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#1 ·
Hey all,
I had the Low Oil Light pop up on me yesterday. [2008 xc90 v8)
- Cleared the message
- popped up again later
- Checked oil level
- down a liter
- added half a liter
- cleared message
- Popped up again today
- Oil isn't dirty - Less than 3000miles since last change

So my questions:
- Should running at 1/2 liter down set off the message?
- Where is the oil consumption coming from? ZERO leaks are visible...nothing on the driveway
- What other causes of the light could it be? (I've read the other posts, but no one really seemed to be able to answer this clearly)
- Any dangers in driving around for a few days with the light coming on?

Look forward to feedback.

Cheers
-phil
 
#2 ·
First step, take the skid plate off and check the filter. Mine wanted to come off twice for some reason. Halfway to 7,500 miles, the light came on, down a quart. Topped it off and thought nothing. 3 hours of highway driving later I took it into the dealership for a little update, and the tech said I was lucky to not need a new engine. For some reason it worked itself free and I could turn it with my hand. Nothing showed because at a standstill the skid plate contains the drip, then when you go it flies out the back leaving no trace.

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#3 ·
If the light is on, you're low on oil. If you fill it, then it gets low again, you're losing oil. Keep it topped up until you can solve the problem.

Yes, a 1/2 Qt can set it off, depending on how full it started.

Like OOAK said, pull the skid plate off and see if there's any signs of it there. Mine is currently losing it very slowly from a location I have yet to determine. Several in the past have found the valve cover seals to be leaking. Could be your case. Could be something else. The search begins!
 
#7 ·
Sorry... Yes... No leaks that can be seen.... And added the full liter and no more light...

It appears light comes on at half liter down... And now I've got no clue why I'm losing oil...

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You removed the skid plate and there was no oil on it or anywhere above it?
 
#8 ·
Be glad you have a light. The 2006 owners manual discusses the low oil light in depth. It is a wonderful explanation of how the system works. The only problem is that it applies only to the V8. The T5 doesn't have the light. I was lucky to learn this before catastrophic failure. I checked the dipstick, it was low, and filled it. No big deal. Why didn't the light give her a warning a week earlier? That's when I contacted VCNA and was told that the T5 doesn't have a light. Thanks for nothing. I hope this helps someone in the future who uses the search function.
 
#13 ·
Mine burns about half a quart in 7500 miles, and it's at 196k miles currently. Actually, this time it hasn't burnt any, and I'm at 5k, so kinda scratching my head.

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#14 ·
Our V8 did this after an oil change 200-300 miles. Before that no light no need to add oil for 8 months.
added 0,6 quart oil. 2 days after that the light comes on. I check the oil - full (yes, we have a leakage on the pulley side, valve cover gaskets, not much visible on the driveway)
The oil used 0-30w castrol. no idea what was used before the change. the car is mostly used in a city cycle. slow speeds, traffic.
Put some premium gas, ran it for a 200 mile trip 60-70mph to let her clean the exhaust.
no add oil light.
is it true that the sensor checks the oil quality and temperature also?
 
#15 ·
Just remember the skid plate has a tendency to catch most all of the oil that might be leaking, so if you're seeing it on the driveway, that may mean there's actually a lot of oil leaking since it's overrunning the amount the skid plate can contain.
 
#17 · (Edited)
I know how much it leaks.. well not much more than before. skid plate is wet as always. not much on a drive way.
The only thing new in this equation is fresh oil.
I think it's the oil sensor. I've triple checked it and the oil level was at the top mark.

Exhaust is clean. no smell or any thing.. oil cap on the engine is sucked in pretty hard to hold it gently.
 
#18 · (Edited)
Oil level monitoring (2004-, certain markets and models only, * 3.2 and V8 in this example (Tomm, sorry for the error)) -

General
The following components are used for oil monitoring:

the oil level sensor
engine control module (ECM)
driver information module (DIM).

One of the advantage of always monitoring the oil level is that the driver can then be informed, via the driver information module (DIM), if the oil needs topping up.


Oil quality detection
To calculate the quality of the oil, the capacitance of the oil is gauged and then compared with the capacitance of the air. (Capacitance is the ability to store an electrical charge). The capacitance of the oil and air is measured using both the capacitive gauge elements. The volume of contaminants in the oil increases the capacitance. This provides the electronics integrated in the oil level sensor with an oil quality dependent input signal.


