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Now, first off, I know these are two TOTALLY different cars. I know some of you might think, why the hell is this thread here? its pointless, but I just want your two cents on these two cars. Anyway, it is time for my mother to get rid of her 91 940t Wagon. Yes, I am in tears. It's a bitchen car, pull up to people that think they can just blow us off, and we kick there asses. Well, you guys know that. Anyway, for her next car, I am kinda helping her because well, duh, I'll get to drive it and I know more about cars than her or my father. When we go to the dealerships, I want to have an idea of what I think my parents will want to look at so we don't waste time and all. Okay, So basically I'm looking at cars for them even though they make the finally choice. <BR>I was really wondering which car you'd think my mom would enjoy more. She loves speeding and taking others out when she needs to pull ahead. Both of these cars have the power. But, do you guys think she would enjoy the c70 convertable(probably) or the Audi s4? Which has more advantages? I've compared these two on Edmunds, but that didn't help at all. Thanks.
 

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I'd tend to believe women would dig the C70 convertible more. Why? You see these women in their C70 convertibles everywhere you look.<P>I would probably suggest her to get the S4...just because. Well, it seems as if there are more male S4 drivers than female...so, that'll be different for a change.<P>I just think she will appreicate the overall build and quality in the audi than the Volvo. Sounds kinda odd that I'm actually promoting others to consider other brand cars. It's just that they are about almost the same size in terms of seating comfort, and both will understeer, but the S4 would feel and drive more of a performance car than a touring vehicle v.s the C70. <P>Plus....if she happens to NOT liking it all that much few years down the road, maybe you could get it as a good play toy. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"> Some may say the S4 is overpriced(only heard once from a diehard bimmer fan), but I think the C70 is a lot more overpriced than the S4..especially the convertible model.<P>However, if she wants something that will not look like another Audi on the road..C70 will be a much better choice.<BR>
 

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I think she will want the c70 more though. Just for the fact that our neighbors bought a Mercedes-Benz SLK convertable. We are good friends, but then again, we wont be after the race.
 

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Trouble with both cars is that they're both about at the end of their product cycle. I'm not even sure there are still new S4s being imported anymore, though they are probably still at dealerships. The new S4 is due out by year's end (at least to be shown) and the C70 won't be built that much longer either.<P>Does your mom still want a wagon? In that case, the S4 might be the choice to have. One would be a great winter car (S4 with quattro) and the other a great summer car (C70 drop top).
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_one_n_only:<BR><B>I'd tend to believe women would dig the C70 convertible more. Why? You see these women in their C70 convertibles everywhere you look.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I would definitely agree with this statement.<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>Some may say the S4 is overpriced(only heard once from a diehard bimmer fan), but I think the C70 is a lot more overpriced than the S4..especially the convertible model.<BR></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I wouod hate to admit it but, unfortunately, it is a fact. The C70 Cabriolet is very overpriced, a victim of the expensive build process that it goes under. I also think that the S4 is way overpriced but it is a more fun car. If she really has the itch for a convertible then the C70 HPT is no slouch especially when you know that for under $1,000 you can get the HP close to 280! <P>I don't think that she is looking for just a "fun" car...She would definitely look more in place with the C70, much more attractive style and more unique. You see way too many S4 out there. That car is a typical representative of the dot.com yuppie.<P>Yannis<P><P>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by [email protected]:<BR><B>I'm not even sure there are still new S4s being imported anymore, though they are probably still at dealerships. The new S4 is due out by year's end (at least to be shown) and the C70 won't be built that much longer either.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I did forget to mention that my parents plan on saving up for the car and to pay in full. I remember a while back when they would sometimes have a hard time paying for my moms 3yr old wagon and my dads new sedan. Since they want to pay in full, it would be around late fall when we do purchase the car. I just kinda got excited when my mom mentioned it to me that she would be getting rid of her car soon. So we would probably end up with a model year 03 s4. When is the replacement for the c70 due out? Thats not for some time though right?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by [email protected]:<BR><B>Does your mom still want a wagon?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No. She's done with wagons. We don't have the need for them anymore. I am going off to college soon and hopefully I'll have an 850 wagon or a v70 to haul my stuff. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P>As I sat here wondering about what car my parents could get my mom in the fall, I remembered that, hopefully, in the fall Volvo will have unleased the s60r!<p>[This message has been edited by omega6_virus (edited 05-17-2002).]
 

