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Great success K-pax. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>But, engine overheating? What oil do they use?<p><U>The new Mobil 1 Racing 0W-20 and 0W-30.</U><br>Track tested, these new oils provide boosted levels of anti-wear protection and exceptional high-temperature protection in high rpm engines, offering protection at temperatures up to 400°F. <p>However Mobil 1 Racing oils are not recommended for street use. <br> <br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stev vanveit</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Great success K-pax. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>But, engine overheating? What oil do they use?<p><br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>(Sigh)<br>Pobst WON the championship last year and this team is now leading this year, I think they know a little bit about oil and OIL per se has nothing to do with overheating.<br>Using a 5 cyl engine that was basically designed for 3-350 hp and now running perhaps 500 hp will have all sorts of heat issues!<br>They're good enough to figure it out soon enough
 

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Re: K PAX copied from Speed TV (stev vanveit)

<A HREF="http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10201011-48.html" TARGET="_blank">http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-1....html</A><p>George Dill
 

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Wow what great progress in oil technology. I'm glad I asked the question. Who would of thought that animal fats would produce a G-Oil SAE 5W-30 rating.<p>The article said that "G-Oil, has not yet been made mandatory for the race cars themselves - while interesting, in terms of giving the product more legitimacy, is less significant in terms of how it might change IMSA".<p>So I guess it's safe to assume that they could be using Mobile One Racing Oil?<p>Would you know if the animal fat oil can meet or exceed Mobil One in heat displacement.<p>I hope this isn't a silly question? Would the smell from using animal fat be like smelling a BBQ or deep fried French Chips?<p>
 

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Re: K PAX copied from Speed TV (stev vanveit)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stev vanveit</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.<p>I hope this isn't a silly question? Would the smell from using animal fat be like smelling a BBQ or deep fried French Chips?<p></TD></TR></TABLE><br>It is.<br>The<I> BEST</I> smelling oil was the old Castrol R racing oil made from real castor oil and you KNEW it when one went by.<br>(From the 60s early 70s)
 

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I haven't been to too many races myself so taping into ones senses like smell is much appreciated.<p>Pilgrim & Pobst Race K-PAX Volvo S60s to 1-2 SPEED GT Finish in New Jersey is a great win of endurance and mental focus for Volvo. Opening SS home page features their success story and reading it shows how sensitive the vehicles are and the nerves of steel it takes to be a driver.<p>I found it interesting that four wheel drive and rear wheel drive were featured in the same race. I imagine there are advantages and disadvantages to both so I was wondering if both Pilgrim and Pobst both drove four wheel race cars?<br>
 

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Re: K PAX copied from Speed TV (stev vanveit)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stev vanveit</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I found it interesting that four wheel drive and rear wheel drive were featured in the same race. I imagine there are advantages and disadvantages to both so I was wondering if both Pilgrim and Pobst both drove four wheel race cars?<p></TD></TR></TABLE><br>I don't think so.<br>The only other AWD (sedan) race cars were Audis. When they entered Trans Am many years ago, they won on a constant basis, they finally were banned for having a distinct handling advantage.<br>Now that being said, the Audi AWD system is MUCH more sophisticated than Volvo's will ever be!<br>Disadvantages, none that I know of as long as the system is working properly
 

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Volvo's awd system has nothing to do with the K-Pax/3R cars...
 

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I'm not so sure about that.<br><B>It IS a Haldex</B> which I'm sure has been heavily reprogrammed<br>It might have a different unit and programming but it's the <B>same basic design</B>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not so sure about that.<br><B>It IS a Haldex</B> which I'm sure has been heavily reprogrammed<br>It might have a different unit and programming but it's the <B>same basic design</B></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sure?<p>Think they are using something like this,<p><br> <IMG SRC="http://www.xtrac.com/enlarge/532%20gearbox.jpg" BORDER="0">
 

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Do data, research & development info from independent race teams ever contribute to the development of factory cars? In other words, do manufacturers take notice of what independent race teams learn in their racing experiences?
 

