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Hi guys,<p>The wife and I are looking at used S60's for a replacement for her ford mustang convertible. We are looking at 2002 models most likely but might consider an 01 if priced attractively. I looked for some of the answers to these questions on here but havent found them. <p>First, I typically do all my own maintenance on vehicles and was wondering if there is a service manual floating around available for the s60? <p>Second, and this is going to be kinda subjective. are there many more maintenance headaches with the all wheel drive models? Or to phrase it another way is the AWD worth it? I am definitely leaning towards front wheel drive. <p>Third, We live about 2 hours from a Volvo dealer, and while I typically avoid those places like the plague, from what I have read it seems a few trips to the dealer may be inevitable. Any idea how often we might be FORCED to go with an off warranty vehicle? <p>Fourth, it sounds like the 2001 models have been less reliable. What I am wondering is, does it seem like most of the problems with the 2001 models have been fixed so that a once unreliable car is now a good car? OR, is it something where the 01 models are just forever less trustworthy?<p>Thanks for the info and glad to be here! I have always been very fond of Volvo engineering and have just never been in a position where owning one was right for me until now. BTW I talked my parents into doing a euro deilivery of a new S40 this past year and they had a great time and love the car.
 

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Re: New to the forum, and have a couple S60 specific questions (mtaviator)

Speaking as the owner of an '01 S60 T5:<br>1. Maintenance: I wouldn't trust Chilton or Haynes manuals.<br>Volvo only has a manual on DVD. It was called the VADIS system, no the VIDA system. You can buy the system on ebay, probably only VADIS available, and it will cost between $25 and $105,depending on how many CD's are available. I have it, and it has all cars since the 1980's, including parts, and service instructions.<p>2. I haven't seen much in the way of complaints about AWD, except in the R forum. There, there seem to be problems with the angle gear (converts power from the transmission to the dirveshaft for the rear wheels). Seems to have a problme with lubrication under extreme stress, or high power usage. The Haldex system also seems to have problems with heat, and the S60R can cook it good when being driven very agressively. That said, I haven't seen many complaints on the 2.5T models, or at least those owners don't seem to either drive as hard, or aren't as vocal. <p>3. How often you'd have to visit a dealer? Depends on what goes wrong. Most items can be repaired by a good independent, but in your part of Arkansas, I have no idea of what you'd have available. VADIS (and now VIDA) allows anyone who owns it, and the necessary hardware ( $3-5,000) to download software updates, but you also need a subscription for that, and only an independent who does a huge volume will be able to afford that. So dealer it is for software updates. Most of the rest of the repairs you'd have, suspension, engine, bodywork, would be doable by the good independent, or you.<p>4. Reliability of "01. Well, I bought mine at almost 90,000 miles. It has been well cared for, and seems to be in very good shape. Tires almost ready to replace, and disks will be replaced at next brake job. The biggest "problem" with 01's is the ETM (Electronic Throttle Module) which is apparently junk. Used in the 99 - 01 (plus normally aspirated 02's) it is prone to failure. Vovlo has an extended warranty for it 10 years or 200,000 miles. If you get an 01, look at the bottom of the intake manifold. You will see a rectangular box on the bottom, where the intake tube from the intercooler connects to it. If it has a white tag on the front, it is original, and probably ready to replace soon, at Volvo's expense, but only when it malfunctions. If it has a yellow tag, it is a replacement, and even those have had problems. Mine is a replacement, but no telling how long it will last. Volvo just came out with new software that is supposed to help this last longer, but it is too soon to tell. That is the biggest problem that I am aware of. Several other 01 owners here have said the major problems are just wear and tear.<p>There is one part that all FWD Volvos have problems with, the torque bushing on the top of the engine. It bolts to the big cross engine bay bar, and is designed to keep the engine from rocking back and forth. The original has a round bushing that inevitably will fail. IPD and others sell replacements that are hard polyurethane, and they don't break. May have more vibration transmitted into the car, but I don't have experience with one of these. Volvo just came out with a new version that can be retrofitted to any S60 (my dealer says it is the only version available now) and the bushing is cross shaped, and you buy the entire mount and bushing as a unit. Just did that to my car, took less than an hour to replace myself, and we'll see if it lasts any longer. I'm keeping the old mounting bracket, just in case the new one doesn't last, then I can try the aftermarket alternative.<p>Can't say that 01's seem more unrelable, I've seen more complaints about teh S80 than the S60. The only problem I have that wasn't mentioned above is a vibration in the headliner in my car, which simply needs to be fixed by dropping the liner and probably putting some foam in so that it doesn't have the ability to vibrate into the roof. Volvo has had some small squeaks and rattle in prior cars (see my list of previously owned cars) but typically not universal problems. Any car can have these types of problems. I bought the 01, knowing about the ETM problem, and I've simply not regretted the decision.
 

