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Hey everyone,<P>I have been toying with the idea of a engine swap out on a s60 T5. <P>Searching the net like crazy with no luck.<P>I am looking to do a full modify by replacing the stock T5 engine with something more powerful (v8 maybe?) and that will fit.<P>The shape and interior is superior to anything that BMW has but I <b> really </b> want a M3 killer. Any suggestions, links, idea or pics please shoot them my way. I am not looking to **** with a supercharger, turbocharger or N2O it (although that may come later if I have a warhorse under the hood already..)<P>I want to go the whole nine on this project at least have a spring board for ideas to work on... Mainly I want a deep thumping idle and feel some heavy g-forces when pushing 0-60 with a real short 1/4 mile... Is this do-able?<P>Thanks everyone, Hope I stayed in discussion tolerances with this topic. Please let me know if anyone has any ideas on this...<P>John
 

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Well...umm OK. What front-wheel-drive V8 engine/trans were you thinking of using? <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P>Assuming that you are being serious, why don't you wait until the S60R comes out and work on that motor. 300HP ain't a bad place to start.<P>
 

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:/<P>300 hp , 2.5 liter already turbocharged.<BR>vs.<BR>323/333 hp , 3.2 liter...<P>Ok... why wait until it comes out? What kind of fwd v8 engine will fit under a s60? Anyone? and are some links to get started...<P>Laymans terms what is the best engine for such a project bearing in mind size, weight and power...<P>And V6 don't thump during idle...
 

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What about the Yamaha V8 that was used in the last generation Taurus SHO's? I read some where that there was a version of this engine that may possibly find it's way into the XC 90. Or I could be mistaken...
 

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Do you already own a S60 T5? If you don't, you could always put the T6 (inline-6 twin turbo B6284T) engine into a Volvo S40 and make it RWD. Someone has aleady done this swap and is making around 355hp/450lb.ft to the wheels with a 6-speed Borg-Warner Dodge Viper transmission.<P>Check it out:<BR> <A HREF="http://www.trm.nu/Index_Eng.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.trm.nu/Index_Eng.htm</A> <P> <IMG SRC="http://www.trm.nu/images/IndexCar.JPG"> <P>If you own the S60 T5, then you might try fitting the T6 engine into the bay and turning the car into a RWD vehicle, I am not sure how it will work out though.<P>-Drew
 

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I would think that the few hp/ft-lbs. you'd gain w/a V8 would be offset by the weight of the motor, even if it were a Yamaha all-aluminum V8. I'd just save my pennies for the new S60R and then wait a bit till the tuners offer hop-up parts. 300hp should be a conservative number, and it shouldn't be difficult to realize huge gains from that platform.<P>As far as cost, I couldn't imagine what an east-west V8 conversion would cost, but it'd be a merde-load. A north-south conversion w/rwd/awd would be way-cool, but then again you have the costs. I'd still say get an S60R, except for the long wait-time, which I can understand, if you're wanting the project now. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P>If you're not stuck on having a Volvo, why not go find a Nissan Skyline GT-R. A few bux thrown at that gem can net you 1000hp, or so I hear. That could get you in some serious territory... except it doesn't thump like a V8 (it has an inline-6). Or you buy something similar to what I'm shopping for as a toy...<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.quijibo.8m.com/miata/monsterphotos/monster4.jpg"> <BR>See, you could stuff a (blown) Ford V8 in here... <IMG SRC="http://oasis.fortunecity.com/paradise/40/images/Sat-Jul-31-1999-12-06-30.jpg"> <BR>400hp... doesn't weigh much, can eat M3s/M5s for brunch and has a nasty V8 sound at idle. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P><BR>[This message has been edited by javadoc (edited 07-07-2002).]<p>[This message has been edited by javadoc (edited 07-07-2002).]
 

