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At least the early buyers can float around saying "first" ;)
It amazes me that sellers and buyers equally believe there’s some value in “being among the first.” Or “launch edition” or “year one” or whatever slogans have been used with first year models. Humans have the memory of fish sometimes. Our brains fall for the same bait as decades and centuries ago.

Aside from a talking point and ego, I’m unsure of any rational reason to purchase a “first” of anything.
 
Volvo is releasing new XC60 model this year. They haven’t showed anything yet though. The salesman told me it will have new suspension and stuff and also software which after reading this thread concerns me the most. Do you think it will have the same issues? I’ve already ordered one and wondering if the same issues are awaiting me…
The 2025.5 XC90 has new suspension tuning and this will end up filtering down to the 60 series too as they are refreshed. We just don't know at this point when the refresh will be released for sure.
 
Never had any issue with my 2023 XC90 Recharge. In reality the human interface system is Android based - there are hundreds of modules that could be based on anything, all communicating over various networks in the vehicle. I used to have a diagram of all the XC90 T8 components - would be great to see what this looks like for the EX90.

I personally have not put much faith in Consumer Reports; I think if you use their reviews you need to do your own factoring with their data. For example, years ago their TV reviews used to consider CB interference, and if a set was susceptible, it would be cause for a lower ranking. What if you don't have a CBer nearby, or your connected to cable?

The EX30 as a platform I believe has been around for a bit longer, no? While it is v1 for Volvo, isn't the basis of that vehicle related to a Geely / Mercedes initiative?
I have found that customers with AAOS have varying degrees of how often they need to reset the system, but I'm not sure what the pattern is. All I know is that Android phones and tablets are less stable than iOS, and the boxes from the cable companies are also Android and can become unstable for whatever reason. This is why I attribute the periodic resets to that.

I definitely don't consider any one source as a 'bible' by itself, but there are tidbits to take from all of them. The only publication I actually buy is the buyers guide from them every year because I would even have to pay for it online - and on vacation by the pool/beach I'd rather have paper and I like the fact I can leaf through the way I do. But I don't believe there is anyone in the media who is unskewed one way or the other. Most other sources look at Volvo favourably.

The EX30 is on a platform that is used by other Geely brands but it's still differentiated. I can only go from what our techs say - the computer systems in the EX30 aren't as powerful as in the EX90 but more straightforward so this is why they are less glitchy. I am quite pleased as to how smoothly the launch of the EX30 has gone here from a UX perspective.
 
Thanks for this! I’m experiencing all of the same gripes with the UI, sounds, buttons, mirrors, forgetting fob, system failure messages, Tesla message, HUD thinking the speed limit is 70 mph in an 25 mph, etc. It’s kind of relieving to know how many of these same issues you’re experiencing, as it likely means a fix will be coming.

About the seatbelt warning in the third row and the screens turning off, I haven’t experienced anything like that. However, my driver’s side window does not want to close all the way, I often need to open it and try again until it closes.
What does your warranty say?
 
I'm sorry to hear that people are experiencing issues with their new car but these things are to be expected with a new-generation vehicle, especially now when Volvo is writing all of the software by itself. Things will get better, but at least a year or two will pass before most concerns are addressed.

The EX90 is one of the first software-defined cars in the world so Volvo is basically breaking the ice with it. No legacy vehicle manufacturer has this type of car in their lineup.
It is far from being one of the first software defined cars. Tesla and other have been doing this for years. As a twice-over Tesla owner before getting my XC90 I can say that while not without occasional issues, their software and updates were far more reliable. Volvo is doing a demonstrably poor job at this.
 
It is far from being one of the first software defined cars. Tesla and other have been doing this for years. As a twice-over Tesla owner before getting my XC90 I can say that while not without occasional issues, their software and updates were far more reliable. Volvo is doing a demonstrably poor job at this.
I'm not aware that any legacy car manufacturer has a software defined car in their lineup.
 
Holy smokes, this is INSANITY, no one should ever have any sort of list THIS long with major issues immediately after buying a new car. However, IMO it's always best to avoid the "brand new platform" or version of any car so the bugs can be worked out, it's honestly more frustrating than buying a car with 100K and seeing it has all sorts of issues, it's new, it shouldn't have any!

This might start to bury volvo and has had negative impacts on other automotive manufacturers and I'm not sure any of their problem lists were this large and this significant.

I'd argue that the headlight issue alone not coming on at all warrants a safety recall!