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Re: (mtaviator)

Never heard any complaints about them. The normally aspirated 02 has the ETM problem, but not the turbos, or at least that is what someone else has posted.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>wizzard_al</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Never heard any complaints about them. The normally aspirated 02 has the ETM problem, but not the turbos, or at least that is what someone else has posted.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hi fellows,<p>Couple of questions, <p>1. I checked the ETM on my 2001 S60 T5 and noticed the label was yellow and it said Magneta Millnegna (something like that). Does this mean the ETM was already replaced?<p>2. I notice the transmission fluid on my car is dark, kinda brownish. Does this mean it's time for a trans service? How often should the trans fluid be changed?<p>btw, I just purchased the car 1 week ago with 60K miles.<p>Thanks,
 

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I have a 5spd 2001 S60 T5. Its been relatively problem free (at least no major problems causing me to be without a vehicle or stranded). Power steering pump replaced (that's more related to my stupidity and abuse than reliability), and accelerator pedal replaced. <p>Other than that the only issue i had was with my cupholder breaking. Everything was covered under warranty. Just so you know, I've had the car since 30,000KM Jan 2004, and is currently up to 80,000KM today.<p>When a check engine light shows up, you're going to be forced to go to Volvo. As far as I know, you're unable to clear those messages safely by yourself.
 

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ETM on 01 is Magnetti Marelli. The yellow tag means it has been replaced, but with a part from the same manufacturer. <p>Transmission fluid - Volvo says inspect every 15,000 miles. If it is dark, I'd consider replacing it.<p>Clearing Cehck Engine Light. There are boxes available, AutoZone, and others, that allows you to reset the light. The nices also let you monitor many of the functions. There is one for the Palm handheld that I would like to buy, you can reset the check engine light, the service light, and find out what the trouble codes are, as well as record several of the car's sensor inputs. Look for Autera ODB reader.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>blackTT55</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Hi fellows,<p>Couple of questions, <p>1. I checked the ETM on my 2001 S60 T5 and noticed the label was yellow and it said Magneta Millnegna (something like that). Does this mean the ETM was already replaced?<p>2. I notice the transmission fluid on my car is dark, kinda brownish. Does this mean it's time for a trans service? How often should the trans fluid be changed?<p>btw, I just purchased the car 1 week ago with 60K miles.<p>Thanks,</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes and yes. If it's "brownish" DO IT ASAP <br>(Not a bad idea to flush the fluid at 60K anyway, good <B>or </B>bad color)
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Yes and yes. If it's "brownish" DO IT ASAP <br>(Not a bad idea to flush the fluid at 60K anyway, good <B>or </B>bad color)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hi,<p>I'm getting some conflicting info here. The guys at Volvospeed are saying my ETM is still the original one. I thought the original had the white label?<p>Regarding the ATF. Can I use the mobil 3309 as a substitute or not? Some claims it can and others do not recomend it.<p>Thanks,
 

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WTF... I just called the dealer to get a quote on transmission service and he said $410.00.<p>WTF.. $410.00 ????<p>He said the 2001 S60 T5 model uses the special synthetic fluid and no substitute out there. Is this true???<br>I heard mobil 3309 can be use. Please let me know ASAP so I can get started. I really don't want to spend $410.00, thats just ridiculous.<p>Thanks,
 

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Re: New to the forum, and have a couple S60 specific questions (mtaviator)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mtaviator</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Second, and this is going to be kinda subjective. are there many more maintenance headaches with the all wheel drive models? Or to phrase it another way is the AWD worth it? I am definitely leaning towards front wheel drive. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I believe a 2002 still has the viscous-coupling type of AWD (as opposed to the Haldex in newer models). The VC systems are very sensitive to tire inflation and mismatches in tread wear between tires and thus have been more prone to issues. If you don't need AWD, you might want to stay away from it (AWDs basically run as FWD most of the time anyway, only driving the rear wheels when slippage is detected). Your other choice is to get a more recent AWD vehicle.
 

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"The guys at Volvospeed are saying my ETM is still the original one. I thought the original had the white label?"<p>Correct. My ETM is a replacement, and has a bright yellow label. The dealer confirmed the colors for me when I asked.
 

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Yeah, but he said his has the yellow label. I just looked at mine yesterday and it is also yellow. Are we in agreement that the yellow label signifies a replacement?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>blackTT55</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WTF... I just called the dealer to get a quote on transmission service and he said $410.00. WTF.. $410.00 ???? He said the 2001 S60 T5 model uses the special synthetic fluid and no substitute out there. Is this true??? I heard mobil 3309 can be use. Please let me know ASAP so I can get started. I really don't want to spend $410.00, thats just ridiculous. Thanks,</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You know, I was at Costco the other day and they had Chevron Synthetic Transmission Fluid for $16 a case. I was told by my dealer that this is very similar to what they would use. Since the labor is only about 30 minutes @ $90/hour, I can't see how they can get away with charging that much for a friggin' tranny flush. You (we) are getting reamed... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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My local shop charges $80 for transmission flushes. The Volvo dealers are a huge rip-off. Any dealer is. My plan is to never set foot in a car dealer again. I buy single-owner, slightly used cars from competent owners with maintenance records, and fix cars myself or at a local garage. Dealer is for warranty/recall work and that's it. Volvo tries to make you come to the dealer with VADIS, and I don't like it. Seems like service writers make up problems on your car. I politely tell them "Sorry, not now, I'm going to get three bids and goto the person with the best price."
 

