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I write this with great sadness in my heart. <p>My V70R is in the shop with 4C issues. I was lucky enough to grab an XC70 T6 as a loaner (thank you Don Beyer Dulles). I picked up the car this morning and drove it home tonight. <p>I have to say that I would never buy this car. <p>The engine and transmission are fantastic. Volvo nailed that part for sure. The engine has a boat load of torque down low..under 2,000 RPM in 6th and the car still pulls. <p>The interior...well, I've gone on about interiors for this car before, and this one is no different. The seats, IMO, are terrible (for me at least). No side support, push me in weird places. The interior just isn't all that special, either. It's too plain, IMO, for the price. <p>The Infotainment is ok. Compared to Audi it sucks. Compared to others it's just ok. <p>The way the ride / handling of this car is set up is very Buick-like. It floats and is very wallowy. <p>The price of the car is on the expensive side, IMO. <p>I'll have to see what the V70 RDesign is like and if it corrects the ride and handling fobiles as well as the seats. But of course, it's got the wrong powertrain. <p>Volvo.....the R might be my last car with the Iron Mark. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: My XC70 T6 Loaner (Needsdecaf)

I was resigned to getting an XC70 T6. But the more I drive the car, the more I like it. <p>It's not an R. Or an Audi. That's kind of why I like it. I'd love a slightly stiffer suspension but with my back problems, the XC70 is working out for me a lot better than my 2005 V50 T5 AWD, which had a stiffer suspension.<p>I thought the lack of side bolstering would really hurt my back. Quite the opposite, actually. Everyone who's been in the car (a whopping 5 people--I've only had the car for a few days) comments almost instantly on how comfortable the seats are. I've spent good chunks of time in the driver's seat and I have to say, I'm pleasantly surprised.<p>It's a big car and drives like a big car, and I agree about the engine and transmission. That's why I wouldn't get the 3.2L. It's not a perfect car, nor is it a car for everyone. I'm warming to it, though, and not as some form of post-purchase rationalization.<p>Can't beat the cargo handling. I've already thrown the front seat down and brought home some really nice boards from the lumber yard.
 

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Re: My XC70 T6 Loaner (etherfarm)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>etherfarm</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was resigned to getting an XC70 T6. But the more I drive the car, the more I like it. <p>It's not an R. Or an Audi. That's kind of why I like it. I'd love a slightly stiffer suspension but with my back problems, the XC70 is working out for me a lot better than my 2005 V50 T5 AWD, which had a stiffer suspension.<p>I thought the lack of side bolstering would really hurt my back. Quite the opposite, actually. Everyone who's been in the car (a whopping 5 people--I've only had the car for a few days) comments almost instantly on how comfortable the seats are. I've spent good chunks of time in the driver's seat and I have to say, I'm pleasantly surprised.<p>It's a big car and drives like a big car, and I agree about the engine and transmission. That's why I wouldn't get the 3.2L. It's not a perfect car, nor is it a car for everyone. I'm warming to it, though, and not as some form of post-purchase rationalization.<p>Can't beat the cargo handling. I've already thrown the front seat down and brought home some really nice boards from the lumber yard. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Drove it back to work today. More observations:<p>Yes, it's a big car, and yes it's got an SUV ride height. But it doesn't HAVE to drive that way, that's just the way Volvo set it up. For comparison, I have an '07 MDX (non-sport) which used to be my DD for a year. It's bigger than the XC70 and holds more stuff, has as much ground clearance yet the ride is not in the least bit floaty. It's definitely not as good at smothering bumps, but the ride isn't harsh either, like my R. Just because the vehicle's size is big doesn't mean it has to drive that way. <p>Seats...they just aren't comfortable for my wife or I. I am tall - 6'2" and big (wide shoulders, big overall) and the seat cushion is not long enough (common problem for me, including in the MDX to some degree). But they're not wide enough and have zero bolstering, so they don't hold me at all. My wife noticed the same thing. The seats in our '01 S40 were better (actually, I even liked those better than the R!!!). <p>My biggest problem is the interior just does not go that extra step. The edge of the center console is sharp and the material on the console is hard and scratchy - the XC60 does a better job with this. The door cards are plain and feel cheap. They're big because of the door size, but again, the MDX does a better job (maybe it's my reaction to the acres of tan plastic and leather but there could be better contouring and design to break up the big slab o' space. There are other little niggles that just let it down in a vehicle with an MSRP pushing past 45k. <p>I guess I am dissapointed because I'd really love a V70 T6 R Design to replace my '04 R. But the T6 thing is a stumbling block and the car just doesn't feel special enough for the price. <p>It's got good space, though, that's for sure. A bit more that my current R, I'd wager.
 

