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I used to have an S60R. I bought it with 15k and sold it with 55k. I had what I would consider "average" reliability with it. Nothing major ever broke, but I had a handful of minor stuff go wrong while I owned it, that I don't think I woudl have dealt with had I owned an Accord. BUT - I modded the hell out of my S60R.... look up my old posts...<p>anway, I sold that S60R, bought a nice new MDX for my wife. I drove our older S70 the next couple of years...I bought myself a used Boxster as a TOY / fun car. let me tell you that thing is FUN.<p>now my S70 has 140k on it, the A/C is dead, it rattles like nuts, it has it's fair share of little "things" are worn out...and I hoenslty don't like it anymroe. it's plenty fast, as I have an IPD exhaust on it...sway bars....R bumper cover makes it look cool... anywyya, a relative wants to buy it from me and give me $2500. i figure with the AC issue, thats' fair. the car has a lot of good stuff on it, i've done a lot of upkeep on it...<p>anyway, i've been researching what I coudl buy to repalce my S70 with. i need something with 4 doors, that can fit three kids in teh back, that can hold "kid" stuff and be a realistic "spare" famly car to complement our SUV. I don't have to have anothe rSUV, but I can't have a civic. <p>I looked at used Acura TLs, IS350 (way too small), don't like manh of hte american cars, BMW too $$$, <p>I found myself looking at used R's again. I don't know if I woudl want anohter S60R, but the V70R woudl be appealing. total sleeperm, very cool looking, very rare, ,lots of room for stuff.... <p>I found one near me for sale, that is only $16k. it's at a dealer. not CPO. it has 80k miles on it. <p>if I bought a V70R, i'd like throw on an IPD ECU, maybe some sway bars/springs and that would be IT. no downpipes, no exhaust, nohting drastic. i'd want something that ift smy kids, looks nice, drives nice, and when I nail the gas, will get up and go.<p>but I also want to be on a budget, so a used V70R..might fit the bill. I also don't want to be best friends wiht the service guy either. I want the car to be reliable..somethig I can depend on and not worry abou tit breaking down.<p>my S70 has been ROCK solid. yeah it rattles, has squeeks...but it's never broken down. in many repsects i felt it was a better car than my S60R...but in the S60R's defense, my S70 has NO real engine/pwoertrain mods and I drive it more sedately anyway....<p>I've got a boxster, which from time to time will nail me for $$ repairs. I don't want anothe rcar that's gonna do that.<p>one reason I got rid of my S60R was I worireda bout all the liekly repairs I might get hit with. clutch, new shocks, et cetc etc... in retrospect, maybe I shoudl have kept it given all the $$ i dumped into it..but hoenstly, I want'ed something more "fun" and the boxster, while slow in comparosn to a soupled up R - the Boxster is a go cart/ top down toy. i love it.<p>i now need osmething in the 15-25k range that can haul my kids when we don't want to take the SUV. i don't want to spend $30k+ and want to try and save money. <p>what have many of you seen now that the R's have been on the road since 2003-2004 - and many are hitting the 100k+ point - are they holdling up, or are they having massive issues with engines, turbos, tranny,, etc...<p>if my S70 is a barometer of how they old up, i'd be happy to get one. if the S/V R cars are having LOT of dpenedability issues as they age.... it might be osmethign to avoid.<p>thanks for all your suggestiosn.<p>any of you seen my old R rolling around?: i wonder whatever happened to it.
 

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Re: Long Term reliability of V70R / S60R??? (23109VC)

Mine's a 2004. I use my V70 R as a 2nd family car, primary for my own use, but I use ice cream to keep tempers cool. <p>I want to suggest you check the legroom to be sure your family can really fit there because it is a tight squeeze and far, far less than in my new SUV. I'd stick my 3 boys in there who are, just-7, 8, and 10, but the 10 year old is getting pretty borderline for a fit. If my wife's not in the car he takes the front seat. When it's 5 of us they sit shoulder to shoulder and for anything more than a short trip it's just so tight that conflict is inevitable. <p>It has great storage though. I can put 2 bikes on my top rack and the 2 smaller bikes in the trunk area. That gets 4 of us to the local park for a ride through the woods.<p>I hope I'm not jinxing my car by saying this, but mine seems to have been reliable for years now. I got my angle gear worked out nearly the 2nd month I had it. It also got the upgraded power steering reservoir pretty early on and a wheel bearing replaced at about the 1 year mark. I haven't had anything major go wrong since then. My car has only 50K but gets used for frequent shorter trips while I haul around computer gear. I do not baby it. My brakes only squeal when I take it on a longer trip with my wife and I have to be soft on the brakes. I don't mind the squeal anyway though. For me it's a wake-up call to the dummy spacing out in the passing lane.
 

