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Did you guys see this?! I didn't watch this morning and then heard from a friend so I hoped online to get the details...very scary. I'm surprised he kept the presence of mind to hit the brakes at all!
 

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Re: Massa injured in Hungarian GP Quali (thesternowl)

Yeah I did, scary.<br>You can't avoid a bouncing and flying spring at 120 mph+!<br>He went straight into the tire wall but that is not what did any injuries.<p>Why a spring just came off Barrichello's car in the 1st place is an entire different matter!<p>I like the little guy, I hope he will be OK <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Not so lucky for Surtees last week...<p><A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBwuCFBDHYo" TARGET="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBwuCFBDHYo</A><br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoshV70_</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not so lucky for Surtees last week...<p><A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBwuCFBDHYo" TARGET="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBwuCFBDHYo</A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah yeah we know, already in another post<br>Things come in 3's, so all open wheel racers around the world should be looking out for UFO's!
 

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That was freaking scary. Still haven't watched the race, so no spoilers, but watched quali last night (friends over all weekend). <p>Frack, the odds of that thing coming off the car and hitting him right in the head are about 1,000,000:1 and still. I can't imagine getting hit by a 10 lb spring in the head doing over 100 MPH. <p>Updates are that he has a cracked skull and has undergone surgery to relieve swelling. CT scan as of yesterday reveals all fine, so far. <p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That was freaking scary. Still haven't watched the race, so no spoilers, but watched quali last night (friends over all weekend). <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>You 'll like the race...<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>
 

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I guess Massa is conscious again. Apparently there is undetermined damage to his optic nerve. Damn...<p><I>edit: I guess Massa's family doctor is now saying that Massa's eye is not damaged; hopefully this is true.</I><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by thesternowl at 1:39 PM 7-28-2009</i>
 

