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I made my second trip to the track today. The local dealer offered the performance driving class for $295 instead of the $475 I paid 2.5 months ago! So I signed my Dad up as a gift and took the class again with him. In between I had upgraded my brakes with the titanium shims and Steel braided lines so I would have no hesitation to push the brakes to the max.<p>Coincindentally, since my R is only 1.5 years old, I've refrained from reading any car magazines. I finally picked one up in the airport last week (Road and Track I think) and they had a review of the Audi RS4. I was drooling by the end of the article "best perfroming sedan at the track they have ever tested" or something to that effect. 420 something HP, beautiful interior. But pricey. But hey, I figure I should upgrade each time I purchase a new car so why not set my sights on it?<p>Class had about 20 or so cars in two groups. Guess what car was in front of me in my group, yep, an RS4. At first I was depressed. Temps today were in the low to mid 80's. I just have the BSR Stage 1 and TME springs. I forked out $6 a gallon for the 100 octane plus the 1/4 of 92 which gave me an effective 98 octane. Drove the car a little. Did the ECU reset right before the class.<p>When it came to the lapping sessions it was not totally suprising I was one of the fastest cars since most of the drivers were rookies (but not all), but here's a few cars in my group: Carrera 4S, RS4, RS6 - those were the fastest (spec-wise) cars there. Pretty respectible cars. I passed them all at some point during the day. Not sure if they were just bad/conservative drivers or I was driving my R that good. Boy was it running good, even in the 83 degree whether. The 100 octane is worth the $6/gallon for tracking the R, definitely!<p>I overheard some people talking about trying to catch the Volvo. Lapping session 2, I had the RS4 in my sights in the straight away. Here was my chance. I made no ground on him of course in the straight away (but he barely gained any ground on me) but by the end of the lap I was getting the point and passing him with a big smile. I definitely pushed the R to the limits. The TME springs helped around the corners but I think it is the 100 octane that REALLY did the trick (along with the R's awesome brakes - stock pads are just fine as most people concluded here.) <p>I drove away chuckling to myself about how much that guy paid for his RS4 and got passed by a Volvo at the track. Must have been a very humbling experience for him. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> I suppose with a better driver in the RS4 I probably would have never caught him but he was a young guy like myself (mid-late 30's) and I don't think he was wimping out.<p>My Dad said honestly he thought the R was a better looking car to boot. I tend to agree as the Audi still has a somewhat "soap bar" look, but the RS4 is a beautiful car in it's own right. The rims on the thing are the best stock wheels I've ever seen. I think I'll spend the extra $30-$40K though on new boat instead. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>I concluded that with high octane fuel (96 up) and temps below 80, I think BSR's claim of 354 HP for Stage 1 PPC is probably not far off as that is what the car felt like. I did over 120 in the straight away which is not easy to do at Pacific Raceways. I can't imagine how well it would have ran if iut was like 60 degree weather instead of 82-85. The instructor in my car was VERY impressed by the car. The uniqueness factor of a very fast Volvo sedan is pretty cool. I don't think I'll ever own a Porsche, never liked the looks that much and EVERYONE with $70K+ to spend is driving one.<p>The only downside was that on two occasions my "Chassis Settings Needs Service" warning came up, once after doing some exercises involving sharp turns at high speeds, and a second time and the end of the day when I started the car up. I just turned the ignition on and back on and it went away and hasn't come back. I just had a SUM calibration 2 weeks ago! (Maybe the car wasn't level when they did it, but more likely the track time made the springs settle a little more?) Or, is it just due to having the TME springs and doing some really hard cornering the computer sees the suspension momentarily pushed out of the range and remembers that then warns you? Or does it only determine if the settings need calibration when you initially start up the car? I honestly don't know when the warning exactly first appeared.<p>Another funny thing. I reset the MPG computer at the beginning of a lapping session. Got 6.9 MPG! The R LOVES gulping that high octane fuel!<p>I never got around to installing the cold air intake mod. I'm thinking now it may be a waste of my time. So what if there's a slight vacuumn in the intake box. I'd like to see a dyno comparison of the intake mod before taking the time to cut my R up. I was completely satisfied how it ran at the track today. But then I haven't yet gone out and ran with more veteran drivers. Then I may come home yearning for an RS4 after all - but I don't think it's a very good value still. <p>Another funny note. Probably one of the top 3 fastest cars around the track was a Cayenne S, (non-turbo). He however was the only one at one point that skidded off one of the corners and kicked up a bunch of dust. We were laughing saying he was just seeing how it did off road. Very impressive power and handling for an SUV. Unreal. But I almost asked the guy why did he buy an SUV if he is into performance driving/lapping? I thought driving a 4-dr sedan around a track was kind of weird but an SUV? <p>The kicker is that they had a Carrera GT there. He went a little faster in the straight aways than I did (160 versus 120). No one else was allowed on the track though when he was out - it was sort of an exhibition. <p>I'm one very happy R owner.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by jazee at 7:31 PM 8-7-2006</i>
 

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sounds like a good time. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> have you invested in the swaybars yet? that will also help the R's cornering abilities. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> i hope to get my springs and sways installed within the month.
 