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thanks for the suggestion on the size of rear seats.<p>my kids are 7, 3, 18 months. little one in a car seat, 3 year old in a booster. 7 year old is able to ride no booster, but we sometimes put him one to make it more comfy for him..depends.<p>we would not use whatever I get as a "main" family car...we'd use it as a "spare" family car. <p>my current DD - a 99 S70 T5 fits all three in back - but it's tight. We all fit easily in our 07 MDX..but it's pretty wide across the back compared to the S70 or a V70. We had a little Acura TSX as a loaner recently, the newly redesigned 2009 model...and we ALL fit in the car! it was tight in the back, but everyone fit, carseats/boosters and all! it was tight, but it worked as a "second" car.<p>I'd really like to sell my Volvo, sell my boxster, and upgrade to a 911, but my wife demands that our second car fit EVERYONE> i couldn't convicne here that the 18 months old wouldn't mind riding in the front trunk... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> hahaha<p>so my guess is that I'll keep my boxster as a toy. i got it dirt cheap and unless the motor blows and breaks my bank to fix - it's about the cheapest fun money can buy.<p>my S70, is going to be replaced....an Acura TL is big enough, and while the V70R and TL may not be identical in back seat size, I htink they are close enough...i'll have to check specs on edmunds.<p>i dont want a cadillac, or a 300, or any of the other behemoth american cars. I DID test drivde the new Pontiac G8 GT and honestly I liked that car. it has gobs of torque and was HUGE in the backseat. it handled REALLY nice too. felt tight and sporty. you can get a nice one OTD for like $27k.... but with pontiac going down the tubes, I'd be afraid of having to get parts,serice in a few years. imagine a small fender bender and needing a new bumpe rcover or trim peices and them saying you have to order it ffom Oz or whatever... i hear guuys already are having problems getting parts for them.... <p>the TL is high on my list of cars i like. the TL-S is 286hp, standard with nav, heated seats, all kinds of nice stuf,. it's FWD which torque steers off the line but it is great on the freeway, and handles pretty nice. Acura service is nice, they alwasy give you loanders. and not little crap box Ford Focus..they give yo a new TSX or TL...nice touch. <p>I just though I'd be able to maybe get something a bit more functional/pwoerful and save money by grabbing a V70 insetad of a TL. the TL is so generic...a V70R is unique. they handle nice I"m sure. my S60R handled great.<p>with a chip on a V70R, with the torque delete from IPD you 'd be able to make the kids squeel with delight as you hammered the gas!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>there's not a lot to pick from if you are looking for a sporty sedan, that can fit three kids in the back, and is under $30k.... especially if you want something that is pracitcal, reliable, and FUN/sporty.<p>accord/camry BARF. I want sometjhing that I will ENJOY driving.<p>a 335i woudl proably be my favorite drivers car, but the back seats are tight, likely tigher than a V70R and they are much much more money and hold less stuff. i can find used CPO V70R for probably 20-25k for a nice one. a 335i woudl run 30k+.<p>any other suggestions, thoughts??
 

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Get an '05 or '06 with 50k miles and CPO. DO not get this car without CPO. <p>Having said that, we are in the same boat. MDX as the primary family car (only one child so far though) and an aging V70R....what to replace it with? Can't figure that one out!! <p>Get it with a 6MT, softloader and sways and you'll be smiling!
 

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Re: Long Term reliability of V70R / S60R??? (blinky)

Blinky :<br>I want to suggest you check the legroom to be sure your family can really fit there because it is a tight squeeze and far, far less than in my new SUV. I'd stick my 3 boys in there who are, just-7, 8, and 10, but the 10 year old is getting pretty borderline for a fit. If my wife's not in the car he takes the front seat. When it's 5 of us they sit shoulder to shoulder and for anything more than a short trip it's just so tight that conflict is inevitable. <br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>It seem to be big enough for our asian family . <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Long Term reliability of V70R / S60R??? (23109VC)

Welcome back Sean!<p>I still have my V70R, going strong. Just turned over 60K miles.<p>If you can find one with the Volvo Extended Warranty, I would highly recommend getting that one. my Extended warranty already paid for itself.
 

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hey mike, long time no see.... glad you still have the V70R going!!<p>My R was sold a while ago...but I managed to get a Porsche in my garage, so it's not all bad here! It's an older one, but is a good one too! I alwasy thought my R really "handled"....then I drove a boxster.... <p>i have gone round and round about what to get to replace my aging S70. i don't want another S60R. been there done that. a V70R would be similar but "different". with threekids, the utility of a wagon would be nice.<p>i also like the TL. I've always liked the 3G TL Type S. i know it's FWD, but they look kind of cool, and are a nice blend of luxury and sportiness while still being "honda" reliable.<p>I want to get something relatively "cheap"..meaning around 25k. <p>i'll keep you all posted. the only downside to V70R s i that there aren't htat many out there. finding anice clean CPO one is not as easy as finding a CPO TL!<p>
 

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If you don't mind turning your own wrenches, investing in some diagnostic tools then I think the R is great.<p>Other than the price of parts and all the "modules" on the car I don't think it's much different than any other car.<p>Every single model of car on the road is going to have some inherant problems. Just the way it is.
 

