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Welp, pulled the trigger on a 1997 850 on Sunday. It replaces my wife's Mini Cooper because we decided we couldn't afford the car payment anymore. <p><IMG SRC="http://i29.tinypic.com/2qvwcuh.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i31.tinypic.com/fz13qd.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i32.tinypic.com/33caj4w.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i31.tinypic.com/v8oby8.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Cost me $2,500.<p>The good:<br>Came with all records since 2005, and was always serviced at the dealership.<br>Tires have a lot of tread on them, and the brake pads and rotors are in excellent shape<br>(almost) Everything works<br>The evap core was replaced last year to the tune of $1,500. So I don't have to worry about that.<br>Timing belt replaced at 70k miles, due at 140k miles.<br>Car has approx. 116k on it.<br>Runs and handles wonderfully.<br>It's the rare 5-speed.<br>factory fog lights and spoiler!<p>The bad:<br>body has seen better days - lots of dents, scratches, and faded paint. oh no.<br>needs a tune up - runs a little rich, and the belt squeaks a little.<br>odometer doesn't work. Above reading verified through carfax, will be verified again by the dealer when I fix it. I plan on buying replacement parts <A HREF="http://www.odometergears.com/subpages/volvo.html" TARGET="_blank">gere.</A><br>ABS/traction light are on. I will either send it to <A HREF="http://home.earthlink.net/~vicrocha/Volvo_Parts/Volvo_V70_ABS.htm" TARGET="_blank">this guy</A> since this seems to be a common problem, or going through my father, who works at Bosch, the maker of the module. Either way, it won't cost a lot.<br>radio doesn't work most of the time. I'll probably be replacing it anyway. Wife wants satellite radio, any suggestions?<br>I think the alloy wheels it came with are stupid looking and would like some OEM Volvo wheels for cheap.<p>I already ordered my odometer gears and about $250 worth of tuneup parts from IPD (spark plugs/wires/cap/rotor, air filter, cabin filter, fuel filter, serp belt, serp belt tool, E-5 torx bit for the ABS module, oil filter, headlight wiper blades because one is missing).<p>The car wants to be loved. After we bought it, I opened the hood in front of a Home Depot I stopped at, and <i>french fries</i> fell out from the underhood liner. Then, I was digging through the back seat, and found two fake rolexes and a third watch of unknown make. I also found a book on CD. It's the car that keeps on giving!<p>My wife is very happy with our purchase. The car is a huge difference from the Mini but she doesn't mind at all. We both insist on driving manual transmissions and finding an 850 with one was very hard - the one we got was 100 miles away and pretty much the only one within 200 miles we could find at the time (we're in northern Indiana, and went to Chicago to pick the car up). Unfortunately my wife wouldn't be caught dead in a wagon, and because we wanted the manual transmission we couldn't get a turbo. But it's OK, its the wife's car and its no slower than her Mini was (it wasn't an S model).<p>I'm gonna do the odometer this weekend, and the tune-up next weekend, and honestly I can't wait to tear into it. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by shivan000 at 6:21 AM 7-23-2009</i>
 

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Re: New 850 owner! (shivan000)

First weekend of ownership, got some things done, and found out some additional neat tidbits:<p>1. Got my odometer fixed, thanks to the gears I got from <A HREF="http://www.odometergears.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.odometergears.com</A>. Dash came apart and cluster came out very easily, though I did have to run to harbor freight to get a T-7 torx driver. <p>2. Took the car to the dealer, they could not read the mileage from the ECU. I was told that they would be able to, and they seemed to think this initially as well. Why would they not be able to do this? I ended up having to guess on the odometer reading (no fear of a rollback showing up on the carfax, though) but it still sits weird with me that I don't know the true mileage of the car.<p>3. Cleaned the car real good, found a business card for the previous owner. Turns out he was a sales rep for Grossinger Volvo in Chicago! <p>4. Sorted through the receipts that came with the car, the previous owner spent over $5,500 on the car between 2005-2009. wow. Good to know that the power antenna, heater core, A/C core, and exhaust manifold have all been replaced (somewhat) recently. <p>5. Got a new Alpine head unit installed with satellite radio. Is there a market for the CD player I took out? If so, how much should I list it for on craigslist/these forums?
 