Oil temperature detection
The PTC resistor integrated in the oil level sensor is used to calculate the oil temperature. The resistance of the PTC resistor changes, depending on the oil temperature. The resistance increases as the oil temperature rises. This provides the electronics integrated in the oil level sensor with a temperature dependent input signal.


Oil level detection
The electronics integrated in the sensor calculate the oil level using the obtained values for oil temperature and quality. Temporary changes in the oil level in the oil trough must be taken into account to correctly calculate the oil level. This happens when cornering and taking hills for example. The engine control module (ECM) makes these calculations using the oil level sensor signal and a number of other parameters. These other parameters include the vehicle speed signal and the load signal.


Oil level sensor signal
The oil level sensor internally calculates the parameters for oil level, quality and temperature. A PWM signal is then generated and transmitted on a cable to the engine control module (ECM). The PWM signal consists of a pulse train. The first pulse in the pulse train represents the oil temperature. The second pulse represents the oil level. The third pulse represents the oil quality. A change in oil level, quality or oil temperature affects the pulse ratio of the relevant pulse.



Description of Oil Level Sensor (B8444S specific):

General
The following components are used for oil monitoring:

oil level sensor (7/35)
engine control module (ECM) (4/46)
driver information module (DIM) (5/1).

The oil level sensor, via the driver information module (DIM), is used to inform the driver if oil filling is required.


Detecting the oil level
The integrated electronics of the sensor calculates the oil level using the measured value for the oil temperature. In order for the correct oil level to be calculated, temporary oil level changes in the oil sump must be added to the calculation, for example when driving on an incline, during cornering and the like. These calculations are performed by the engine control module (ECM) using the oil level sensor signal and a number of other parameters such as the vehicle speed signal and load signal.


So, like many things Volvo (“auto” climate control as but one prime example), oil level is not just as simple as a damped high-temp float switch.

It’s a reported value. And if it’s a reported value (or values), I might suspect it’s visible in VIDA via DICE. If someone wanted to validate this, might be good. If not, next time I’m hooked up, I’ll add to this post if something is worth reporting back on.
 
#23 ·
Another reference to the oil sensor:

The oil level sensor provides the engine control module (ECM) with information about the quality and temperature of the engine oil and the oil level in the oil trough. Which of these functions is used by the sensor varies between different car models.

All three functions are combined in one unit with a sensor section and an electronics section. There are no moving parts in the sensor.

The sensor consists of: a terminal with three pins, integrated electronics, 2 capacitive gauge elements, and a PTC resistor.

The oil level sensor is supplied with 5 V by the engine control module (ECM). The oil level sensor generates a PWM signal for the engine control module (ECM).

The engine control module (ECM) can diagnose the functions of the oil level sensor. Also see Oil level sensor, diagnostics.

The pulse-width modulated (PWM) signal from the oil level sensor can be read using parameter readout.
 
#24 ·
Mine came on yesterday.

Luckily I was next to a Target so I hopped in there and picked up a quart of oil, tossed it in and went on with my night. Seems our v8's do burn some oil because I searched everywhere for leaks and cannot find any. My truck also has 82k miles on it and it's a 2005.
 
#25 ·
Mine came on yesterday.

Luckily I was next to a Target so I hopped in there and picked up a quart of oil, tossed it in and went on with my night. Seems our v8's do burn some oil because I searched everywhere for leaks and cannot find any. My truck also has 82k miles on it and it's a 2005.
It's certainly not something I expected... But at the same time, knowing the system works, and alerts me... I'm generally good with it... Something I'll monitor and record ton better understand...

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#26 ·
I'm gonna revive this thread. I'm also having the same issue. Just did a oil change and switched from 5w-30 to 5w-40 and also followed the cleaning process of the sensor from Matthew's website. The light only comes on when the car gets to op temp. I also topped oil to exact amount. No leaks on drive way. At this point I think it's the sensor. But still a bit confused
 
#30 ·
Volvo have simple system: If only message pop out on driver left display saying: Low level oil add oil than its simple low level of oil. For any reason or you didn't fill enough by time or its normal to drink oil like mine 2.5t by factory 0,2 dcl on few thousands of km (2000 km cca) from my experience last 16 years even more as I drive very fast on highways. When Red light of Oil illuminate than is another problem with oil not only level but sometimes too late... Very simple explanation about oil - message or red light.