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Wow.<P>Ok... So even if I went with a v8 I wouldn't get the performance that a inline v6 twin turbo would give. I would also lose the handling of a FWD or AWD (They don't have the S60R in a AWD do they?)<P>Hmmm. Well what are good parts or shops that most sweedespeed members go for? Most of the faqs about volvo's don't talk about performance parts and such... <P>Truthfully all the s60 models they have are sweet. The AWD non-T5 2.4 is a beaut as well as the T5 2.5 but doesn't have AWD but does have the graphite/indigo leather cloth...(BTW I really can't say that the current interior color scheme I've seen of the s60r make me happy one bit..)..<P>To phrase it caveman style. I like Green out Red Wood on the wheel and goood engine!<P>I didn't want to <grain-orginating-from-asia> with the car to stress the motor so much but then again when you have M3 engines exploding almost off the lot I guess I can't complain to much.<P>I just wanted mine to be unique to have something that screams status symbol, well atleast upper-class status symbol / youth oriented owner. Unrefined and stylish trappings of success. (Aka fat engine, bolt pins on hood, big tires, clean lines, mean and smooth with a elegant interior w/ few neon knobs/lights/doorpanels and slick stereo/media system [laptop or xbox for an mp3 player]). <P>My '95 mustang is so cramped and unrefined inside and the new models are just as cramped even with "SVT"...<P>I've got the creds for the purchase but aren't really sure about what direction to go in. I do want to project really badly. Not bad enough to be stupid about it so I appreciate very much the input you guys are giving me thank you.<P>So any more links on mod's or add-ons after stock is REALLY appreciated...<P>John<p>[This message has been edited by Thunderhoof (edited 07-07-2002).]
 

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If you have the money to dish out, the possibilities are endless!!! Imagine a V8 AMG engine in the car! <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/eek.gif">
 

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Hmmm, if you like Mustangs and know them, you could always pick up a used S90 or V90 and swap a 5.0 into it, or even go further, with some accessories from Saleen or Kenny Bell.<P>The problem with the S60 and the S80 is that the motors are mounted transversely (east-west), so you'd need V8 motor that'll fit that sort of setup. Generally, traditional V8s aren't that great for such a setup because the angle of the V doesn't leave them all that compact. The straight 6 from the S80 won't fit an S60 from what I've been told.<P>There's the new VW W8 motor (W configuration, with 15 degree angles at the base of the two Vs, so probably compact enough to fit). Trouble is, the engine is brand new though the VW aftermarket is trong and somebody will probably develop something for it. Still, I don't know that you'll get a lot of respect driving a Volvo with a VW engine. As much as I love VW personally, I don't think it gets a lot of respect among the traditional Volvophiles.<P>
 

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One more thing, I'd bet Volvo will build R models with another color interior than that terra cotta hue. Black or graphite is a staple, and they'd be foolish not to. Even if they didn't, I bet you could find an owner with graphite interior to swap you.<P>Plus, for the money you'd spend, if you can get beyond the sound of the motor, and you invested that money in the developement of the S60R's motor, you'd have a car that'll probably hang with, if not beat, the Ms you mention.<P>BTW, the S60R and V70R are both AWD.
 

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For the life of me, I can't think of another relatively modern FWD V8 than the SHO lump. Anyone?<P>How about looking at some of the Volvo engines from their motorsports division. GM sell crate engines, maybe Volvo do also. The touring cars were good for 300+ HP.<P>Of course I'm biased but speaking of crate engines, how about the Chevy LS6 engine from the Z06 Vette. 405HP Problem is that the transmission is part of the rear (a transaxle actually). Boy that would be BITCHIN' You can buy the engine from any GM dealer or GM Parts dealer. I think it is about $8K. Then you need the 'puter to run it.<P>Go S60R and take it to a tuner.<P><P>
 

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Hhhrrmmm... <P>I have found almost nothing in regards to the S60. <P>The only one that has alittle something is the "ipd"er's but most of that well.. Lacking? In regards to AWD performance...<P>Please post or send me any links or addresses with good mod/tune shops in the Atlanta area. Or link to good parts sites catering to the S60 (stands to reason they'd be the first with S60r goodies...)
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vetteguy:<BR><B>For the life of me, I can't think of another relatively modern FWD V8 than the SHO lump. Anyone?<BR></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The GM NorthStar V8 (Cadillac STS, DTS, & Olds Aurora) all in FWD applications. I wonder if it would fit? <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P>-Drew
 