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S4 has the advantage of AWD.<P>S4 is fun and fast.<P>C70 isn't as fast, and is FWD. But hey, women like 'verts.<P>What's wrong with a BMW 3-series or Mercedes CLK?<P>
 

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Well, the 3 series seems kinda small. My friends dad got one, a sedan, and its kinda cramped. And the CLK, well the 7k more for the convertable version is a reason. My parents are mostly looking at cars around 40k, maybe a little more and below.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anony00gt:<BR><B>S4 has the advantage of AWD.<P>S4 is fun and fast.<P>C70 isn't as fast, and is FWD. But hey, women like 'verts.<P>What's wrong with a BMW 3-series or Mercedes CLK?<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And they have the "stinking" RWD drivetrain...not very good for the winters of Kenosha!<P>Yannis<P>
 

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Winters can be pretty harsh here in Kenosha, Wisconsin. I'm right between Chicago and Milwaukee. I am pretty tired of loading the sandbags in the cars by myself. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/frown.gif">
 

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How about the new A4 Convertable/Audi TT Cab or she could just wait for the new C40 Convertable, which should be an awesome car based on the Focus/323/Volvo chassis, with the possibility of Haldex AWD to boot!<P>If she needs a car right now, how about a base Boxter or S2000, both of which have marvelous handling that can't really be touched by any Audi or Volvo.<P>The C70 Vert and S4 are such different cars, that it would be impossible for me to choose. I think your mom would enjoy the C70 more though.<P>-Drew
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by InDy:<BR><B>If she needs a car right now, how about a base Boxter or S2000, both of which have marvelous handling that can't really be touched by any Audi or Volvo.<BR>-Drew</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>But...they are stinking RWD! <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/biggrin.gif"><P><BR>Yannis<P>
 

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Stinking RWD? RWD owns. Except in snow. Which my parents thought odd back when they got their first 740(I think) back in the mid 80's since its a swedish car company and sweden gets snow from what I learn in school. I also thought about the boxster, but no backseat. Thats what also keeps us from the BMW z3 and the MB SLK. Maybe I can convince them to wait longer, even though my dad will wait till he needs to spend some more money on the 945, since waiting till the car will no longer move is not an option because its a volvo.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by omega6_virus:<BR><B>Stinking RWD? RWD owns. Except in snow. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And rain and whatever does not include dry or stable pavement. You wanna race on an oval or a paved track? Sure...RWD "owns" (although AWD would blow RWD to the edge of the universe). But for regular driving, FWD/AWD "own".<P>Yannis<P>
 

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I guess a question that pops into my head, who is the car really for, you or your mom? I think the C70 would be a better choice for your mom and the S4 would be for you. Given your mom will be the primary driver, I say go for the C70.<P>I'm a regular on the VW/Audi boards and rumour has it that no more current gen S4's are being built, just what's left at the dealer. I disagree with the others in that I think for the level of performance you get in an S4 that it's actually a decent value.<P>However the next gen S4 will come with a 8 cylinder engine and quite a "diet" that's expected to see the weight of the car drop to 3,470 lbs (rumour again). I think that the changes to the S4 will likely add $10k, maybe even $15k to the price so that could knock it out of the running.<P>The other thing to consider is that with Audi you get 4 years/80,000km's of no-charge maintenance free with the vehicle. I've been extremely impressed with Audi's service but have no experience with Volvo.
 

