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For those of you that have both the Lidatek 30 laser defuser and the Valentine V1, are you having a sim experience to me?<p>The Lidatek has gone off a grand total of TWO times, both times scaring the living daylighs out of me and there was a real cop using laser both times. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The V1 goes off for every single freaking GMC Jimmy (rear brake light) and number of the fancy Infiniti SUVs (front laser cruise control I guess?). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Just seems weird that Valentine that is so good at detecting and filtering out false radar alarms have not been able to get the laser thing right while Lidatek seems to have it down perfectly.<p>Other having the same expereince?<p>
 

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Re: Lidatek versus V1 (FastWgn)

That sounds normal. If you are ladared by a police it will be lower near<br>front plate or headlights<p>The V1 is mounted too high to be shot at in reality but pics ups scatter and false easily<p>You can put a piece of electrical tape over the laser feature of the V1 and you should be in good shape <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Lidatek versus V1 (Helmut Ranff)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Helmut Ranff</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You can put a piece of electrical tape over the laser feature of the V1 and you should be in good shape <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Helmut: Careful with that. I was driving on Rt. 78 this weekend and there was a jackboot shooting LIDAR out. It was in the construction zone out by Exit 7. <p>Set off my V1, and there was another jackboot who had someone pulled over.<p>As far as the V1 and LIDAR, yes it definitely falses behind the JMC Envoy / Chevy Trailblazer. Must be the CHMSL. Also, laser cruise control (MB, Infiniti) will set it off. Also, when driving into the sun and spraying the windshield, it will go off.<p>Otherwise, it doesn't false enough to bother me.
 

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Re: Lidatek versus V1 (needsdecaf)

I am a laser God do not worry about me. His situation is that he has a laser and a radar dectector with laser.<p>That is why advise is I would use the V1 for radar only is my mine point
 

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Re: Lidatek versus V1 (Helmut Ranff)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Helmut Ranff</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am a laser God do not worry about me. His situation is that he has a laser and a radar dectector with laser.<p>That is why advise is I would use the V1 for radar only is my mine point</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually - you missunderstood me. I have an unbelievable amount of faith in the Valentine. Hence I'm just a bit surprised it's so sensitive for laser.<p>Covering the laser detector (front and rear) would save the annoying false alarms, but on the opther hand it may save my butt one day.<br>It was more of "hey - why is it that way?" kind of post. <p>
 

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Re: Lidatek versus V1 (FastWgn)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FastWgn</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For those of you that have both the Lidatek 30 laser defuser and the Valentine V1, are you having a sim experience to me?<p>The Lidatek has gone off a grand total of TWO times, both times scaring the living daylighs out of me and there was a real cop using laser both times. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The V1 goes off for every single freaking GMC Jimmy (rear brake light) and number of the fancy Infiniti SUVs (front laser cruise control I guess?). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Just seems weird that Valentine that is so good at detecting and filtering out false radar alarms have not been able to get the laser thing right while Lidatek seems to have it down perfectly.<p>Other having the same expereince?</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>The Lidatek is MUCH better at avoiding falses... Everytime I know I've been targeted the Lidatek has alerted.<p>So I just turned off the laser detection on the V1...If you goto valentine's site, you can download instructions on turning off the laser (no ghetto tape needed). I've also turned off X band as no one around here uses it, one less thing to false...<p>My V1 laser falsed when I had my NAV up too...<p>
 

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Re: Lidatek versus V1 (Helmut Ranff)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Helmut Ranff</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That sounds normal. If you are ladared by a police it will be lower near<br>front plate or headlights<p>The V1 is mounted too high to be shot at in reality but pics ups scatter and false easily<p> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is sort of a myth actually. The beam is rather wide, and any cop that aims at your car will move their hand enough to spray the entire car with laser light (unless they are so close that you should see them easily anyhow). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/redface.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>What is not as myth is light doesn't bend, and by definition laser is instant on only, so most of the time when you hear the V1 laser go off it's for your ticket. That's the beauty of the Lidatek of course. Blasts the cop with laser light and then gives you 5 seconds to slow down.<p>I'm sure we agree on rule number one - never, ever drive with a front license plate. Much tougher for them to get a reading if you have the plate removed, regardless of car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Lidatek versus V1 (cschmelz)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cschmelz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>So I just turned off the laser detection on the V1...If you goto valentine's site, you can download instructions on turning off the laser (no ghetto tape needed). I've also turned off X band as no one around here uses it, one less thing to false...<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not a bad idea....<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> Thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Lidatek versus V1 (FastWgn)