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The VW W8 is mounted longitudinally in the Passat, but it's so compact, it'd probably fit.<P>For chip tuning, IPD uses a Swedish company called TME. If you want hardcore modifications for a Volvo, you'll probably have to consider some of the Swedish companies at some point.<P>Eastern Aerospace is down in Georgia I believe, but I know little to nothing about them.<P>The R is a totally new model, so you're not going to find anything on it until probably next summer.<P>In Alabama, there is a VERY talented firm called APR ( <A HREF="http://www.goapr.com" TARGET=_blank>http://www.goapr.com</A> ). If you're willing to lend them your car for developement for a couple of months, I bet they could do something with it. If you could get IPD to resell what they develop it might bring down costs for you. They've gotten the Audi S4, less HP than the S60R stock, up to about 500hp. Would that be adequate in your R?
 

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Here's what I suggest. You already have a Mustang with a 302 under the hood. Throw an intake, heads, and cam on that thing and let 'er rip. Unlike us folks with the 4.6, you have a world of options out there for that Stang, and at a reasonable price too.<P>Use the Volvo as your daily driver and make the Mustang fast. That's the easiest thing to do. Personally, I like the "unrefined" feeling, I could go 100 in my dad's S80 and feel like im doing 50. That's no fun and (IMHO anyway) dangerous.<P>If you're completely bent on having a fast Volvo, forget about FWD V8 conversions and all that crap. If you want a V8, get a 700 or 900 series model and swap in a 302.<P>If you're really hell-bent on having a fast S60, work with what you have. Bigger turbo on the 5-banger. You'll need a higher capacity fuel system with that, but it's doable. There's a C70 coupe on here that makes something like 340hp at the wheels, but if course it's completely built. I would suggest doing something like that. Just remember that FWD is not the optimal setup for any type of racing or performance driving.<P>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anony00gt:<BR><B>Unlike us folks with the 4.6, you have a world of options out there for that Stang, and at a reasonable price too.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They already have twin turbo upgrade even for the 4.6s.<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anony00gt:<BR><B>There's a C70 coupe on here that makes something like 340hp at the wheels, </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Mine? <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"> Don't know about now, it's beyond 300 at wheels that's for sure. After getting the fuel rail swap along with the FPR then tune the car with that.....I should be well beyond 350 at wheels with the new intercooler and running with 110 octane. Who knows..... <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><BR>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_one_n_only:<BR><B>Mine? <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"> Don't know about now, it's beyond 300 at wheels that's for sure. After getting the fuel rail swap along with the FPR then tune the car with that.....I should be well beyond 350 at wheels with the new intercooler and running with 110 octane. Who knows..... <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Time to head down to MIR for a few passes as the strip! Just do a soft launch so you don't break anything, and then hammer it. Go for maximum trap speed.<P>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_one_n_only:<BR><B>They already have twin turbo upgrade even for the 4.6s.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It's a single turbo kit. And it costs an arm, a leg, and two left nuts. They also have plenty of reasonably priced supercharger kits out there for the 4.6, but that's not what I was referring to.<P>As far as aftermarket heads, cams, intakes, etc, there's next to nothing out there for the 4.6, and what is available is also expensive as all hell. Example:<BR> <A HREF="http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/packs.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/packs.html</A> <P>That is a heads/cam/intake package for the 4.6. The Stage 3 costs $4144. The equivalent to this kit for the 302 (Holley SysteMAX heads/cam/intake package) costs $2380.<BR> <A HREF="http://www.ftforce.com/engfordstang2.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.ftforce.com/engfordstang2.htm</A> <P><BR>Now go get some 1/4 mile timeslips for that 300+ hp C70 <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><P>
 
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