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Have you seen this:<br> <A HREF="http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090506212717.shtml" TARGET="_blank">http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/he...shtml</A> <p>A budget cap of about 80million dollars!! Currently the teams spend about 300ish million and to drop it that much is crazy. The real kicker is the two tier system, if this goes through then I am sure we will see teams creating their own series.
 

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Re: Mosely and Ecclestone need to pull a Thelma & Louise (850arrrsaylikepirate)

Yeah yeah yeah<br>I would think that anyone who is interested in this forum knows about this.<br>This will either go away real fast or there will be MAJOR fireworks real soon.
 

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Re: Mosely and Ecclestone need to pull a Thelma & Louise (JRL)

I've been tracking this for several days and frankly, I think FOTA will put their foot down. <p>Although the idea of making the sport more approachable by privateers is very appealing, it must be accomplished in a way that won't seriously piss off the manufacturers who are <I>currently</I> in the sport. <p>"New rules" like this one seem to come up for discussion every single year and then before you can say Cat-in-the-Hat, Bernie and Max get a sobering wake up call by the teams letting them know that their $h!t actually does stink and then, just as quickly as the new rule came, an announcement of a retraction or "postponement" of the new rule is issued. <p>I expect the budget cap/two tiered approach to get a major re-think.
 

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Re: Mosely and Ecclestone need to pull a Thelma & Louise (thesternowl)

I like the idea of having more independent teams in F1 but the way they are doing it is crapy at best.<p>I love how Bernie is saying that he can now cut the advertising earnings he gives the teams too. The dude is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Mosely and Ecclestone need to pull a Thelma & Louise (850arrrsaylikepirate)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>850arrrsaylikepirate</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The dude is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Certifiably
 

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i posted over in OTF, my mistake<p>but idk how bad of an idea this is given i dont know much about the logistics of F1... its seems to me to be a salary cap for f1 <p>no one will deny they are spending rediculous amounts of money on refining these cars why not put a salary cap on it to level it out a little...<br>80 mill 60 mill ...wayyyy to low and yes i like most people agree berny is crazy <br>but i still think this would be good<br>the only people its going to p--- off is fer mcl etc big names that can throw any amount of money at their cars to make them go fast<p>for a while people have complained that its all the cars racing and not the drivers and even stopped watching or switched to Moto GP <br>the rear diffuser shows even more that the technology got those guys ahead of fer mcl bmw and that the drivers didnt miraculously get better in the off season<p>a cap will make the teams choose what they want to research and develop they might have the best engine, but their aero is poop it could possibly put more excitement into it which is exactly what the battery things and less downforce have "done" this year<p>(flamesuit on) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kentis19</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>for a while people have complained that its all the cars racing and not the drivers and even stopped watching or switched to Moto GP <br>the rear diffuser shows even more that the technology got those guys ahead of fer mcl bmw and that the drivers didnt miraculously get better in the off season<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>You can't compare Formula 1 with MotoGP. <p>Anyone who stopped watching F1 because they thought the drivers had very little to do with the outcome of the race never had any appreciation for the big picture. The drivers are only a <I>part</I> of the equation. The <U>team</U> element of F1 has the largest potential for change and that's why things can seem very lopsided from year to year.<p>MotoGP, while an exciting race series, is not even close to the level of F1 in terms of possibilities. The bikes are nearly the same and there isn't much one can do on the development side of things to create a radical innovation. F1...well...innovation is part of the sport and the fans that "get" that continue to enjoy it for what it is.<p>That being said, the politics of F1 are enough to drive <I>anyone</I> away. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by thesternowl at 7:14 AM 5-8-2009</i>
 

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^^^^^ That boy is correct, +1.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>thesternowl</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That being said, the politics of F1 are enough to drive <I>anyone</I> away. <p><i>Modified by thesternowl at 7:14 AM 5-8-2009</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>+1<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>thesternowl</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>MotoGP, while an exciting race series, is not even close to the level of F1 in terms of possibilities. The bikes are nearly the same and there isn't much one can do on the development side of things to create a radical innovation. F1...well...innovation is part of the sport and the fans that "get" that continue to enjoy it for what it is.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>dont get me wrong i dont want it to be like moto gp <I>at all</I><br>i <U>love</U> the innovation and design part of F1 especially cause i want to be an engineer, it interests me <p>what i dont want is a domination by ferrari or McL or another big name team that has large amounts of money to spend with no inhibitions<br>i think the changes this year (less downforce and the boost) helped alot with the entertainment aspect<p>but there needs to be a balance ...its wrong that so far jenson is dominating and a great driver like raikkonen is suffering, a balance needs to be found and bernie isnt the one to be doing it with his insane ideas <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>
 

