To be honest, this thread derailed on the second post...You know, not for nothing, but this for sale thread shouldn't be about what Viva sells or any other company that makes an FMIC for our cars. It should be about the sellers FMIC, if you don't like the price then keep your post out of his FS thread. Also who cars if he spent $4-500 to make this himself in parts and welding. His time, and effort should be taken into account. No different with the other companies that charge a mark up. Just look at IPD's new silicone intake pipes.