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Re: New 850 owner! (shivan000)

If it's in excellent shape the CD, AM and FM are working and all the LIGHTS WORK, anywhere from 50 to $90.
 

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Well I got a head start on the Volvo's tuneup today since it stopped raining for an hour and I had nothing else to do. <p>Replaced the air filter:<br><IMG SRC="http://i31.tinypic.com/oji0lf.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Replaced the cabin filter:<br><IMG SRC="http://i27.tinypic.com/2qwhc9h.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Replaced the drive belt: (yes that is a chunk missing, and it was cracked all the way around like you see. Suprised it was still in one piece, honestly).<br><IMG SRC="http://i30.tinypic.com/5we8te.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Replaced the headlight wipers<br>Put my wife's german plate on the front<br>Noted that I still get a racket from the belt area, need to look more into it. Hopefully its just the tensioner or the idler. I'll need to get in there with my stethoscope.
 

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Re: New 850 owner! (shivan000)

...and today, I did leg two of my Volvo tune-up! All new spark plugs, wires, distributor cap and rotor, supplied by IDP. All plugs properly gapped and torqued down. Noticeable difference. <p><IMG SRC="http://i29.tinypic.com/21opxnc.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i31.tinypic.com/2zolmjr.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>yaaaaay<p>I did notice oil in the recesses of the engine top, you can see it in the pictures. Was someone just a messy oil changer or should I be worried?<p>Next up, oil/oil filter and fuel filter change, and the whenever-I-have-a-feww-hour tune up is complete!
 

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change the oil filler cap gasket:<p>part number 940096 from the volvo dealer<p>msrp $2.80
 

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Thanks, just bought from from RM european, <$.50<p>(had to place an order through them anyway for my other car, so its not like Im wasting money on shipping)<p>thanks!
 

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You may want to check and see if the flame trap is clogged just in case. You can pop it out of the intake hose and see if there is any oil stuck in the honey comb thing. Also, when the car is running, make sure there is not oil or smoke coming from the dipstick tube. If there is, I would think about redoing the PCV.
 

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Where do you check? I have a feeling I need to work on that.
 

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The flame trap is in the side of the intake tube running to the throttle body. Pull the tube out and make sure there is nothing blocking it. <p>There is also a oil separator box under the intake, but there is really no way to check that. You will know it that is clogged because you will be getting smoke coming from the dipstick tube.
 

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Thanks! I will check that out along with a few other things this weekend! Might be getting some parts from you! I just changed the timing on my S70 a week ago from your kit. Granted.... I did use the IPD cam locking tool. Took about 3 1/2 hours for me to get it all done including the water pump.
 

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Yeah, we will let you slide about using the IPD stuff, lol. Glad to here that everything went smoothly and that it only took 3 and a half hours. That is not bad at all.
 

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Re: New 850 owner! (shivan000)