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Re: My XC70 T6 Loaner (Needsdecaf)

I don't get it, why is Volvo still not offering the 4C suspension in the US? I understsand they want to keep the price of the car down but it is such a great suspention that this would most probably sell good, specially with the T6. It would be easy to offer it in the US as VCNA already imports it for Canada (much smaller market). I don't get it...<p>The suspension on my car (with the 4C) is, I beleive, one of the strong feature of my car, definitively not a weakness.<p>As for the seats, I agree that they don't offer as much support as my previous Volvo but I can't complain about their comfort.
 

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Re: My XC70 T6 Loaner (Needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My biggest problem is the interior just does not go that extra step. The edge of the center console is sharp and the material on the console is hard and scratchy - the XC60 does a better job with this. The door cards are plain and feel cheap. They're big because of the door size, but again, the MDX does a better job (maybe it's my reaction to the acres of tan plastic and leather but there could be better contouring and design to break up the big slab o' space. There are other little niggles that just let it down in a vehicle with an MSRP pushing past 45k.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>On most things other than the comments about the suspension, I guess I'd have to say my opinion differs and these observations are of course subjective. I like that these Volvos are understated yet elegantly designed in their interiors; it makes them simultaneously more upscale than previous offerings but doesn't prevent me from treating them with kid gloves (i.e., I don't have second thoughts about throwing the front seat down, putting a tarp down, and carrying lumber inside the car). I take car of my cars, but I use them, I don't treat them like a museum. And while I like some pep in the engine, my driving tastes are actually more like a grandmother. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Sounds like I found a good car, then, eh? <p>The light interior is a bit more monolithic in its expansiveness, however, than the darker interior. It gives the feeling of more space, which is nice, but it also makes you feel like you're in a big room without anything on the walls. I, like you, the center stack on the XC60 better--the wood waterfall is gorgeous. <p>Seems like R enthusiasts want another R, which is totally understandable. It also seems those in the U.S. are not going to get that car anytime soon, just one that looks like it.
 

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Re: My XC70 T6 Loaner (etherfarm)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>etherfarm</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>Seems like R enthusiasts want another R, which is totally understandable. It also seems those in the U.S. are not going to get that car anytime soon, just one that looks like it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Others have said this as well. Please do not think that I am viewing the car through R colored glasses. Yes, I prefer that ride / handling on the sporty side. But even compared to other utes I have / had ('99 Jeep Grand Cherokee, '02 Nissan Pathfinder LE, '07 Acura MDX) the ride is just too "floaty". Soft and rolly I don't mind, but I hate it when the ride is not tied down. <p>The XC60 I drove is, as JRL has mentioned, MUCH better, and not at all harsh. <p>As for the interior, I hear you with design. I'm not looking for anything overwrought, and if anything, the center stack of my MDX is an exercise in overstated design. But make the materials out of something more premium. The center console is just raw and cheap feeling, like a computer (hard sharp plastic) and not befitting a $45k plus car. <p>I guess my frustration is the fact that this could be a really great car if it had that extra 5%. Maybe I am just too picky. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>Edit: The interior of the XC60 is much more successful, in my mind: <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=105345" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=105345</A>
 

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Re: My XC70 T6 Loaner (Needsdecaf)

The 4C experience would go a long way. Interesting comment on the seats. I too found the cushion too short. I could not get comfortable and the a$$ went numb after 1/2 hour.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I guess my frustration is the fact that this could be a really great car if it had that extra 5%. Maybe I am just too picky. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, it's your money, you have the right to be picky. And as they say, it is that last 5% that takes 90% of the effort.<p>I don't mind the materials in the cabin. Again, I don't have the beige interior; I love the environmental effect, for lack of a better term, of the lighter interior, but I think it's probably more apt to show flaws. The gray interior to me reminds me a bit of the many 08/09 BMWs I've rented in Germany. <p>And yeah, the XC60 interior is really nice. I love the sunroof. I hate, however, the x-design seats (aesthetically; ergonomically they were on par with my V50, which were very good but a bit narrow for my shoulders--I have _very_ wide shoulders).<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ktm_525</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 4C experience would go a long way. Interesting comment on the seats. I too found the cushion too short. I could not get comfortable and the a$$ went numb after 1/2 hour.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Time will tell whether the seats are good or not good for my back. So far so good. I have the problem of being very wide in the shoulders and rather average throughout the length of my body. I guess that works out for me in regards to these seats. <p>There are no shortage of options available elsewhere that I would love to have on this car; this has been discussed ad naseum. 4C and the ventilated seats being among them. I wonder if dealers can tune the suspension so that it's a little closer to "sport" than to "comfort", or whether that's cost-prohibitive.<p>Anyway, my wife likes not feeling every bump in the road. I agree with Needsdecaf--the ride is a little "floaty" but not so much that I object entirely (ever driven a Caddy? A Ford van or pickup? THAT's floaty!).<p>-n
 

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I disagree with the comments regarding the interior - I find it perfect, nicer than any car I have seen. The materials are better than that of the XC60. The ride comfort is terrific. The car does not feel cramped (unlike the old V70).<p>No car will satify everyone, but for counterpoint, I think Volvo got this car pefectly. My only wish would be to get the same engine and AWD system in the V70.
 

