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So I am lookin around today at some gauges, and came across this neat-o new product from APEX-i. <p><A HREF="http://www.apexi-usa.com/product_electronics_detail.asp?id=250&pageNum=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.apexi-usa.com/produ...Num=1</A><p>So I did a little searching around to get some more info, and it says the it will fit ALL cars with an OBD-II diagnostic connecter. But not all cars' ECU will display all the parameters. I am getting it mostly for the Intake Air Temp....I know they make gauges for this, but the fact that this is a true plug and play setup for under $150 makes it very appealing. I just don't want to get it and it turns out the R's ECU won't display the Intake Air Temp.....does anyone know if it will display it??
 

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Re: New "Parameter" Meter (s60rdood)

Yes, you can read the R's IAT with the OBD protocol. What you can't read that way is boost. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Tom.
 

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Yea, I figured you couldn't read boost, just by seeing how many people here are running boost gauges, so I ordered one today at the local speedshop and it will be here tomorrow <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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you can't read boost from diagnostic port? that's strange.<br>So if I was having problem with my turbo, how does a factory machenic check to see if it is making boost or not?<p>This monitor looks pretty slick, I think I would like to get one too as the R really doesn't tell me much about what's happening. Anywhere online I can order it?<br>
 

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Re: New "Parameter" Meter (mister2cool)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mister2cool</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can't read boost from diagnostic port? that's strange.<br>So if I was having problem with my turbo, how does a factory machenic check to see if it is making boost or not?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Easy for them/you to do: "T" the line coming into the intake manifold and add a boost gauge:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.r-series.org/boostap.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>(Pic courtesy of JimLill and the green dot is where the 6MM hose resides at the "driver's end" of the intake manifold).<p>Regards,<p>Derek<p>
 

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Mister- So far this is the cheapest online price I have found.....<p><A HREF="http://www.rx7store.net/product_p/apexi%20imoni.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.rx7store.net/produc...i.htm</A><p>This unit JUST came out, there is only 1 on ebay, and it's in Australia.<p>Local speedshop said they could do it for $150, so when I pick up my boost gauge today, I'll prob. put in the order for it.
 

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When you have it installed PLEASE post pics of the unit while it is running and its different functions....<p>Good luck<p>Jordan
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bb vign</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Easy for them/you to do: "T" the line coming into the intake manifold and add a boost gauge:<p>Derek</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I understand it's easy to add a boost gauge, but if my car was at dealer for service, they probably would not T a line just so that they could hook up a guage to read boost, and unhook it again when they are done. They must have some other way to read that info, and I can only assume it comes out of diag port when they hook up the reading device.
 

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Re: New "Parameter" Meter (mister2cool)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mister2cool</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can't read boost from diagnostic port? that's strange.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I didn't say that. I said you can't read boost with the OBD protocol. Using Volvo tools, you can most definitely read boost from the car, on the same connector.<p>Tom.
 

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Re: New "Parameter" Meter (tmtalpey)

where do you purchase the vct2000 hardware?
 

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Re: New "Parameter" Meter (phuz)

I didn't, and I don't. But VADIS/VIDA have quite an extensive list of readable parameters. Pretty much everything.<p>Tom.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where do you purchase the vct2000 hardware?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>From Volvo directly but it's in the thousands and probably not worth it.<p>Instead of going that route, we need to bug the guys that make those resonably priced OBD-2 tools to reverse-engineer Volvo's secret CAN messaging so we can get into all the special controllers and get info lilke BOOST etc. I've been asking these guys and telling them they'll win some good sales if they can do it. They all say they will but can't commit to a date (it's no simple task to say the least). I'm trying to intice them with an SS GB but no commitments received yet. <A HREF="http://www.scantool.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.scantool.net</A>, <A HREF="http://www.palmerperformance.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.palmerperformance.com</A>, <A HREF="http://www.obd-2.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.obd-2.com</A> and <A HREF="http://www.auterra.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auterra.net</A><p>CAN messaging is really tough to crack since word lenghts, start and stop bits are all over the map. There's a cool CAN decoding tool but it's in the thousands as well <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> I'd love to get my hands on one of these! <A HREF="http://www.intrepidcs.com/website/CANCracker.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.intrepidcs.com/website/CANCracker.htm</A><p>LTA<br>
 

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Re: New "Parameter" Meter (LTA)

Anyone tried Autoenginuity's OBD-II Scan Tool?<br><A HREF="http://www.autoenginuity.com/products.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoenginuity.com/products.html</A><p>Claims to interface CAN. Looks like a pretty powerful tool.<p>Pat
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Pat S</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyone tried Autoenginuity's OBD-II Scan Tool?<br><A HREF="http://www.autoenginuity.com/products.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoenginuity.com/products.html</A><p>Claims to interface CAN. Looks like a pretty powerful tool.<p>Pat</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Any one of them can 'speak' CAN, in fact just about all the cheap systems do it at <$250. But the point is, none of them know how to get into anything other than the standard controllers which do NOT include reading boost pressure on our Volvo's.<p>Got an e-mail yesterday from Alex C. Peper (www.obd-2.com) and he said he plans to do more work on Volvos in the next 1-2 months but may need additional hardware/mods and he didn't not give a date for that.<p>LTA<br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LTA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Any one of them can 'speak' CAN, in fact just about all the cheap systems do it at <$250. But the point is, none of them know how to get into anything other than the standard controllers which do NOT include reading boost pressure on our Volvo's.<p>Got an e-mail yesterday from Alex C. Peper (www.obd-2.com) and he said he plans to do more work on Volvos in the next 1-2 months but may need additional hardware/mods and he didn't not give a date for that.<p>LTA<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for the clarification.<br>Pat
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LTA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any one of them can 'speak' CAN, in fact just about all the cheap systems do it at <$250. But the point is, none of them know how to get into anything other than the standard controllers which do NOT include reading boost pressure on our Volvo's.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>You're correct, but it's important to add that in order to talk to most >=2005 Volvos at all, it <B>must </B>speak CAN. For most <=2004s, it needs ISO9141.<p>CAN and ISO are physical interfaces, the signals themselves (more or less). The protocol, what messages you send on the interface, is what's important. OBDII is a very, very small subset of what's there.<p>I purchased a very nice Bluetooth OBDII device called Car-Pal from Vital Engineering (in the UK). <A HREF="http://www.car-pal.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.car-pal.net</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.car-pal.net/car-pal/images/car-pal_small.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I am a Palm developer and have been working with the company to improve the Palm client, and to work on my Treo. It's really useful as a data logger and general monitoring tool. But OBDII devices are not at all a window into the inner workings of the car, they're limited by what the car chooses to reveal.<p>Anyway, I really like the bluetooth interface and the product is well worth checking out. If anyone wants to talk about this, feel free to contact me offline.<p>Tom.
 

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how does the car-pal work, performance wise? are you happy with it? how much did it cost? <p>feedback please <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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