Your oil filler cap's rubber gasket needs to be replaced, that is where the recessed oil on top of the head is coming from.<p>Your upper engine mount (next to the brake master cylinder) may also be bad. It appears STOCK. FCPgroton or IPD has an aftermarket fix.<p>While you're at it, pull the hose at the bottom of your power steering fluid to drain it, and then refill with fresh DEXRON-3 or above ATF fluid. <p>You may also want to check the condition of the PCV <A HREF="http://www.fcpgroton.com/...">http://www.fcpgroton.com/image...p.jpg</A> <br>I have a set of unclogged, used PCV for $50 if you are interested. PM me.<p>I don't know how many vacuum lines are in the non Turbo engine, but they are most likely dry rotted by now so change them.<p>Other than that, it looks like you've done a very thorough tune up and it will run for another 100K without lifting a finger.<p>As a precaution, if the fuel pump and pump relay hasn't been changed, do it now to prevent a sudden death that will strand the car without warning.<p>The radiator may also go soon. It's an easy DIY fix. I first paid a mechanic who replaced an aftermarket radiator at the tune of $750, but it failed after a few months. The second time I did it myself for $250 OEM part. You can order OEM from Darrel Waltrip Volvo (in TN); their parts are priced very competitively. <p><br><i>Modified by FlyingR at 9:53 AM 8-15-2009</i><p><br><i>Modified by FlyingR at 9:54 AM 8-15-2009</i><BR><BR>
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Very interesting comments, I will try to check all of that stuff. Some questions:<p>1. Upper motor mount: This looks really easy to change, is it as easy as it looks? How can I tell if the current mount is bad? Do I need to change the lower one as well?<p>2. Concerning the radiator, what specifically fails on these? I know on my BMW the neck is plastic and it becomes brittle with age and fails without warning. Does the Volvo fail in a similar manner?<p>3. Is the fuel pump inside or outside of the tank? Is it easily accessible?<p>Also, sometimes when the car is started up, and usually at 3000+rpm, there is a mechanical-sounding squealing noise coming from the belt area. I still need to get in there with my stethoscope, but I'm assuming this is the belt tensioner. This happened before I replaced the belt, and continues to happen with the new belt. Where could I find a new tensioner other than the dealer? edit: looks like FCPgroton has some, fantastic. Any comments on how difficuly this is to replace?<p>My ABS/TRAC module is still out at Mr. Rocha's, hopefully that comes back this week because it's very annoying driving without a speedometer! <p>By the end of the week I'll try to see if I've got any burning oil escaping anywhere (I don't think I do) and the condition of the PCV/flame trap system.<p>Thanks for all of your help so far!<BR><BR>
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Re: New 850 owner! (shivan000)

I bought a 94 850 a couple of years ago and did the same tune up and it did make the car run much more smoothly! mine is also a manual trans, but wagon.<p>I need to troubleshoot my seat heater and cruise control still.<p>I sold my volvo stereo for like 60 on ebay. My pioneer unit was only 130, and it has a CD!<p>If you check the flame trap, please take pics on how you did it.<p>I also ran some chevron techron through the gas and I think that helped, as well. It's cheap and doesnt hurt.
 

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Re: New 850 owner! (jh_on_the_cape)

Okay, looking at the motor mounts, can someone please explain them to me? I see stuff on torque rods, front right lower, rear lower, rear vertical, a number of transmission mounts and torque rods, etc... I can't tell how this engine is mounted! Keep in mind I'm used to my BMW, which has two motor mounts on the bottom and that is it... <p>I see the polyurethane <A HREF="http://www.ipdusa.com/Volvo-850/Engine/Engine-Mounts/Upper-Engine-Stabilizer-Mount/p-72-153-249-4620/" TARGET="_blank">upper engine stabilizer mount </A>and plan on getting that, but is there a bushing at the back of that bracket that also needs replacing? Which one is that (name)? <A HREF="http://www.ipdusa.com/version.asp?strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=72,153,249&P_ID=1988&CAT_ID=249&V_ID=12295" TARGET="_blank">Upper engine rear torque mount? </A> Does that one even usually need to be replaced? Is it easy? Is there a polyurethane option for all the mounts? <p>Is there any difference between the FCP and IPD urethane mounts (they look different and I'm assuming they come from different places)?
 