Using a beam divergance of 3.5 milliradians or .2005 degrees at 1000 feet that is a beam width of 3.5 feet not that wide or tall. That is probably average beam and many other guns are less. For this reason I have to disagree with the myth of large beam of ladar. In fact it is pretty much narrow and needs to be targeted well<p>The beam is directed low as the upper hood and windshield do not reflect as well. Front plates are most reflective which is why police manuals call for a front plate shot first. <p>I know my tape thing is ghetto but it will work. <p>The biggest point is the V1 ladar detector function is useless you need a jammer
 

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Re: Lidatek versus V1 (Helmut Ranff)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Helmut Ranff</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Using a beam divergance of 3.5 milliradians or .2005 degrees at 1000 feet that is a beam width of 3.5 feet not that wide or tall. That is probably average beam and many other guns are less. For this reason I have to disagree with the myth of large beam of ladar. In fact it is pretty much narrow and needs to be targeted well<p>The beam is directed low as the upper hood and windshield do not reflect as well. Front plates are most reflective which is why police manuals call for a front plate shot first. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think we may be saying the same thing. There is a reason why you usually see cops having the laser gun steadied on the roof or trunk of their car. At any distance, it virtually impossible to hold the beam steady.<p>The beam IS very narrow - but the user will usually move it aroudn and if you're lucky it will hit your V1 before it hits your license plate. <br>At short range you are obviously screwed unless you have a jammer.
 

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OK best way to say this is your Lidatek is closer to the beam concentration in a real (not false) ladar encounter than the V1 little lens. <p>60% of a beam needs to be directly reflected back to the gun and then 90% of the signature needs to create a map of no greater than +/- 1 mph<br>in the beam swath (3.5 or less)<p>So all of my blabbing means that in a real situation the V1 (tiny lens, that is mounted above the 60% beam width pulse he is sending you) is mostly not going to work until you are right on the police and then in that <br>instance the beam will light up the V1 as the beam will envelope the entire car. <p>For that reason turn it off or tape it which will keep it from falsing<p>I am a radar and ladar geek I am sorry for blabbing
 

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Re: Lidatek versus V1 (Helmut Ranff)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Helmut Ranff</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>So all of my blabbing means that in a real situation the V1 (tiny lens, that is mounted above the 60% beam width pulse he is sending you) is mostly not going to work until you are right on the police and then in that <br>instance the beam will light up the V1 as the beam will envelope the entire car. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>This ain't blabbing - this is learning something - I appreciate it!<p>We do agree, but I would asy that the only time V1 will help you is at great rnages where the beam is wide. At short range the beam will be centered on the "center of mass" (as it states in the manual for the Stalker laser gun).<p>But we agree - no license plate - jammer - pot stealth paint are the things to do to decrease your chane of a laser ticket. OR only go fast in the rain or at night. Very few cops use laser in conditions other than clear nice days, since it's very hard to see "who" they are aiming at without.<p>Lastly - this is one area where normal high beams beat Bi-Xenons all day long. Normal high beams throw off a lot of infra red light that confuses the lidar. Now if I could figure out how to put infra red bulbs in my high beam enclosures..... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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What software version of the V-1 do you have?<p>I also depend on the Lidatek for laser -- since I have the V-1 inside the pocket of a visor organizer, I haven't bothered to turn off the laser function, but I believe you can do so. I did get a slew of false alarms from the Lidatek at one time recently which I thought must be from a brake light because it was in an area where laser would never, ever be operating. It also never repeated. (I had one of the very first LE30s and it leaked, failed and was replaced under warranty. In that case the falses kept coming closer and closer together. Interesting enough the Lidatek would actually set off the V-1 when it falsed when the car was parked up against a wall.)<p>BTW in states that have no front plate, like Pennsylvania, they routinely shoot you with laser from behind.
 

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So it seems that the Lidatek is the clear choice for Laser defence. I assume that it lacks more traditional radar detection, which is why the V1 is probably still a keeper. Is there a "best in class" all-in package that folks recommend?<p>Thanks for the info, gents. Very interesting stuff.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I have the Passport X50 and the Zr3 shifters. I have had similar falsing experiences, and yes its freaks you out when you hear the warning go off and you realize there is one shooting at you. It has also saved me a few times already as well, no system is perfect. I can live with it, just like I can live with the '4C'.....
 

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Re: Lidatek versus V1 (24Hours)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>24Hours</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So it seems that the Lidatek is the clear choice for Laser defence. I assume that it lacks more traditional radar detection, which is why the V1 is probably still a keeper. Is there a "best in class" all-in package that folks recommend?<p>Thanks for the info, gents. Very interesting stuff.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Go to <A HREF="http://www.radartesst.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.radartesst.com</A> for some recent datapoints around laser jammers. This website is notorious for not liking the Valentine, but they seem a bit more impartial around lidar protection. <br>
 
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