I would never be the one to test any brand new car functionality especially one so technically advanced as this, until it was fully tested by the masses for awhile. Reading this thread is making me like our 2017 XC90 even more, although it does have some minor annoyances, everything still works as it should for the most part.
 
Wow, what a great public service message.
I had not heard the term "software-defined car". A rolling video game with a body wrapped around it instead of a plastic case. Technology gone haywire.
Volvo ought to be offering full refunds on this piece of electronics, untested and nonfunctional.
My 2007 XC70 has met its soulmate....warning systems gone haywire, providing constant warnings for things that aren't happening, from loose fuel filler cap to Major System Failure.
Is this Chinese influence?
 
Wow, what a great public service message.
I had not heard the term "software-defined car". A rolling video game with a body wrapped around it instead of a plastic case. Technology gone haywire.
Volvo ought to be offering full refunds on this piece of electronics, untested and nonfunctional.
My 2007 XC70 has met its soulmate....warning systems gone haywire, providing constant warnings for things that aren't happening, from loose fuel filler cap to Major System Failure.
Is this Chinese influence?
I think you just coined a new term! "POE"! Piece of Electronics! instead of POS, which it seems like.
 
Wow, what a great public service message.
I had not heard the term "software-defined car". A rolling video game with a body wrapped around it instead of a plastic case. Technology gone haywire.
Volvo ought to be offering full refunds on this piece of electronics, untested and nonfunctional.
My 2007 XC70 has met its soulmate....warning systems gone haywire, providing constant warnings for things that aren't happening, from loose fuel filler cap to Major System Failure.
Is this Chinese influence?
2007 is FORD influence.
 
There is not more software in Volvo than any other car. What is new and big is the one computer owned by Volvo for everything, meaning they also have to do everything in-house. Like Tesla, Rivian and many Chinese do and also other Europeans.
 
But unlike Tesla, Rivian, and many other europeans, they release the cars to the masses with this HIGH LEVEL of issues remaining.

In the software world, most of othese problems are known as show-stoppers and should not be left as unresolved anomalies before releasing the product out the door.
 
OMG just came across this article, now I can't help myself!!!


Leader Award Winners
MotorTrend’s SDV Innovator Leaders are outstanding individuals who hold a senior management position and lead a team that is transforming the automotive industry through the broad adoption and application of software solutions.
  • Anders Bell, Chief Engineering & Technology Officer, Volvo Cars, for leading the development of core computing technology underpinning the EX90, Volvo’s first vehicle to be truly software-defined from inception to production.

A bit premature of a rewarding eh?

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
I'm not aware that any legacy car manufacturer has a software defined car in their lineup.
You said “The EX90 is one of the first software-defined cars in the world so Volvo is basically breaking the ice with it.” No qualifying it with legacy.

But it doesn’t matter. It’s been done for years already, and much better. Volvo needs to up their software game to compete.
 
You said “The EX90 is one of the first software-defined cars in the world so Volvo is basically breaking the ice with it.” No qualifying it with legacy.

But it doesn’t matter. It’s been done for years already, and much better. Volvo needs to up their software game to compete.
Literally the next sentence clarifies what I said. I could've put everything in the same sentence and make the sentence a mile long but ok.
 
Is this Chinese influence?
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Tell that to Volvo's 2024, cause the former vacuum CEO and Volvo's management decisions sucked.
“Prior to joining Ember, Rowan was formerly CEO of consumer electronics company Dyson.

Ember makes high-end consumer goods — the Ember Mug and Travel Mug — equipped with precision-temperature controls that keep a coffee or tea beverage at a precise, heated temperature.”
 
OMG just came across this article, now I can't help myself!!!


Leader Award Winners
MotorTrend’s SDV Innovator Leaders are outstanding individuals who hold a senior management position and lead a team that is transforming the automotive industry through the broad adoption and application of software solutions.
  • Anders Bell, Chief Engineering & Technology Officer, Volvo Cars, for leading the development of core computing technology underpinning the EX90, Volvo’s first vehicle to be truly software-defined from inception to production.

A bit premature of a rewarding eh?

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
To be fair Anders was brought in after two previous Development Managers for SPA2 either quit or were pushed out. The last one caused a near complete engineer revolt because he (Mats Moberg) tried to introduce Agile project management. So he "resigned" and Volvo binned the Agile nonsense. But the damage was done by that point. They lacked knowledgeable leadership or enough experienced engineers to tackle the problem.

Anders is probably the only reason the car has been deliverable at all.

There's a great in-depth write-up about the debacle here:

 
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