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I am not sure how much balance you want. Too much balance and you got yourself stock car racing. I do agree that the spending could be reined in, so the huge teams won't dominate as much. <p>However this year the big guns are running in the middle and they have practically endless money.<p>I don't think its wrong for Jenson to be on top. His team put together a fabulous car, Ferrari didn't. Its how the pendulum of F1 racing swings.<br>
 

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i agree with about half of what you say haha including the jenson part with his team and barichello (sp?) but how about red bull pretty close to terrible last year and now this year...? thats what i dont get<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>850arrrsaylikepirate</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>However this year the big guns are running in the middle and they have practically endless money.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>points=<br>jenson 41 <br>lewis 9<br>kovalinan 4<br>massa and raikkonen 3<br>kubica 0<p>...hardly the middle<br>true they are ranked 11 12 13 ,but the feild is so much more stratisfied this year big names who are <U>proven</U> good drivers have consistantly DNF or way behind<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>850arrrsaylikepirate</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its how the pendulum of F1 racing swings. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>but for years it simply hasnt swung... until now<p>(as a side note) ferrari reliability issuses are terrible <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> and very embarrassing for them to be honest lol <br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kentis19</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i agree with about half of what you say haha including the jenson part with his team and barichello (sp?) but how about red bull pretty close to terrible last year and now this year...? thats what i dont get<p><br>points=<br>jenson 41 <br>lewis 9<br>kovalinan 4<br>massa and raikkonen 3<br>kubica 0<p>...hardly the middle<br>true they are ranked 11 12 13 ,but the feild is so much more stratisfied this year big names who are <U>proven</U> good drivers have consistantly DNF or way behind<p><br>but for years it simply hasnt swung... until now<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Again; this is not a drivers series. This is the very top of motorsports where the law of diminishing return applies in nearly every variable...this includes the drivers of whom none are slouches.<p>As for the drastic swing in dominance this year: Could be F1 politics. It could also be innovation/creative interpretation of new regs. It could be a bit of both. Unless we're privy to Bernie and Max's diabolical planning sessions, we're likely not to know for sure.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>thesternowl</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Unless we're privy to Bernie and Max's diabolical planning sessions, we're likely not to know for sure.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Only the hookers of London (who dress up like Nazis) know those plans...
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>850arrrsaylikepirate</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Only the hookers of London (who dress up like Nazis) know those plans...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Booyah!!
 

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Ferrari has spoken.<p><A HREF="http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9348.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.formula1.com/news/h....html</A><p>Expect an imminent compromise.<br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>thesternowl</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ferrari has spoken.<p><A HREF="http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9348.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.formula1.com/news/h....html</A><p>Expect an imminent compromise.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>How quickly can you say ALMS!!!
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>How quickly can you say ALMS!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Frankly, I would love to see Ferrari compete in ALMS and see a long over-due return to the 24 Heures du Mans despite how sad and dejected Enzo left the series so long ago. <p>It seems logical enough...<p>That being said, I won't hold my breath.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>thesternowl</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ferrari has spoken.<p><A HREF="http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9348.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.formula1.com/news/h....html</A><p>Expect an imminent compromise.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wow! <p>I don't think there will be a compromise. Mosely and Ecclestone are such stubborn a-holes that they will not change their mind, even if it means running F1 straight into the ground. Those fools!!<p>I say, way to go Ferrari, stand your ground!
 

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...add Renault to the list.<p>AND<p>Bernie's arrogance continues to appall: <p><A HREF="http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090513090701.shtml" TARGET="_blank">http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/he...shtml</A><p>
 

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Jim,<p>It seems others would agree (read the last paragraph on the following link)<p><A HREF="http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090513150359.shtml" TARGET="_blank">http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/he...shtml</A><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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