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Nicer than any other car you have seen? That's a pretty serious statement and I guess you've never sat in an Audi or Mercedes. <p>Now that I think about it, didn't they wrap the console edge in the new S80? If they do that in this car, it would go a long way to helping. <p>I love the turning radius in this vehicle, so much better than my R. <p>
 

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I do not like the Volkswagen-esqe traits of Audi. Part sharing is too obvious. I never owned one , nor would I ever buy one.<p>I had a Mercedes. I do not like the interior - too many "stuck on parts" rather than a flowing interior . It depends though on the model (some are nicer than others).<p>I stand by my statement; for ME, the interior is the nicest I have ever seen. My point is that one car cannot be everything to everyone. Just because you feel let down by the interior, that does not mean this is the general consensus. I like it.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rovermark</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do not like the Volkswagen-esqe traits of Audi. Part sharing is too obvious. I never owned one , nor would I ever buy one.<p>I had a Mercedes. I do not like the interior - too many "stuck on parts" rather than a flowing interior . It depends though on the model (some are nicer than others).<p>I stand by my statement; for ME, the interior is the nicest I have ever seen. My point is that one car cannot be everything to everyone. Just because you feel let down by the interior, that does not mean this is the general consensus. I like it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was not talking about the layout. Most of it is very nice / enjoyable. But the 5% lets it down....overall materials aren't nice enough and the center console edging is just horrific. <p>Still have the car (hopefully it'll go back tomorrow) and been driving it around this weekend so I have some additional thoughts. <p>Seats...still no good. The wife agrees also. You sit on them, not in them, and they are just not supportive enough. The bottom cushion is too short and my wife complains that her legs get tired having to hold themselves up over long trips. We are both tall people with long legs, so that may be specific to us. <p>The interior is definitely more airy than the P2 V70 / S60's. We don't feel as hemmed in, although that car isn't exactly cozy. <p>The turning radius is awesome!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Engine / trans continues to delight...except I'm watching the gas gauge drop rapidly. Stop and go traffic does not make your wallet happy. I bet it's running on 87 octane though (it is a loaner) and I bet it would be an absolute peach on 93 octane....and to think, IPD has a tune as well.... Hmm. <p>Love the bluetooth phone integration. It's even better than in my Acura. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Except the "Last 10" phone calls does not match my actual last 10 dialed or received in any way. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Love the fact that I can turn off the DRL's from the main menu. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Hate the fact that they come back on after every re-start. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> Can you change this? (No manual in the car). <p>Overall if they made some more Volvo-esque seats this car would be much better. <p>The ride, well, it's still pretty floaty. Much more so than a P2 XC70 (my in-laws have an '07). Some better sways would probably help. <p>I really would like to see what a V70 T6 R Design would be like..... Volvo, I think you can sell these here. Come on!!!
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The turning radius is awesome!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have to agree, and I'm totally surprised about this. This car is significantly larger than my V50 was, and I don't need to 3-point turn to pull a U-turn on my street. Impressive.<p>I don't get the last 10 dialed numbers either. Or the misspelled UI: dialled? How does a misspelling make it into production car software?!<p>Out of curiosity, why don't people, and it seems to me to be limited to the R-types, like DRLs?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>etherfarm</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Out of curiosity, why don't people, and it seems to me to be limited to the R-types, like DRLs? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>They like the thrill of increasing their chances of being in a head on collision? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lotus99</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>They like the thrill of increasing their chances of being in a head on collision? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm not going to get into a discussion regarding this. It's useless because the reasons are personal and cannot be objectively defended. <p>Nonetheless I turned in the loaner today. Had it for 5 days start to finish, including a weekend. Overall it is a very nice vehicle and my biggest complaint remains the seats. Fuel mileage also seemed crappy...I didn't run through a whole tank so I was unable to calculate mileage, but I reset the computer when I got it. Doing my normal back and forth to work plus some side trips, the average was 17 mpg. Compare to 19.5 to 20 in the R (both indicated on the gauge and calculated via fillups) and that's not a great statistic. <p>Of course I am sure that this car is living on a diet of 87 octane so not sure what 93 would do for it at all. But still, dissapointing there. And of course the gauge is not a substitute for long term tracking of fillups. But considering it has a 6 speed trans and I tried to drive it as normally as possible, it should be better. Here's hoping the DI version does better. <p>Overall I got around the interior...still disappointing but not as bad as I first wrote. The suspension never won me over, but it's not bad if you're looking for a super comfy ride. <p>Overall a decent vehicle let down by a couple of points (some small, some not).
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I'm not going to get into a discussion regarding this. It's useless because the reasons are personal and cannot be objectively defended. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>For the record, I didn't write what Lotus99 wrote, and wasn't implying you were being careless or whatever.<p>I actually am interested in why someone would want to turn off DRLs. Is it an aesthetic thing or a libertarian "I should be free to turn on my lights" thing? No defense of your position necessary from my point of view. But as you were. <p><br>
 

