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When will the MY2003s start coming out?

I really want to lease a S60 AWD with Touring, Premium and Cold weather, 17" wheels AND most importantly DSTC..

Now, since I live the the US, a LOT of options aren't available and NO SINGLE DEALER has an AWD with DSTC, so I would have to special order the car... I can lease X-plan so OSD leasing doesn't make sense... BUT it is still a 4 month wait for the car...

When do the MY2003s start shipping? I assume that MY2003 will make DSTC more available in the US (hopefully along with HIDs)

I just don't want to order a 2002 and get it just before the 2003s come out with what I want plus improvements...

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oh yeah, get this...

The navigation system option on a leased car actually DECREASES the residual value by 2%... TWO PERCENT!

So not only do you pay on the $1900 for the system plus you also pay for the 2% decrease in residual value
 

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Originally posted by cschmelz:
When will the MY2003s start coming out?

I really want to lease a S60 AWD with Touring, Premium and Cold weather, 17" wheels AND most importantly DSTC..

Now, since I live the the US, a LOT of options aren't available and NO SINGLE DEALER has an AWD with DSTC, so I would have to special order the car... I can lease X-plan so OSD leasing doesn't make sense... BUT it is still a 4 month wait for the car...

When do the MY2003s start shipping? I assume that MY2003 will make DSTC more available in the US (hopefully along with HIDs)

I just don't want to order a 2002 and get it just before the 2003s come out with what I want plus improvements...

-C
September/October 2002 will be the time when 2003 S60s will arrive.

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Originally posted by GrecianVolvo:

September/October 2002 will be the time when 2003 S60s will arrive.

Yannis

Next question is, does anyone know what will change for US buyers yet or big pricing changes?
 

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Originally posted by cschmelz:
I really want to lease a S60 AWD with Touring, Premium and Cold weather, 17" wheels AND most importantly DSTC..

Now, since I live the the US, a LOT of options aren't available and NO SINGLE DEALER has an AWD with DSTC
-C
Really? I have a hard time believing that we in Canada can get it so easily since I was able to get one with minimal hassle up here. And, there were three others available of different colours. For reference, I have a 2002 S60 AWD with the Premium package, cold weather package (since its standard in Canada), DSTC, 17" Thor wheels and the AudioMax stereo.

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Originally posted by cschmelz:
Next question is, does anyone know what will change for US buyers yet or big pricing changes?

No, too early for that...Naturally, one of the most anticipated additions are the HID lights, as a not so cheap option.

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Originally posted by Iceman:
Really? I have a hard time believing that we in Canada can get it so easily since I was able to get one with minimal hassle up here. And, there were three others available of different colours. For reference, I have a 2002 S60 AWD with the Premium package, cold weather package (since its standard in Canada), DSTC, 17" Thor wheels and the AudioMax stereo.

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Pat,

every market has its own "mask". A mask is like a template in the computer and every model is entered with the most common options so that the computer generates automatic orders when allocations arrive from Sweden in order for them to be allocated to the Retailers. That mask is supposedly changed/adjusted every 6 months but usually it does not get asjusted properly.

DSTC is a tough option to sell. Unless the Retailer's staff are enthusiastic and knowledgeable about it and unless the customer knows about it, it does not sell as it is a very expensive add-on. The Salesperson must realy do a good job in explaining what it really does and he/she should be able to draw from real life experiences in explaining, properly, how it works, etc. Which is asking for too much for the majority of sales consultants.

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Originally posted by GrecianVolvo:

Pat,

every market has its own "mask". A mask is like a template in the computer and every model is entered with the most common options so that the computer generates automatic orders when allocations arrive from Sweden in order for them to be allocated to the Retailers. That mask is supposedly changed/adjusted every 6 months but usually it does not get asjusted properly.

DSTC is a tough option to sell. Unless the Retailer's staff are enthusiastic and knowledgeable about it and unless the customer knows about it, it does not sell as it is a very expensive add-on. The Salesperson must realy do a good job in explaining what it really does and he/she should be able to draw from real life experiences in explaining, properly, how it works, etc. Which is asking for too much for the majority of sales consultants.

Yannis

That's kind of ironic in a way. Volvo has always been known to be the market leader in terms of safety and DTSC would seem to be a great safety feature. I would think if anyone could sell stability control systems it would be Volvo staff.