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I purchased my o4 S60R in 05 with25K it is now pushing 90k and I have no issues with it at all. The car is a real pleasure to drive. No mechanical problems whatsoever. Early on i did replace the upper engine mount, the lower trans mounnt, removed the exhaust bracket. Fixed the center console lid. I could be the poster child for a long term study. I keep cars a very long time. My DD is an 89 S15 Jimmy with 470K and is in great shape. The other car is a 99 Subaru outback with 165K.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>23109VC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey mike, long time no see.... glad you still have the V70R going!!<p>My R was sold a while ago...but I managed to get a Porsche in my garage, so it's not all bad here! It's an older one, but is a good one too! I alwasy thought my R really "handled"....then I drove a boxster.... <p>i have gone round and round about what to get to replace my aging S70. i don't want another S60R. been there done that. a V70R would be similar but "different". with threekids, the utility of a wagon would be nice.<p>i also like the TL. I've always liked the 3G TL Type S. i know it's FWD, but they look kind of cool, and are a nice blend of luxury and sportiness while still being "honda" reliable.<p>I want to get something relatively "cheap"..meaning around 25k. <p>i'll keep you all posted. the only downside to V70R s i that there aren't htat many out there. finding anice clean CPO one is not as easy as finding a CPO TL!<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>You can always buy it non-CPO and purchase a VIP warranty from Volvo. Not cheap, but worth it, IMO, if you are going to keep the car another 5 years or so. <p>I think JRL has an '05 VR for sale, and he can CPO the car for not much. <p>VR's rock. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>I think JRL has an '05 VR for sale, and he can CPO the car for not much. <p> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>That's sold, I'm just waiting for the buyer to come pick it up
 

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Problem with VIP warranty is the cost. It was nearly $6k CAN for the long one. That is a failed collar, clutch slave and a strut or two.<p>I was able to get a CPO but it only extended the factory warranty one more year. Hopefully all the above stuff breaks before the warranty runs out. Then I'll keep it. I say the VR makes a perfect secondary family car.
 

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Warranties are sold in hopes of a profit. So if a car is expensive to maintain, the warranty will be expensive. No free lunches here.<p>I can only report on S60/V70 reliability overall--not enough Rs in the sample. The results I do have aren't promising:<p><A HREF="http://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability.php?stage=pt&bd=Volvo&mc=288&email=Guest" TARGET="_blank">Volvo S60 reliability comparisons</A>
 

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Honestly, I would expect the Boxster to be more reliable than an R with 80K+ miles...
 

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The V70R I found closes to me is high miles but cheap to buy.<p>83k miles. <br>asking $16k.<br>2005 V70R. blk/norkkap with nav. automatic.<p>if I bought this car, i'd add ECU, springs/sways and that w2oul be IT.<p>so i'd have a VERY low car payment...i'd likely put down $5k and finance 10k. my car payement woudl be way low but the big QQQ is would I be likely to get screwed in repirs.<p>i remmeber the sotries of angle gears, shocks going out, sensors here/there..that crap can add up fast on an R.<p>can you ge ta VIP warranty on a car that is already outside factory warranty? don't think you can... and if you mod it , good luck. even an ECU they'd likely void the warranty.. volvo is so lame when it comes to mods...<p>my boxser - Porsche doesn't care if I have exhaust, intake....they expect you to mod the damn thing...<p>
 

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Your old car got painted pink and was used for a Prop 8 gathering...for sale cheap on Craigs list.<p>Still pinching pennies I see <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> How are you?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>23109VC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The V70R I found closes to me is high miles but cheap to buy.<p>83k miles. <br>asking $16k.<br>2005 V70R. blk/norkkap with nav. automatic.<p>if I bought this car, i'd add ECU, springs/sways and that w2oul be IT.<p>i remmeber the sotries of angle gears, shocks going out, sensors here/there..that crap can add up fast on an R.<p>can you ge ta VIP warranty on a car that is already outside factory warranty? don't think you can... and if you mod it , good luck. even an ECU they'd likely void the warranty.. volvo is so lame when it comes to mods...<p>my boxser - Porsche doesn't care if I have exhaust, intake....they expect you to mod the damn thing...<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sean, no CPO available once your outside of the factory warranty. The V70R for $16k sounds a little pricey with the miles on it. I would be patient and look nationwide on Autotrader for the right one to pop up. Preferably with the VIP or CPO for less that 20k with around 50k miles on it is do able in my opinion.<br>BTW: From reading the Turbo 997 & 996 boards at Rennlist, sounds like Porsche is starting to jerk guys around for modding their cars too, as no one wants to pay out for warranty work. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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My Porsche dealership has been great about my R8 and Porsche ( Newport) they expect mods....well most mods. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Sean,<p>Perhaps ask Jim (JRL) to help you locate a car from auction. He's very meticulous about the cars. I had him check out my wagon before I bought it and got shipped to CA.
 
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