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My reply was tongue in cheek... wasn't implying anything about him per se. <p>I know up here where there are lots of rainy and grey days, the DRL's on during the day make a HUGE difference. I've been shocked how late one can see an oncoming car when they don't have DRL's. Probably why they're required in most safety conscious countries in the world now.
 

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Re: My XC70 T6 Loaner (Needsdecaf)

Needs,<p>I think your opinions are jaundiced because Volvo will not bring the V70 T6 to the US.<p>The XC60 has a better interior? Are you on drugs? The aluminum trim scratches much easier than the plastic. I hated the aluminum trim in my old V50. Any time a watch, bracelet, ring or any other jewelry touched that stuff it was a guaranteed scratch and ding. Plus the awful reflections of sunlight and the way it oxidizes and looses its luster. No thanks. Oh and that wart on the XC60 dash, still fugly.<p>The modern wood accents in the XC70 are gorgeous; they are the first thing everyone comments on when they get in the car. You go on and on about the plastic console surround having a sharp edge. I've been driving the car for 6 months now and I haven't felt a single sharp edge anywhere, let alone on the surround. The doors have soft, rich feeling materials and pleasing curved shapes. I grant you that the seats are not the best Volvo has ever made, but no production seat will satisfy you unless it has adjustable thigh support; I think that means you should be shopping at the BMW store.<p>My bluetooth works great. Last ten dialed calls, missed calls and received calls are all available. Only a certain number of contacts in my phone book are available (I haven't counted, I think it's around 20), and I would prefer the whole list be available. <p>I also disagree that the XC70 has an SUV ride height. In the last week I have ridden/driven a RX400h, a Tahoe, and Explorer. One must climb up into all of them. The V70 one falls down into. The XC70 is at normal chair height. <p>Suspension tuning is a bit like seat preference. An XC70 is an (almost) all-terrain, all-weather vehicle. XC70s are taken off pavement more often than XC90s according to Volvo's research. The target audience of this vehicle doesn't want slot car handling and the crappy ride that comes with it. Sure 4C might give one the best of both worlds, but then why was your R in the shop? Oh yeah, 4C. No thanks. <p>The only electronically adjustable suspension system in the world that is worth having is the GM/Delphi system that (was) is optional on the base Corvette, is standard on the ZR1 and has been licensed by Ferrari and others.<p>And what is it with people continually carping about the gas mileage? Show me another mid-size all wheel drive wagon that gets significanty better mileage with comparable acceleration? Not the A6, 535xi or E350.<p>Price? Same thing. Show me another mid-size all wheel drive wagon that has all the luxury features and quiet ride of the XC for under $50k. Not the A6, 535xi or E350. And the tin-can Subarus are way too loud and don't have half the luxury features of the XC. And Subaru doesn't make a mid size wagon any more. They cancelled the Legacy wagon and have made the Outback into a tall SUV-like abomination.<p>You, I and all the wagon lovers on SS that live in the USA live in the wrong part of the world. One of the coolest things about OSD was driving on European roads for a couple of weeks, rarely seeing an SUV, and seeing more station wagons than four door sedans. I seriously doubt that Volvo will bother bringing future versions of the V50 and V70 to the US. The miniscule number of wagons (all brands) sold in this country doesn't jsutify it. Even Audi has scaled back their wagon offerings, no A4 V6 avants, no manual tranny avants, no S4 avants.<p>So, Needs, I think not only will you be done with Volvo, you will be done with new cars, unless you want to bring in a grey market car because when even Audi and Subaru are giving up on wagons, you know the wagon market is dead.
 

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Re: My XC70 T6 Loaner (BarentsBlueV50)

Seriously Needs, this:<p><IMG SRC="http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/477744/HPIM6458.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>is better than this?<br><IMG SRC="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/jgrotz/XC70Interior.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>That is a huge waterfall of brown plastic in front of the passenger in the XC60. I much prefer the XC70 with the modern wood inserts.
 
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