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Re: New 850 owner! (shivan000)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>shivan000</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>1. Upper motor mount: This looks really easy to change, is it as easy as it looks? How can I tell if the current mount is bad? Do I need to change the lower one as well?<p><B>LOOK AT IT FROM THE SIDE.<br>IF THERE IS "OPEN SPACE" ON THE TOP AND BOTTOM, IT'S SHOT.<br>THERE CAN BE A LITTLE RIPPED RUBBER ON THE FRONT AND REAR, THAT'S OK FOR A WHILE BUT IF IT'S ONLY BEING HELD ON IN ONE QUADRANT, TIME FOR A NEW ONE.<br>THESE ARE GOOD FOR ABOUT 35- TO 50k MILES, THAT'S IT.<br>EVERYONE'S MOUNTS ARE DIFFERENT AND ALL THE POLY MOUNTS MAKE THE CAR VIBRATE AT IDLE. THIS CAN BE VERY ANNOYING IF YOU HAVE AN AUTOMATIC, A MANUAL NOT SO MUCH. <br>CONSIDER USING OEM VOLVO MOUNTS.<br>ON A NON TURBO, FWD VOLVO IT'S USUALLY JUST THE UPPER TORQUE MOUNT THAT GOES BAD AND SOMETIMES (RARELY) THE LARGE LOWER MOUNT. I WOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT THE SMALL HYDRAULIC MOUNTS, THEY HARDLY EVER GO BAD.<br>THE ONE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE CAR, THE TRANNY MOUNT, IS EASY TO SEE IF IT'S BAD. TAKE A BREAKER BAR AND TRY TO PRY, (MOVE) THE ENGINE UP. IF IT'S SOLID, YOU CAN'T. IF IT'S BROKEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY PRY THE ENGINE UP 2"!</B>.<p>2. Concerning the radiator, what specifically fails on these? I know on my BMW the neck is plastic and it becomes brittle with age and fails without warning. Does the Volvo fail in a similar manner?<p><B>THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER IS USUALLY THE FIRST PLACE IT GOES (LEFT TO YOU AS YOU LOOK AT IT)</B><p>3. Is the fuel pump inside or outside of the tank? Is it easily accessible?<p><B>ALL FUEL INJECTED CAR'S FUEL PUMPS ARE INSIDE THE TANK WITH JUST A FEW EXCEPTIONS, VOLVO AIN'T ONE OF THEM</B><p>Also, sometimes when the car is started up, and usually at 3000+rpm, there is a mechanical-sounding squealing noise coming from the belt area. I still need to get in there with my stethoscope, but I'm assuming this is the belt tensioner. This happened before I replaced the belt, and continues to happen with the new belt. Where could I find a new tensioner other than the dealer? edit: looks like FCPgroton has some, fantastic. Any comments on how difficuly this is to replace?<p><B>PROBABLY TENSIONER</B><p>My ABS/TRAC module is still out at Mr. Rocha's, hopefully that comes back this week because it's very annoying driving without a speedometer! <p><B>NEXT TIME USE <A HREF="http://WWW.MODULEMASTER.COM" TARGET="_blank">http://WWW.MODULEMASTER.COM</A>, 36 HOUR TURN AROUND AND CHEAPER</B><p>By the end of the week I'll try to see if I've got any burning oil escaping anywhere (I don't think I do) and the condition of the PCV/flame trap system.<p><B>THE ENTIRE PCV SYSTEM SHOULD PROBABLY BE REPLACED</B><p><br></TD></TR></TABLE>
 

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It looks like <A HREF="http://www.ipdusa.com/version.asp?strPageHistory=search&numSearchStartRecord=1&P_ID=3937&CAT_ID=849&V_ID=12574" TARGET="_blank">this</A> is what I need in terms of PCV replacement, so I'll be doing that before the year is through. What's the best writeup for intake manifold removal, since that looks like its necessary?<p>edit: looks like Im not getting Victor's emails, I called him and he told me he sent it back a couple of days ago so that should be getting put back on today or tomorrow.<p>edit2: does IPD sell a serpentine belt tensioner? I see RMeuropean and FCP sell one, but not IPD, and since IPD seems to have the best deal on the PCV kit, I'd like to get everything at the same place to save on shipping.<p><br><i>Modified by shivan000 at 9:04 AM 8-19-2009</i> <p><br><i>Modified by shivan000 at 10:12 AM 8-19-2009</i><BR><BR>
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re:<br>3. Cleaned the car real good, found a business card for the previous owner. Turns out he was a sales rep for Grossinger Volvo in Chicago! <p>This is a bad sign. Grossinger was (no longer a dealer) the one thing that Chicago Volvo owners could agree on, everybody hated Grossinger.<p>R U in Chicago area?<p>Good luck with the car.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Stormin Norman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">re:<br>3. Cleaned the car real good, found a business card for the previous owner. Turns out he was a sales rep for Grossinger Volvo in Chicago! <p>This is a bad sign. Grossinger was (no longer a dealer) the one thing that Chicago Volvo owners could agree on, everybody hated Grossinger.<p>R U in Chicago area?<p>Good luck with the car.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm in South Bend, IN. The closest dealer to me is Jordan Ford/Volvo. They seem to be good people, but then again they couldn't read my mileage for some reason so maybe they're actually inept. <p>Grossinger was that bad, eh? Interesting to know.
 
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