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Re: My R Satisfaction Just Went Up - RS4 Just Went Down (jazee)

Tomorrow is supposed to only be 74 degrees. Too bad you couldn't make Tuesday but thanks for setting the bar so high for the rest of us tomorrow. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: My R Satisfaction Just Went Up - RS4 Just Went Down (jazee)

I hear the remark "catch the Volvo if you can" all the time at the Audi events. The RS4's and S4's have a lot of HP, but they are a brick. So heavy... that sometimes they need to brake 100-150 feet before the R'. The S4's are easy for me. The RS4's will become a breeze when I get the softloader. <p>Here is another tip...pull the spare tire out. You'll find you can excelerate more out of your turns. The straight aways will become an ease for pulling on the RS4's.<p>That's weird they let a SUV on the track. They are banned at all the Track events in the area.
 

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Re: My R Satisfaction Just Went Up - RS4 Just Went Down (KillerB)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KillerB</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The RS4's will become a breeze when I get the softloader. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Which softloader are you going with? Waiting for the IPD? I would like to get one but it will probably be next year as I am going to get the body kit put on first. I was really impressed by your car at the GTG in Austin and thanks again for the ride.
 

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Re: My R Satisfaction Just Went Up - RS4 Just Went Down (jazee)

Sounds like fun. Now I can't wait for tomorrow!<p>I'm one of the R's who will be out there at the Barrier event tomorrow. I've got a mix of approx 50/50 92oct/101oct, and I noticed the difference on the run home from Auburn to Shoreline. I've got none of your mods (nor track experience) though, so I'm unlikely to be keeping up with any RS4. My goal will be to not be the slowest R.<p>KR
 

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Re: My R Satisfaction Just Went Up - RS4 Just Went Down (C130)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>C130</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Which softloader are you going with? Waiting for the IPD? .</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep, waiting on iDP's softloader. Looks like any day now. Np on the ride...I love giving them out. In fact I'm giving one to Mike_c70 in the morning.
 

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Re: My R Satisfaction Just Went Up - RS4 Just Went Down (jazee)

Agreed on the 100 octane, I keep some 100-104 in there at all times after driving/racing on it just once after chip tuning in temps of upper 80's.<p>The Audi.. my nephew took a highly modded s4 around a lap at a track facility and beat the owners <I>Best</I> time by over a second.<p>At the same track...<br>He also had a bone stock new A4 that he turned faster times than many s4's.<p>Ahh, to be 20 and fearless again. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The Cayenne, I saw one the other day on the autobahn that was beating the snot out of a late 80's Ferrari, (Italian Stallion) I actually got to see let off and all but laid down in defeat. (Just like an Italian. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) <br>Just kidding <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Dzljet at 5:35 AM 8-8-2006</i>
 

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Re: My R Satisfaction Just Went Up - RS4 Just Went Down (jazee)

Jazee, great story! I'm not a tracking sort of guy, but I'll live vicariously through you...thanks!
 

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Re: My R Satisfaction Just Went Up - RS4 Just Went Down (kenschel)

Agreed, great story!!<p>What I was getting at, is like someone said about anyone with the $$, <br>..it seems often Audi drivers are these guys who perhaps have the money to buy the car, but really don't make the grade or don't fit the "drivers wanted" slogan as Audi's sibling badge carries.<br>More like a "status symbol" with guy who thinks he can drive auto.<p>Volvo's otth are often overlooked...<br>My brother built a forced induction Vette and nephew also has a 12 second 1/4 mi. wicked fast w/full track setup Syclone along with his Audi A4. <p>They both loved driving my R, even getting it a "rep" at the track when I left it with them for a few months. Many around them have a new found respect for the swedish bricks I was told. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>With the miles on it, (grrr!!) when I went to pick it up, it was not hard to believe they had regular "debates" over who was going to drive it the next day. So they enjoyed just driving it as well. <p><br><i>Modified by Dzljet at 6:28 AM 8-8-2006</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Dzljet at 6:28 AM 8-8-2006</i>
 

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Re: My R Satisfaction Just Went Up - RS4 Just Went Down (jazee)

A good driver can more than make up for a 100 hp difference at the track. Way to go! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: My R Satisfaction Just Went Up - RS4 Just Went Down (R Salesman)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R Salesman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A good driver can more than make up for a 100 hp difference at the track. Way to go! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is what I have learned. It still amazes me though that you can make up that big of a difference in power and supposedly handling capabilities. <p>I was running in reduced DTSC all the time and Advanced 4C of course. I hate that the car resets as one time after my first lap I realized I forgot to put it in Advanced and put DTSC in reduced. <p>To other R drivers coming back from the Barrier event, watch how much your adrenaline started pumping if you hit over 110 MPH going into turn 1. You need to make sure not to let off the gas on that turn or the car will really start to float and then you'll start to sweat. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> I did it at 122 one lap and that was about as fast as my comfort zone will allow. The R's brakes will stop you in time in the braking zone in turn 2, you'll be amazed. I think 125 is probably about the fastest I could get it up to for turn 1. But from 110 on up turn 1 is a little scary.<p>Oh, and I did remove the trunk deck lid and spare! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> I've had the spare (not at the track) come loose as I didn't have it tightened down enough (probably loosened when I removed and replaced the jack once) so even though it is not THAT much weight I thought it would be good to have one less thing to worry about (spare, jack, tools) that could come loose.<p>The turn that is most fun for me is I think 5C. You can punch the R, let the tires barely hit the edge of the red/white curb on your left and the AWD kicks in and carries you up the hill on the edge of drifting but you never break loose.<p>Another amazing thing is how exhausting it is.<p>
 
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