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The car is definatly for my mom. I just want to help out cause I don't want my parents to go off and buy some pos like an Acura or something. I know there are no new s4's being built. The s4 is up for a make-over for next year. do you think that this will make dealers want to get current s4's off the lots and would be willing to go lower on prices? The current s4 kinda beat out the previous MY m3 to the new one. Do you think Audi would really increase the price to get it around the price of the m3? I would think that keeping it at a lower price and competing with the m3's performance level would be better.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by omega6_virus:<BR><B>The car is definatly for my mom. I just want to help out cause I don't want my parents to go off and buy some pos like an Acura or something. I know there are no new s4's being built. The s4 is up for a make-over for next year. do you think that this will make dealers want to get current s4's off the lots and would be willing to go lower on prices? The current s4 kinda beat out the previous MY m3 to the new one. Do you think Audi would really increase the price to get it around the price of the m3? I would think that keeping it at a lower price and competing with the m3's performance level would be better.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>I doubt that AUdi dealers will be discounting their remaining S4s. I know that I would not, especially since it is a very desirable car.<P>Now, let me throw in my 2 cents regarding the comparison of the new M3 vs. the current S4. Having driven both cars, I would definitely fork over the extra $$$ and go for the M3. It's just more car! Niver interior, definitely better looks and the level of performance is amazing. Not only acceleration (where the S4 provides more than enough but not as much as the M3) but the way the car steers and handles. I understand that the S4 has AWD but the M3 feels like it is a more serious car. Trying to remember exactly my S4 impressions, I had a hard time (initially) leaning toward other car because I am so used to a turbocharged power delivery, whereas the BMW had a totally different feel. But after thinking more carefully and analyzing my personal experience, the M3 wins hands down in all departments. The only area where the S4 wins is in the pocket...<P>Yannis<BR><P>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by omega6_virus:<BR><B>The car is definatly for my mom. I just want to help out cause I don't want my parents to go off and buy some pos like an Acura or something. I know there are no new s4's being built. The s4 is up for a make-over for next year. do you think that this will make dealers want to get current s4's off the lots and would be willing to go lower on prices? The current s4 kinda beat out the previous MY m3 to the new one. Do you think Audi would really increase the price to get it around the price of the m3? I would think that keeping it at a lower price and competing with the m3's performance level would be better.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I guess it depends by dealer. I have to agree with Yannis in that some dealers will know they have something rare and desireable and won't bargain. On the other hand the dealer where I go has a 2001 S4 that they're clearing out at $52k Cdn. - I'd consider it, but unfortunately it's a Tiptronic.<P>Yannis I have to disagree about the current M3, yes it's got great performance numbers if the engine doesn't blow up on you......<P>If you check <A HREF="http://www.dtmpower.net" TARGET=_blank>www.dtmpower.net</A> or other Bimmer boards you'll see that quite a few M3 engines have blown. In fact there's a section of roadfly.com that's tracking blown M3 engines. 33 and counting and that's only the ones reported to the site. One of the many posters commented that BMW N/A had 23 M3 engines on backorder last month because so many engines have blown. I didn't have time to read about every engine, but from what I read they were all stock and many were SMG models which don't allow the driver to overrev the engine.<P>Seems as most of the failures are with connecting rods, but in one case a valve broke and the sodium leaked all over the engine block and damaged it.<P>Considering how few of the E46 M3's have been sold in N/A so far and the number of failures, I'd say it's a high enough % that I wouldn't want to chance buying one.<P>I haven't heard of any S4 engine failures other than modified engines.<P>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Watchdog:<BR><B> <BR>Yannis I have to disagree about the current M3, yes it's got great performance numbers if the engine doesn't blow up on you......<P>If you check <A HREF="http://www.dtmpower.net" TARGET=_blank>www.dtmpower.net</A> or other Bimmer boards you'll see that quite a few M3 engines have blown. In fact there's a section of roadfly.com that's tracking blown M3 engines. 33 and counting and that's only the ones reported to the site. One of the many posters commented that BMW N/A had 23 M3 engines on backorder last month because so many engines have blown. I didn't have time to read about every engine, but from what I read they were all stock and many were SMG models which don't allow the driver to overrev the engine.<P>Seems as most of the failures are with connecting rods, but in one case a valve broke and the sodium leaked all over the engine block and damaged it.<P>Considering how few of the E46 M3's have been sold in N/A so far and the number of failures, I'd say it's a high enough % that I wouldn't want to chance buying one.<P>I haven't heard of any S4 engine failures other than modified engines.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>WOW!!! <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/eek.gif"> I tried your link several times but it dd not work. Anyway, I have never heard of any complaints but, as you correctly wrote, there are not too many of those out there. I am totally surprised! Especially for a n/a engine! So, here goes the aftermarket mods, huh? <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><P>On the other hand, I would not expect an S4 engine to blow despite the tubocharged element (well, I did not expect the M3 engine to have such problems, either!)...<P>What about M5s?<P>Man, I am still blown away!!! <IMG SRC="http://www.plauder-smilies.de/rough/grenade.gif"> <P>Yannis<P><BR>
 

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I haven't heard about any M5 failures, but then again I haven't bothered to look. I kind of stumbled upon the engine failures as I was looking up info on SMG II, as I had been thinking about a used M3 in the future. After what I read, obviously I'm not going to take a chance.<P>Yannis, try this link. <BR> <A HREF="http://members.roadfly.com/jason/m3engines.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://members.roadfly.com/jason/m3engines.htm</A> <P>Let me know if it works.
 
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