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Re: New to the forum, and have a couple S60 specific questions (VTT5)

Disregard anything TT55 (black) says. He just got booted for the second time from another volvo forum for being a child.<p>Gives a tremendous amount of misinformation and demands answers from other. Just a heads up guys. And don't mention synthetic fluids (which there are none approved for the S-60) to JS3309 standard. Which is really Mobil 3309. The approved fluid. He got his pumped full of cheapo synthetic intended for manual transmissions.
 

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Re: New to the forum, and have a couple S60 specific questions (fredmc)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>fredmc</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Disregard anything TT55 (black) says. He just got booted for the second time from another volvo forum for being a child.<p>Gives a tremendous amount of misinformation and demands answers from other. Just a heads up guys. And don't mention synthetic fluids (which there are none approved for the S-60) to JS3309 standard. Which is really Mobil 3309. The approved fluid. He got his pumped full of cheapo synthetic intended for manual transmissions.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This guy is from another volvo forum and following me and harrassing me. He states that mobil 3309 is the required ATF for our S60. He also claims that owners manual states not to use synthetic ATF for S60 T5 automatic transmission. So, I called up Rusnak Volvo and ask them what is the required ATF for a 2001 S60 T5. They told me (strongly suggest) not to use anything else but the volvo synthetic ATF on this car. So I replied to his post and gave him the number to call Rusnak Volvo at (626) 577-6661 to validate his claim. He never replied back to that thread. Now he's following me around harrassing me.<p>btw, I don't think he even has an S60.
 

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Re: New to the forum, and have a couple S60 specific questions (blackTT55)

<B>Rolex is a little girl</B>, that's what your name is there. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> I advise the group here, if they even care, to go to the other forum and check out your closed thread. You got booted a year ago, came back for a week, and got booted again. Closed by the moderator. I replied easily with facts. You have synthetic fluid in your (if you have one), Volvo. People on that forum actually doubted you have a Volvo since you were caught not having one a year ago...<br> Find out the comments on this dude in volvospeed.com forum. AWD/FWD 1999 and up forum<br>From the owners manual<br>From the Volvo manual booklet... <br>Transmission for volvo S60 5 speed<br>Oil grade:<br>Manual: Volvo synthetic transmission oil 97308 <br>Automatic: Volvo transmission oil 1161540- 8 <br>And Dwyer Volvo in Commerce Township MI says the 1161540 is NOT synthetic. Doesn't even say it on the bottle. You, if you indeed did get genuine Volvo fluid from a non dealer mechanic, got the 97308. Mobil 3309 is indeed the Volvo fluid. Call Vesco Oil in Detroit and Southfield MI. Well You know what "Rolex is a little girl... " keep that fluid in there, and see what a new trans costs... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>You also stated someone on this forum "was stumped" over this oil issue. This forum also endorses the Mobil 3309, I did a search and you lied again Rolex.<p>(whoops, is a little girl).. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: New to the forum, and have a couple S60 specific questions (blackTT55)

Below are Rolex comments from another forum (aka Blacktt55)<p>QUOTE(boostjunkie @ Apr 25 2006, 04:06 PM) <p>I see that you still have no life <p>yup, after 2 years with my mom (thats why I was away from this forum), I finally got bored and dumped her... now I got no life (this is from Rolex,,, scary)<p><br>--------------------<p>2001 S60 T5<br>automatic w/geartronics<br>stock (but not for long)<br>QUOTE(boostjunkie @ Apr 25 2006, 03:10 PM) <p>Is this the same Rolex from a couple of years ago? This posting behavior of his is awfully familiar <p>yeah thats me.. i see there are still some d*mb jack-a$$ around<p><br>QUOTE('95R @ Apr 26 2006, 11:28 AM) <p>629 posts... Where are they all, I haven't seen you post ever?<p>"Rolex was the worst member ever like 3 years ago"<br>Also 60 replies to a thread he made up when he got booted. All blasting this dude. Stay away from this guy...<br>
 

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Re: New to the forum, and have a couple S60 specific questions (VTT5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VTT5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I believe a 2002 still has the viscous-coupling type of AWD (as opposed to the Haldex in newer models). </TD></TR></TABLE><br><B>02 <B>S60 </B>is Haldex, 02 <B>V70s (& XC's)</B> are viscous coupling</B><br>Why they split it up one will never know<br>As for the tranny fluid you <B>MUST use the Mobil, </B>not something "similar". You can buy it yourself and not have the price mark up when it has the Volvo label on the bottle but it's the same stuff.<br>As for the Yellow tagged ETM, that IS the replacement.<br>(Doesn't matter, it's still garbage, white tag, yellow tag, doesn't matter)
 
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