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The R really is a great car. Got the SUM updated last spring and felt the car suspension improved 50% from before (haven't posted in a while, but I do check in every now and then..... <p>But life is cruel, and I got my 911 out from winter storage. I was more than satisfied with the R until I spent a few weeks in the Porsche. You get back into the Volvo, and it's clear where it's weaknesses are. The cheap/easy choice is to dump the 911. After a few weeks of forgetting what it feels like the R will be fine again. But there are ways to improve the R and reduce the discrepancy, so:<p>Yes, I've searched (and thanks to all who have chimed in on this topic....) regarding the suspension, and am looking to tighten the feel. I don't need to lower the car (winter clearances....) and I'm not planning to track it:<p>Planning the TME springs. Also will get sway bars, but would like advice regarding what would suit me better:<p>The steering on the R, while infinitely better than the S60, is still fairly dead. Would the addition of the larger front sways in ipd's "rally package" improve this at all, or do they just keep the car flatter with no better steering response? Otherwise I'll probably just go with the rear 23mm "neutral package" from ipd.....<p>Also, since the TME's lower the car a bit, would I need spacers to keep from making the rubbing worse? If so, would the 5mm work, or do I have to go the full 10mm (it's worse for me with my winter tires on)? Any problems the spacers cause even as they reduce the rub? <p>Thanks for your input.... <p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by gmermel at 9:49 PM 6-27-2006</i>
 

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Re: mod advice... (gmermel)

well the most obvious improvement you can make to "tighten" the feel of the car is to swap out all the stock bushings for poly bushings. this coupled with a sway bar and stiffer brings (not necessarily lower) will be night and day for you. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>
 

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Re: mod advice... (phuz)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well the most obvious improvement you can make to "tighten" the feel of the car is to swap out all the stock bushings for poly bushings. this coupled with a sway bar and stiffer brings (not necessarily lower) will be night and day for you. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p></TD></TR></TABLE>agreed
 

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Re: mod advice... (phuz)

And that's why I posted. Didn't see anything about bushings as I searched on springs. I presume ipd has them??? Will be talking to them shortly.<p>Also, what springs would help WITHOUT lowering? From what I've found the TME's lower the least, but haven't noticed postings about any that leave the height alone.
 

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to get that "tight" feeling, do"<p>springs<br>sway bars<br>BLUE EVOLVE engine bushing.<p>the R will never be a 911 though.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>23109VC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">to get that "tight" feeling, do"<p>springs<br>sway bars<br>BLUE EVOLVE engine bushing.<p>the R will never be a 911 though.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Don't do blue Evolve bushing if you have auto transmission. do black.<p>Also, I would recommend the powerflex bushing. It's less $ but gives a great result. <p>Also, do strut bar tightening kit from Powerflex (bushing install). You can order both from Viva Performance for about $80. Huge improvement, and awesome in combination with the upper engine mount bushing. <p>I bet the VST strut brace would be even better. <p>BTW, the Volvo is a FWD Biased car, even though it's AWD. It's got a heavy nose, transverse engine and sends lots of torque through the front wheels. It's never going to feel as nice as the Porsche or a BMW. <p>But if you upgrade the springs, bars, and the bushings above, it will change ALOT.<p>I believe that "R" Kelly did a thread where he changed all this at once.<p>Edit - Here it is: <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=55472" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=55472</A>
 

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So i'm looking for ENGINE bushings? I would have thought they'd be strut bushings?? A little education, as opposed to all this beating about the bush-ings <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I would also recomend the volvo battery reverse mount. Completely changes the weight distribution to a perfect 50/50.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gmermel</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So i'm looking for ENGINE bushings? I would have thought they'd be strut bushings?? A little education, as opposed to all this beating about the bush-ings <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good thread here:<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=55811" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=55811</A><p>The upper large engine mount bushing is that big thing on top of your engine that connects to the strut bar looking device (which is actually an engine mounting bar) to the engine mount. There is a smaller one behind it as shown in Kelly's pictures. <p>That is the first bushing to change. <p>Second ones to install (since there are none there stock) are the engine mount bar bushings. The engine mount bar mounts to a mounting bracket on each side, which is bolted to the strut towers. The powerflex bushing kit for this will slide into the underside of each of those mounting brackets.<p>The idea is twofold.<p>One to stiffen up the engine from moving around under transient load changes.<p>Two to turn the engine mount bar into a quasi-strut tower bar.<p>Do a search in the R forum using bushing as a keyword. There are a bunch of posts.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Don't do blue Evolve bushing if you have auto transmission. do black.<p>Also, I would recommend the powerflex bushing. It's less $ but gives a great result. <p>Also, do strut bar tightening kit from Powerflex (bushing install). You can order both from Viva Performance for about $80. Huge improvement, and awesome in combination with the upper engine mount bushing. <p>BTW, the Volvo is a FWD Biased car, even though it's AWD. It's got a heavy nose, transverse engine and sends lots of torque through the front wheels. It's never going to feel as nice as the Porsche or a BMW. <p>But if you upgrade the springs, bars, and the bushings above, it will change ALOT.<br>]</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I have done the above: TME springs, rear bar, poly top bushing and the 2 engine mount bushings.<br>18" with Michelin all seasons and 5mm spacers, NO rubbing!<p>All the above virtually changes the R to a decent driving automobile.<br>No 911 but still a WORLD of improvement over stock<br>Wagon feels quite "tight"
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R_Rated</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would also recomend the volvo battery reverse mount. Completely changes the weight distribution to a perfect 50/50.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What exatly is this? My car allready has the battery in the trunk, is there something else to it?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Jayam</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What exatly is this? My car allready has the battery in the trunk, is there something else to it?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>sorry, it was a bad joke. there is no such thing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R_Rated</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would also recomend the volvo battery reverse mount. Completely changes the weight distribution to a perfect 50/50.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> Is that Front/Rear? Doesn't his car need more like a miracle to get to 50/50? Please elaborate....<p>Hummm....maybe a 200 pound battery.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R_Rated</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i prefer to keep a stripper tied up in my trunk..... seems to work for me.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I found that the car with the spare removed had close to a 50/50 weight distribution. I don't have the weight slip on me but I remember that the car weighed like 3620 or something close to that number with out me and close to 3800 with me. After multipling the corners (using the 3800 lbs) and doing "that fancy math" the track guys know, the car was 51% on the left and 49% on the right. So with the instructor in the car it was basically 50/50. Front to rear I don't remember so much.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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