Maybe the answer is to make it standard equipment. The early A4's didn't offer stability control, then in 2000 and 2001 it was an option, for 2002 it became standard equipment. The Volvo system must have more to it, because even when it was an option on the Audi it was $800 Cdn. not the $5,000 Cdn package that Pat got.
 

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The Volvo system must have more to it, because even when it was an option on the Audi it was $800 Cdn. not the $5,000 Cdn package that Pat got.

In reality the DSTC is only a $1500 option since the other part of the $5K I paid is the Premium package and the 17" wheels. And, I agree that it should come standard on all S60's.

Yannis, as for the mask, I guess in parts of the country where inclement weather is not an issue, the DSTC would not be a big seller even though its for more than inclement weather conditions.

Anyway, I'm happy I got it. I was able to try it out today in the mini-snow fall we had.

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Making it standard would cause the rpices to jump high. Eventually, it will be, I am sure.

It is already standard on S60 T5s, V70T5s and S80 T6s, as it will be standard in the XC90 and the upcoming S60R.

Yes, Volvo staff SHOULD know anout this great feature but the key word here is "should".

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You said:

"Now, since I live the the US, a LOT of options aren't available and NO SINGLE DEALER has an AWD with DSTC".

I just want to let you know that I ordered a S60 AWD with DSTC, Cold Weather Package, Premium Package and Touring Package on 1/22 and I was informed by my Dealer that it arrived in their lot yesterday (3/20). They just need to prep the car and install the fog lights, so I should take delivery on Saturday. Can't wait to see it! It is Metallic Black Saphire with Graphite Leather interior. Should be awesome!

When I wanted this car back in December, NO ONE had a DSTC version in stock. In fact, they weren't even shipping DSTC S60s yet to the US. I was on a "wait list" for an "Open Order", but got tired of waiting and called around a lot until I found a dealer with an "Open Allocation" for a "Changeable Car" (whatever that is). I settled with the dealer on the details on 1/22 and they told me it would be 6 to 8 weeks to get the car. They were right on the money, since it just arrived.

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"Now, since I live the the US, a LOT of options aren't available and NO SINGLE DEALER has an AWD with DSTC".
How hard is it to bring a car into the US from Canada? I hear the Canadian cars are available from the lot with DSTC and I only live 4 hours from Toronto...hmmmmm..
 

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Well, my conclusion to all of this is that the U.S. Market gets screwed, of course, that's how it's always been...


Neways, good luck on finding your dream s60!
 

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Hey, cschmelz, I'm wondering the same thing! How hard is it to buy a car in Canada and bring it back across? Has anyone out there got info on what type of paperwork & customs "stuff" it takes to buy one there, then get it all set up back over here (registration, plates, duties/taxes/import fees)?
 

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Originally posted by Lisa62:
Hey, cschmelz, I'm wondering the same thing! How hard is it to buy a car in Canada and bring it back across? Has anyone out there got info on what type of paperwork & customs "stuff" it takes to buy one there, then get it all set up back over here (registration, plates, duties/taxes/import fees)?
It happens over here on the West Coast alot. The cars are significantly cheaper over the border so people from the small towns near the border come over since the small town dealerships gouge due to lack of competition and the cars are just cheaper here than in Seattle. For awhile there even the Detroit built vehicles were cheaper here, go figure.

The paperwork from what I hear isn't hard and it should be no problem from a technical point of view unless your bringing it to California.

I'm sure somebody else on this forum has more detailed info.

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It happens over here on the West Coast alot. The cars are significantly cheaper over the border so people from the small towns near the border come over since the small town dealerships gouge due to lack of competition and the cars are just cheaper here than in Seattle. For awhile there even the Detroit built vehicles were cheaper here, go figure.

The paperwork from what I hear isn't hard and it should be no problem from a technical point of view unless your bringing it to California.

I'm sure somebody else on this forum has more detailed info.

Pat

Even if you can do this (which is illegal as far as VCNA is concerned), you WILL run into problems such as warranty work, resale value (if it is found that it is a Canadian car you can be assured that it is half worthless) along with the fact that you will have to convert the instrument panel from miles to kilometers and the climate controls from Fahrenheit to Celsius, not a cheap proposal. If it were possible (and legal, above all) then everyone would be doing it...