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The FIA is launching an investigation into the Surtees and Massa incidents. I bet you a dollar that the recommended solution is to ban open cockpits. By 2011, F1 wil have closed cockpits and A/C.<p>Jalopnik re-did their website a few weeks ago and it has not worked well for me since. Jalopnik has a pic of Massa shortly after the accident. His right eye is open. His left eye is closed, there is a big cut at the left edge of the left eye. There is surprisingly little damage to the helmet. It is caved in a little where the impact occured, but it did not split or otherwise damage the whole helmet. It is not a gory pic.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>You 'll like the race...<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL, watched the first 5 laps.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>LOL, watched the first 5 laps. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yay, win for Hamilton. <p>Glad to hear Massa is doing better. <p>Man, what a strange weekend. Massa gets hit by a flying spring, Alonso's wheel freaking falls off, I thought Vettl's suspension had gone south there for a while, and freaking Timo Glock was running a strong third before having to pit...and giving Kimi all he could take! <p>Strange days indeed! <p>Oh, and I forgot...they give Renault the next race off because of the loose wheel nut. What a bunch of freaking a-holes. Come on, really. Give the guy a break. He had pole and could have had a podium or 4th but doesn't and then you slap that on the team?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Needsdecaf at 8:46 AM 7-28-2009</i>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>Oh, and I forgot...they give Renault the next race off because of the loose wheel nut. What a bunch of freaking a-holes. Come on, really. Give the guy a break. He had pole and could have had a podium or 4th but doesn't and then you slap that on the team?<p><br><i>Modified by Needsdecaf at 8:46 AM 7-28-2009</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>It might turn out to be a blessing in disguise; particularly if Alonso is leased by Ferrari to take Massa's place in Valencia <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I, for one, would love to see such a scenario play out.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Oh, and I forgot...they give Renault the next race off because of the loose wheel nut. What a bunch of freaking a-holes. Come on, really. Give the guy a break. He had pole and could have had a podium or 4th but doesn't and then you slap that on the team?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>I strongly disagree.<p>Bad timing for Alonso and Renault. Without the Surtees and Massa incidents, the one race suspension likely would have been a lesser punishment. Since Alonso, Piquet and Renault are not even in the top ten, it won't affect the championships, but it will send a message throughout the paddock.<p>Let's face it, a spring and a wheel fall off during the same race weekend. Every person on every team needs a wake up call to be more diligent.<p>The Valencia organizers will be royally pissed off because Alsono won't be there, but the punishment fits the infraction. By not informing Alonso that his wheel wasn't properly tightened, the team could have caused the death of a course worker or another driver.<p>Since the same crew services both cars, the officials had no choice but to suspend Piquet, Alonso and the entire Renault team. Besides, Alonso only got the pole by running extremely light in qualifying; he didn't stand a chance of being on the podium even without his nut falling off.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BarentsBlueV50</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Since the same crew services both cars, the officials had no choice but to suspend Piquet, Alonso and the entire Renault team.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm pretty sure that the team was suspended and not the drivers...
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BarentsBlueV50</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Let's face it, a spring and a wheel fall off during the same race weekend. Every person on every team needs a wake up call to be more diligent.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So what's worse? A car designed so poorly that a spring just happens to "pop out?" Or human error in the pits not tightening a wheel nut correctly? THAT is my point. Where's the suspension for Brawn? <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BarentsBlueV50</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>I strongly disagree.<br>. Since Alonso, Piquet and Renault are not even in the top ten, it won't affect the championships, but it will send a message throughout the paddock..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Aha, that's why they didn't suspend Brawn. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BarentsBlueV50</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">. By not informing Alonso that his wheel wasn't properly tightened, the team could have caused the death of a course worker or another driver.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not informing Alonso? He can't see the wheel spat spinning? He can't feel the vibration in the wheel? (you could clearly see that from the on-board camera). <p>My biggest beef is....what happened to the wheel tether? Why didn't that work? If anything, that technical failure is the only one justifiably valid for a penalty. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>thesternowl</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I'm pretty sure that the team was suspended and not the drivers...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Right. So why not penalize the team? Take away constructor's points. Don't penalize the driver by not allowing him to run. Lack of driver's points = lack of negotiating at contract time.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>So what's worse? A car designed so poorly that a spring just happens to "pop out?" Or human error in the pits not tightening a wheel nut correctly? THAT is my point. Where's the suspension for Brawn? <p>Aha, that's why they didn't suspend Brawn. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>How do you know it is the design? How do you know that one of the mechanics didn't fubar the installation? <p>The FIA is investigating. If a mechanic failed to install the spring correctly, then Brawn may yet be suspended. If a part broke, despite BrawnGP's QC and testing program, it is unlikely anyone will be suspended. <p>Your point is pointless. The difference between the two incidents is clear: the cause of the BrawnGP incident has yet to be determined while the cause of the Renault incident is obvious negligence (both in wheel mounting and failure to tell Alonso) and a comensurate punishment has been meted out.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Not informing Alonso? He can't see the wheel spat spinning? He can't feel the vibration in the wheel? (you could clearly see that from the on-board camera). <p>My biggest beef is....what happened to the wheel tether? Why didn't that work? If anything, that technical failure is the only one justifiably valid for a penalty. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>From Alonso's POV, that vibration could have been an unbalanced wheel or the brake duct malfunctioning. Brake ducts have malfunctioned without the wheel falling off. The team could have and should have notified Alsono that wheel could come off. Are you so callous with the drivers and course workers' safety that you can't even admit the team messed up?<p>I thought you were some sort of engineering type? I majored in liberal arts but even I can figure out that there is no way to tether a spinning wheel by itself. The hub is tethered so that in the event of a suspension failure or a crash the wheel/hub combo does not fly off of the car. Even then, when the crash is severe enough and enough of the nose area is destroyed the wheel/hub combos have been known to still fly off. If the wheel isn't properly mounted to the hub, it is not tethered to the car. That is why it was such a failing on Renault's part to not notify Alonso.<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Right. So why not penalize the team? Take away constructor's points. Don't penalize the driver by not allowing him to run. Lack of driver's points = lack of negotiating at contract time. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You just blamed Alonso and now you're blaming the team? Make up your mind. The fact is that the team, including Alonso, is to blame for this incident and they will lose constructor points for the next race and their multi-million dollar appearance money. You seem to be the only one who can't fathom how serious their infraction was. If that wheel had killed someone, would you still say let them race but take away constructor points? The only person who has a beef here is Piquet, but since he couldn't drive his way out of a wet paper bag, he'll get the same points in Valencia that he gets almost every race, zero.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BarentsBlueV50</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>You just blamed Alonso and now you're blaming the team? Make up your mind. The fact is that the team, including Alonso, is to blame for this incident and they will lose constructor points for the next race and their multi-million dollar appearance money.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Again...Renault is banned from Valencia. Not Alonso. This was not Alonso's fault and he is not banned, nor is Piquet.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>thesternowl</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Again...Renault is banned from Valencia. Not Alonso. This was not Alonso's fault and he is not banned, nor is Piquet.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So Alonso and Piquet are supposed to ride their bikes around the track??? WTF The team is suspended. I have said that twice. Oh, fyi, Alsono and Piquet are part of the team. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> That's why the Valencia organizers are going ballistic---Alonso won't be driving in, what is in effect, his home GP.
 

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Ummmmm...you must have missed the part where Alonso could be leased to Ferrari...don't get all bent man. Sheesh.
 

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Here is a link to some pictures of Massa after the crash!!<p> <A HREF="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1202114/The-moment-F1-driver-Felipe-Massa-knocked-unconscious-flying-debris-Grand-Prix-qualifier.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new....html</A>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BarentsBlueV50</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>So Alonso and Piquet are supposed to ride their bikes around the track??? WTF The team is suspended. I have said that twice. Oh, fyi, Alsono and Piquet are part of the team. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> That's why the Valencia organizers are going ballistic---Alonso won't be driving in, what is in effect, his home GP.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, they race and get driver's points, but Renault gets no constructors points. It's happened many times before. <p>I was going to type a response to all your comments, but I'm not going to waste my time. You assume all manner of thoughts behind what I have said, and you are wrong in all of them. I will simply state that again, I do not feel the punishment fits the crime. <p>If you disagree, that's your prerogative, not mine. <p>
 
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