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Here is a list of problems with my car:<p>Scratched door bumper on pickup - fixed by dealer<br>Buggy Radio (radio would randomly lockup) - software fix<br>Buggy Temperature control -software fix<br>Side Mirror Light fell out - manufacturing defect?<br>Steering failure - required a tow - Circuit board fried!!!<br>Air Bag Sensor flakey (required recalibration)<p>Today... my tempature controls acted up again! I think there is something wrong with the electronics when the temp is >35 degrees.<p>I almost fainted in my car... it was blasting out HOT AIR in 35 degree temps. The interior of the car must have been >45 degrees. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>7 problems in 12 months ... <p>I downloaded a list of of Tech-Net bullentins ... I'm going to take it in and demand the dealership fix every single issue I have on the list (funny thing is - they told me these problems were "unknown" when I could find the Volvo Tech-Net postings on google... gee).<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by coolspot18 at 3:52 PM 5-30-2006</i>
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (coolspot18)

If it makes you feel any better, I've had the following issues so far:<p>- Blown clutch. Although I still believe that the problem began with the slave cylinder and I think the stealership wrote it off as a clutch replacement since they knew that the slave cylinder would be replaced anyway as its once piece with the TO bearing. More money in their pocket this way.<br>- Faulty driverside window operation<br>- Faulty ignition switch<p>All problems occurred within 3 weeks of each other. Since then, I've been problem free (knocks on wood)
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (coolspot18)

Buggy software seems to be common with the S40/V50. I wouldn't be surprised to find out they hired Microsoft to develop their code.<p>I also have had problems with my radio and temperature control that required software upgrades. Nothing that's disabled the car but it has been annoying. In my car's cases, "Rebooting" it would fix the problems temporarily(By rebooting I mean pulling over, turning the car's ignition all the way off and then restarting the car) Much like having to reboot your PC after it's locked up.
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (v50t5black)

<A HREF="https://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2002/apr02/04-29volvopr.mspx" TARGET="_blank">https://www.microsoft.com/pres....mspx</A>
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (w1ntson)

My S40 has been on the lift for two weeks now. Cause: Defective timing belt. Bent every single valve!!!!! But its all covered by warranty and I am missing my car soooo bad!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (v50t5black)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>v50t5black</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Buggy software seems to be common with the S40/V50. I wouldn't be surprised to find out they hired Microsoft to develop their code.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>In my experience most issues fixed by a "reboot" are caused by poorly written client software that leaks memory/handles/resources, etc. NOT by the OS. <p>FWIW Toyota, Honda, et. al. also use MSFT automotive products under the hood in certain vehicles and they don't have these problems.
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (quick)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>quick</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In my experience most issues fixed by a "reboot" are caused by poorly written client software that leaks memory/handles/resources, etc. NOT by the OS. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>M$ has created not only OS, but a lot of apps as well... (just a correction)
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (quick)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>quick</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>In my experience most issues fixed by a "reboot" are caused by poorly written client software that leaks memory/handles/resources, etc. NOT by the OS. <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Of course a well written OS would not allow client software to perform actions that require a reboot in the first place <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>UKMatt
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (ukmatt)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ukmatt</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Of course a well written OS would not allow client software to perform actions that require a reboot in the first place <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>UKMatt</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Too bad such an OS does not exist.
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (MarvynDT)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MarvynDT</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Too bad such an OS does not exist.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Most modern UNIX variants do a much better job than anything from Mr Gates' people... <p>UKMatt
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (d_man)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>d_man</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>M$ has created not only OS, but a lot of apps as well... (just a correction)</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yep. But not for a car-based application. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ukmatt</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Most modern UNIX variants do a much better job than anything from Mr Gates' people... </TD></TR></TABLE><br>*shrug* It's easy to make subjective comments like this w/o factual data to back up. In fact, OS researchers use Windows for a research platform in many cases as it is a more advanced design. Please refer to online papers for proof. <p>Additionally, recent compiler versions have some memory sandboxing-type functionality built in. The .NET runtime also provides some protections. <p>Fundamentally how can an OS deterministically say whether a resource should be freed when a requesting application still has references, etc.? <p>All software is susceptible to defects -- just look at the Mars lander crashes for evidence. That was all caused by a conversion error.
 