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Thanks, both of you. I got kind of geeked up when I read the post about how this can/does happen in the Vancouver/Seattle area, but on the flip side, Yannis has some valid points. Yup - I guess if it was as legal & easy as I'd hoped, why isn't everybody doing it? I know I'm not the first person who's ever had that thought! Otherwise we'd have nothing but Canadian-spec vehicles tootin' around up here in all these states that border Canada. And we don't.

As for the homologation differences, I must admit that the metric-spec cluster would not bother me. Many of us us who live up here & travel through Southwestern Ontario on occasion have to do the conversions in our heads when we take our US-spec cars on trips over there. Your point about resale, though, is *key*.

The upfront savings (even if was "do-able" with a minimal amount of shenanigans) probably don't really outweigh the downstream consequences of owning a Canadian-spec S60.
 

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To the moderator, & the rest of you Volvo S60 nuts:
As for the OTHER female (mentioned above) thinking she may be the only one, well...for now she just MAY be the only "real" female member, b/c she probably OWNS one, and I don't (yet)!!! But hopefully that'll change soon, and I can be a real member rather than somebody who's just lurking.

I don't yet HAVE my S60 (notice how I already say "my"?) -- this purchase is still in the "pending approval" phase. We go for a test drive this weekend. Oh, don't get me wrong. *I* am sold on it. But, as many of you know, if you're married and trying to live within a budget, ALL big financial decisions/purchases go through agonizing amounts of scrutiny (as they should). It comes down to analysis of vehicle specs/data, test drives, and the ability to afford Car X vs. Car Y (vs. Minivan Z -- a very lame option, imho, that doesn't hold a candle to the S60 in ANY attribute other than price). As for me opting for the base non-Turbo 2.4, well, I'm no boy-racer. I'd be happy just to be in a Volvo, any Volvo, versus the other two or three cars/SUVs on our short list at the moment.

"What BLASPHEMY!" you all cry in unison! I can almost see you T5 drivers with the 17-inchers and chips CRINGING from right here at my computer. Well, sorry, folks...some of us have financial constraints that don't allow for such niceties as sunroofs - n - Tethys - n - turbos, oh my! :)

Well, gonna go for the test drive, and we'll see what happens. I'm thinking about a silver/graphite leather 2.4 with 16" MIMAS alloys. Maybe, just MAYBE, I'll get to be a "full-fledged, bona fide member", an OWNER, in few weeks/months?! I'll be an owner subsisting on Wonder bread, mac-n-cheese, & water, but I'll be an owner, nonetheless. (It's all about priorities, right, guys?) Ha ha ha...
 

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Do you really think the buying decision comes down to specs /finances / stats??

I spent months researching and analyzing a more "upscale" car to replace my wife's Subaru Legacy GT Sedan. We wanted something that would be an AWD 4 Door Sedan and had a price range up to the low 40's. After pouring through Car & Driver test guides, Consumer Reports ratings and numerous web sites, I came down to a "short list" of:
1) Subaru Legacy GT Sedan (yes, same car!)
2) Volvo Passat V6 4-Motion
3) BMW 325xi (AWD version!)
4) Audi A4
5) "Preowned" Audit A6 (new A6 was out of our price range).
6) Jaguar X-Type (AWD)
7) Volvo S60 AWD

I poured over specs / test results / etc and here is what it came down to:

1) Subaru Legacy GT Sedan - "Same Car I have now, not interested".
2) Volvo Passat V6 4-Motion - "Looks like a big ugly bubble... and everyone has one".
3) BMW 325xi (AWD version!)- "Too loud and noisy, would drive me crazy if I owned it".
4) Audi A4 - "Ugly"
5) "Preowned" Audi A6 (new A6 was out of our price range) - "Bigger, and still Ugly"
6) Jaguar X-Type (AWD) - "Butt Ugly"
7) Volvo S60 AWD - "Very Nice. Rides like silk. I'll take mine in Black Sapphire with Black Leather please.."

Car Buying is as much "art" as "science", with quite a lot of "whim" thrown in!! She didn't even bother to test drive half the cars on the list.

My 2 cents.

Michael
 
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