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hey guys ive been around the s60 fourm but havent ventured here much<p>ive been looking for an s60t but cant seem to find one manual that im satisfied with in my price range <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> ...so now im thinking about s40s cause they are really growing on me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>but as ive heard in the s60 side of things is it worth it to mod a n/a (s40) for power?<br>im not planning anything major, more like intake springs exhaust chip(if its worth it)<br>thanks all
 

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Spring for the turbo and your car will probably be faster than a modded 2.4i (n/a) when stock, then you will still have options. If you mod the 2.4i, you'll likely hit a wall and want to trade for a T5. I think it was Sana that went through that a month ago... I hope seeing this thread doesn't make him too sad...
 

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If you are looking for a lot of power stick to getting a T5. As already mentioned, a lot of people who get a 2.4 end up disappointed at the lack of performance mods available. But if you are more interested in looks, get the 2.4 and put the few thousand you saved from not buying a T5 into a body kit, springs, and wheels. There is also a pretty sick intake made by Gary that would be a good purchase should you choose to go with a 2.4i.
 

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lol.<p>Im not giving up though, but theres not much to gain unless you go to ITBs and full P&P and new internals. You could reasonably get 250-260 n/a hp with a custom tune(maybe RICA?) and the aforementioned bits.
 

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<A HREF="http://www.swededemon.com/SDM/engine.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swededemon.com/SDM/engine.html</A><br>Individual throttle bodies for each cylinder.<p>However, they wont give much of a gain without proper tuning, and supporting mods(proper cams to take advantage of high rpm power which is it be gained by going to ITBs)
 

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alright thanks <br>ya im still not sure cause ultimatly price is the biggest restriction for me<br>the n/a is 168 hp correct? and then whats the t5 at?<p>as far as my mod you guys mentioned a lot of stuff i dont think i would do<br>id most likely have to be content with small easier mods for a year or two until i stumble upon some money haha <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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T5's = 218 hp and 236 lb-ft of torque<p>My car will be one of the few that reaches 230hp and its already right around 240Nm (177lb-ft)! One day at least! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Yeah to gain any real power from ITB's you would need internals and a tune. Would give you insane throttle response for most applications however being that its throttle by wire im thinkin it still wouldnt lol.<p>Id opt for turbo, im lookin at one right now thats cheaper than the 2.4i's we have on the lot <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Sanatarium great link<p>His stage 1 is basically all the parts from our b5244s4 + 11:1 compression pistons. His upgrades are ITB's (sex) and Cams and a P&P for us. Pretty doable stuff.<p>I was playing around with my new datalogger and it looks like we have an intake manifold tuned to 1700 rpm those ITB's are deff making a gigantic difference on their own.
 

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If you want a 2.4i to go fast... strip the whole car inside and outside. Less weight = Faster everything lol. Cheapest way to upgrade for power.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zerocover</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was playing around with my new datalogger and it looks like we have an intake manifold tuned to 1700 rpm those ITB's are deff making a gigantic difference on their own. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>What kind of data logger do you have and how much was it?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vash13</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you want a 2.4i to go fast... strip the whole car inside and outside. Less weight = Faster everything lol. Cheapest way to upgrade for power. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The top gear jag certainly proved this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p><br>On my list:<br>Near future:<br>Port intake manifold<br>Adjust exhaust cams<br>Custom collectors<p>Not so near future:<br>Increase compression ratio<br>Upgrade internals<br>Port intake side of head<br>P&P exhaust side<p><br>Far future:<br>ITBs & plenum
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What kind of data logger do you have and how much was it?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Scantool.net's elm327 based setup and my laptop.<p>All new elm327 based data loggers are about the same, you just have to make sure you get a real elm327 not some chinese knockoff. Basically if it costs over $100 its prob legit. Don't spend over 150 unelss you want bluetooth. I got a really good deal on mine, but obdpro's has scantools for around $100 that are very good.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vash13</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you want a 2.4i to go fast... strip the whole car inside and outside. Less weight = Faster everything lol. Cheapest way to upgrade for power. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>haha yes id imagine thatd help the power to weight ratio <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>also if i gutted the interior ... only one seat = never hauling around my friends ahahah
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kentis19</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>also if i gutted the interior ... only one seat = never hauling around my friends ahahah</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Lawn chairs are light and you can pack a few in there for your friends.... dont rule anything out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> lol
 

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zero, do you get "intake manifold pressure" from the logger? I'm hoping to find a way to get some data out of my car, and if that records boost, I'm pretty well set.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mattdoc</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">zero, do you get "intake manifold pressure" from the logger? I'm hoping to find a way to get some data out of my car, and if that records boost, I'm pretty well set. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yup, no problems! The Volvo outputs a surprising amount of data. Some software doesnt support all the sensors, but there is such a wealth of software for the elm327 that you can choose whatever fits your needs. I'm a big fan of Digimoto, but Scanmaster, and the scantool.net software are very good.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zerocover</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yup, no problems! The Volvo outputs a surprising amount of data. Some software doesnt support all the sensors, but there is such a wealth of software for the elm327 that you can choose whatever fits your needs. I'm a big fan of Digimoto, but Scanmaster, and the scantool.net software are very good.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorry we're getting off topic...<p>But Zero, can you post a link to the specific data logger that you bought? Do you know if its Apple (Mac) compatible? Im thinking about possibly going with the Rev App for the iPhone / iTouch but it requires an OBD II WLAN ($150) and the App itself is $40... soo <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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