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As a software engineer this is an interesting thread for me. The purpose of any engineering change is to make a product better/faster/cheaper, but software also allows a very cheap way to code and install fixes. And there's the problem. Because software is viewed as easily changed, it's very tempting to write the code as if things can be fixed in release n+1. Think about it -- if the dealer can get your car to the dealership for regular maintenance, they can download all sorts of changes. And cheaply. And the dealers don't have to worry about keeping the updated parts in inventory. As long as engineers -- and their managers -- know there is another release and that implementation is cheap, they don't have to get it right the first time. <p>Suppose on the other hand that the delaer would have to replace the entire radio head unit rather than making a software patch. Quite expensive, and then the likelyhood that more time would be spent on getting the design right. Just MHO. <br>
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (quick)

<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>quick</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">*shrug* It's easy to make subjective comments like this w/o factual data to back up. In fact, OS researchers use Windows for a research platform in many cases as it is a more advanced design. Please refer to online papers for proof. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I didn't notice the online papers you were referencing.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>You would think a life time of blue screens would be enough proof.<p>How switching from UNIX to Windows shut down LAX. LAX switch from UNIX machines to Windows machines. The more advanced Windows machines were required to be rebooted every 30 days to prevent a shutdown that would occur every 49.7 days. "The shutdown was intended to keep the system from becoming overloaded with data and potentially giving controllers wrong information"<p><A HREF="http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=2275" TARGET="_blank">http://www.techworld.com/opsys...=2275</A><p><A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/09/14/lax.stoppage" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/09/14/lax.stoppage</A>/<p><A HREF="http://software.silicon.com/applications/0,39024653,39124122,00.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://software.silicon.com/ap...0.htm</A><p>Identified in Windows 95<p>From Microsoft:<br>"SYMPTOMS<br>After 49.7 days of continuous operation, your Windows-based computer may stop responding (hang)."<p><A HREF="http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q216/6/41.asp&NoWebContent=1" TARGET="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/d...ent=1</A><p>Any OS can and will have flaws. How the owner of that software responds to those issues is very telling.<p>Microsoft identified a flaw in Windows 95 yet in 2004 their operating system still had the problem. That is pretty shoddy quality control.<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>quick</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fundamentally how can an OS deterministically say whether a resource should be freed when a requesting application still has references, etc.? <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>In the case of an embedded system it should be simple. With an embedded system you have control of what processes are allowed to run on your system and what resources they will be allocated. This is unlike a general computer that has to support an end user installing their own software. <p>As an example each process is written to use only 'X' bytes of memory period. The OS is setup to only allocate that process 'X' bytes of memory. If a process requests more memory then it was intended to it is restarted. Of course ideally you should never have to force a process to restart but it would be better than forcing all process to restart by restarting your car.<br>
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (coolspot18)

My v50 was plauged with issues over the 1st 1.5 years.<p>Radio issues<br>Wind noise<br>Window seals<br>3 foglighs due to leaks<br>rear hatch rattles<br>alignment issues improperly diagnosed eating a set of tires<p>AND<p>Coplete igniton failure strandung my wife and 2 year old son ..it required complete igniton replacement.<p>Forthe 1st year and a half i aveerged over 1 serivece visit per MONTh.<p>The last 3-4 months have finally been relativley problem free. <p>You aren't the only one <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>All you can do is take solice that after a long enough time they might actually sort things out..maybe in time to sell or trade it in?
 

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Total 22,000 miles. I had the radio freeze. One software update and no problems. Otherwise, absolutely and completely trouble free.
 

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After 1 week of ownership, I had a major oil leak on the floor in the garage.....I was very disappointed. It turned out to be a hole drilled and tapped too deep into the block. They simply put a bolt in the tapped hole and sealed off the leak. Anyone else had this problem on their 2.4i?<p>Jeff
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (coolspot18)

Let's start a "My Volvo S40 has been a POS" club... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>sss and one software update. Don't think i qualify for membership though.
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (Dills)

They are STILL using timing belts and interference motors? Hasn't Volvo learned by now that you either do it like Mazda and do non-interference with a belt, or like America has done forever and use chains? Timing belts and interference motors don't mix. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: My Volvo S40 has been a POS? (v50t5black)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>v50t5black</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I didn't notice the online papers you were referencing.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorry -- I don't have time to go dig it up. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You would think a life time of blue screens would be enough proof.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The plural of anecdote != fact. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Identified in Windows 95</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That was released over 10 years ago, and as indicated by your evidence it was fixed in '99. Is the '06 V50 superior to the '05 via product fixes? That's how the market works -- there are no exceptions for cars or software. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any OS can and will have flaws. How the owner of that software responds to those issues is very telling.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes -- and look at the Secure Windows Initiative as the right way to respond. Or the free Quick Assistance cards for end users. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Microsoft identified a flaw in Windows 95 yet in 2004 their operating system still had the problem.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This appears to be a misstatement. <p>The problem was in a driver (if you read the article on Microsoft's website). The fix was published in <b>1999</b>. Blame the folks at LAX for a lax IT shop. If you're familiar with running a high-availability business then you'll see from these articles that LAX had a poorly run IT shop. Missing patches and SLA's -- where was their DSL for their server buildout? Where were their monitoring specs and alerts? <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In the case of an embedded system it should be simple.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Embedded systems are ideal environments. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As an example each process is written to use only 'X' bytes of memory period. The OS is setup to only allocate that process 'X' bytes of memory. If a process requests more memory then it was intended to it is restarted.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What about cases when a cruddy driver overwrites memory beyond it's allocated space? Your example is just one scenario out of infinite. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><br>
 
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