S60R, Own a 911 Turbo now (WillsnMarc)

All your answers are on here... but it'll take a lot of reading.<p>What year are you looking at? Manual or Auto gearbox?<p>
 

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Re: New to Volvo S60R, Own a 911 Turbo now (WillsnMarc)

Ditto Jim's comments and which model (993, 996, 997) of 911?<p>-Eric
 

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Re: New to Volvo S60R, Own a 911 Turbo now (WillsnMarc)

Keep an open mind as well. <B>DO NOT </B>compare it to your 911 Turbo.<p>What year is the 911 btw?
 

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Re: New to Volvo S60R, Own a 911 Turbo now (I Roll)

I have a 911 Turbo Slant nose (930S). Well I guess it is time to move on for me as I have got 2 kids and driving around in a Porsche is a little bit too sqeezy. I love the car but was thinking of changing it to the S60R. Seems like a good choice since I want to have a practical car but yet want to also have a little fun with the car. I know the driving experience can never be compared to the Porsche, but I guess it is time for me to move on. <p>This forum is a little difficult to navigate around. Too much info as compared to the Rennlist forum for porsche that I am used to. Guess the S60R is alot more complicated and more electronics as compared to the Porsche (At least the older ones). My worry is that as the S60R ages, the problems from the electronics malfunctioning might be a little too much to handle. So you S60R owners out there, that has owned the car for some time, appreciate if you can share your fair share of problems or dislikes about your car. I know it is a wonderful car, but I just want to know what I will be getting into.
 

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Re: New to Volvo S60R, Own a 911 Turbo now (WillsnMarc)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>WillsnMarc</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a 911 Turbo Slant nose (930S). Well I guess it is time to move on for me as I have got 2 kids and driving around in a Porsche is a little bit too sqeezy.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorry you have to get rid of the 930, but I think the reason you gave for getting out of the Porsche is the biggest reason that all of us own an R.<p>If you are planning on buying a new R, a lot of the gremlins have been worked out. I think for the most part the biggest complaint is the 4C (active chassis) system, which does not have many issues as far as breaking down, but just does not feel like it enough time was spent refining it. There are 3 settings, Comfort, Sport, and Advanced. Comfort is nice for highway cruising, but owners complain of the car "sidestepping" or "sidehop" when on rough roads. Sport mode gets rid of some of that and stiffens the suspension a little. This is what most owners use on a day to day basis. Some say it could be a little firmer. Advanced is plenty stiff, but almost feels too bouncy if you are not on a very smooth surface.<br>Swapping out the springs for some firmer ones have been said to help this, but it can throw a code in the 4C and it is hard finding dealers who will work on this under warranty (another big complaint for the R).<p>Other big compliants are a HUGE turning radius, and some bog on takeoff that is due more to AWD and traction control than turbo lag.<p>As far as out of warranty repair costs go, not many of us have reached that point yet. The few that are there (mostly 04s, the first year for the R in the US) seem to be ok for now. Remember, you will read A LOT of issues in this forum, but these are in the minority compared to the total number of R owners out there. There will be more people who can chime in, but from my R experience and what I read in this forum these are the biggest issues I see.<p>You will be hard pressed to find a sporty/luxury sedan that will not have high repair costs if failures happen out of warranty, so I wouldn't let that discourage you too much.<p>BTW I love my R <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: New to Volvo S60R, Own a 911 Turbo now (WillsnMarc)

Just remember, the first S60R came out in '04. So, even though the current P2 based S60 model has been around for quite a bit longer, the R is still relatively new...especially compared to a 930 era Porsche (love that body style, btw). Any long term prognosis regarding the reliability of electromechanical components will be conjecture at best.<p>There is, however, no question that there are TONS more electromechanical parts to go bad in an R than in a 930 Turbo. While overall, newer cars are (or at least, should be) more reliable, when things go wrong, the more complex parts can certainly cost more to replace. The R's 4C active chassis system is extremely complicated and most likely expensive to fix if (and when) something goes awry. Then again, whether installed in a new Porsche, Ferrari Audi, BMW, Volvo or any other car, an active chassis is expensive componentry.<p>How long do you plan on keeping the R or any new car? What other cars are you considering?<p>-Eric
 

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Re: New to Volvo S60R, Own a 911 Turbo now (I Roll)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Sorry you have to get rid of the 930, but I think the reason you gave for getting out of the Porsche is the biggest reason that all of us own an R.<p>If you are planning on buying a new R, a lot of the gremlins have been worked out. I think for the most part the biggest complaint is the 4C (active chassis) system, which does not have many issues as far as breaking down, but just does not feel like it enough time was spent refining it. There are 3 settings, Comfort, Sport, and Advanced. Comfort is nice for highway cruising, but owners complain of the car "sidestepping" or "sidehop" when on rough roads. Sport mode gets rid of some of that and stiffens the suspension a little. This is what most owners use on a day to day basis. Some say it could be a little firmer. Advanced is plenty stiff, but almost feels too bouncy if you are not on a very smooth surface.<br>Swapping out the springs for some firmer ones have been said to help this, but it can throw a code in the 4C and it is hard finding dealers who will work on this under warranty (another big complaint for the R).<p>Other big compliants are a HUGE turning radius, and some bog on takeoff that is due more to AWD and traction control than turbo lag.<p>As far as out of warranty repair costs go, not many of us have reached that point yet. The few that are there (mostly 04s, the first year for the R in the US) seem to be ok for now. Remember, you will read A LOT of issues in this forum, but these are in the minority compared to the total number of R owners out there. There will be more people who can chime in, but from my R experience and what I read in this forum these are the biggest issues I see.<p>You will be hard pressed to find a sporty/luxury sedan that will not have high repair costs if failures happen out of warranty, so I wouldn't let that discourage you too much.<p>BTW I love my R <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>This was one of the most informative posts i have read on here as i am also looking into getting the R. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: New to Volvo S60R, Own a 911 Turbo now (Token Blk Guy)

The large turning radius will be an issue in Singapore. Check with user "blot" here... Benny Lui who is also in Singapore<br>
 

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Re: New to Volvo S60R, Own a 911 Turbo now (Token Blk Guy)

Thanks! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> There are actually hundreds of really informative posts in this forum, but I undertstand that if you are new or do not check in but every once in a while that it can be difficult to find what you are looking for.
 

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Re: New to Volvo S60R, Own a 911 Turbo now (I Roll)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>If you are planning on buying a new R, a lot of the gremlins have been worked out. I think for the most part the biggest complaint is the 4C (active chassis) system, which does not have many issues as far as breaking down, but just does not feel like it enough time was spent refining it. </TD></TR></TABLE><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> I think HE would loved the original R chassis and not the dancing queen version <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>and ? I believe LATER than YM04 version had MORE problems and malfunction and not good working stuff... D'oh. New version DOESN'T mean it's improved. History WILL repeat itself.
 

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Re: New to Volvo S60R, Own a 911 Turbo now (JARMO)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JARMO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> I think HE would loved the original R chassis and not the dancing queen version <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>and ? I believe LATER than YM04 version had MORE problems and malfunction and not good working stuff... D'oh. New version DOESN'T mean it's improved. History WILL repeat itself.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So what issues do the 04s NOT suffer from that the 05-06s do?
 
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