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Hey<p>I pulled this from the SS home page where it mentions AWD and I think front wheel drive and I have to assume rear wheel Mustang along with the Corvette... etc.<p>Even the main photo shows a FORD Mustang in the rear, smelling of BBQ.... lol<p><I>Meanwhile Pobst was moving smartly up as he was 9th by lap five and had the #1 K-PAX Volvo on the move but he was over 20 seconds behind the leaders and had no hope of catching them without some help. <p>Help first came in the form of light rain which gave Pobst and his <B>all-wheel-drive</B> Volvo S60 a greater edge on the rest of the field but this still wouldn’t be enough.<p>As the race continued the rain intensified and this brought a full course caution which made actually race leader Andy Pilgrim happy and made his team mate Pobst ecstatic.<p>“I tried to maintain a pace and I didn't scrub the front tires too badly,” said Pilgrim. “I obviously knew where Brandon [Davis in 2nd position] was. Sometimes he'd catch me if I was a bit too easy on it. To gap him, <B>I had to really push it on the front tires</B>. So, to be honest, I was actually glad when the yellow came out. The rain was a huge bonus when the rain came out. Obviously, with <B>four-wheel drive</B>, we have a huge advantage.”<p>“After stopping, the focus became driving the best I could,” said Pobst. “I knew that without a yellow or maybe if started raining, I would never be able to catch back up. I got both of those good breaks. So, for me, it was a very lucky day.”<p>When the race went back to green Andy Pilgrim held the lead as was able to open up a gap over Davis’ <B>Mustang</B> in 2nd. But because of the caution Pilgrim had a new competitor to worry about in the form of his team mate Randy Pobst. <p>Pobst used the all-wheel-drive in his Volvo S60 to great advantage and launched past Eric Curran’s <B>Corvette </B>on the restart and drove around Davis for the second spot a few turns later.<p>“At the end, I saw Randy come back up to fifth,” Pilgrim said of the final laps. “I thought he was going to get by those other guys pretty quick because it is slippery right now. And, sure enough he was coming. As it dried out, I pushed it harder and harder and he was right there. He didn't do any dive bomb moves on me thank goodness.”<p>“I had a chance to catch Andy at the end, but he was just too strong,” said Pobst. “Besides that you don’t do something foolish on a wet track when your team is running 1-2.”</I><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by stev vanveit at 12:15 AM 5-5-2009</i>
 

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What's that saying "can't see the forest for the trees" Well the name of the oil was written on the front of the race car.<p>"Red Line Oil" is what they use.<p>Either 40WT with a flash point of 527 degrees F. Or 50WT with a 522 degree F flash point.<p><I>Which now has got my curiosity even more as to what was the overheating problem? Coolant possibly?</I>
 

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Re: K PAX copied from Speed TV (stev vanveit)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stev vanveit</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.<p><I>Which now has got my curiosity even more as to what was the overheating problem? Coolant possibly?</I></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Are you still at this silliness?<p>All they needed was to fit a larger radiator.<br>This happens with race cars all the time, especially NEW race cars.<br>Until they find the balance" in the drivetrain, all these sorts of teething issues are quite normal.\<p>I found out yesterday that these cars are getting about 550 HP out of a basically STOCK R block! That generates an awful lot of heat.<br>They obviously found stuff that At Speed never did a few years ago
 

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Silliness? I don't know do you really think so? I know this side of SS Motorsport take their cars very seriously but being a rookie in the sense does carry with it a certain forgiveness clause and besides a bit of harmless humour is good for the soul.<p>From my experience with speedboats the engine along with it's total cooling system should be tested in a laboratory. There is a shop down the road from me that tests everything (engines etc) from NASCAR to the National Research Centre here in Canada. They are called West Carleton Automotive Engineering.<p>So if all they needed was a large radiator well testing for total meltdown in a laboratory could of saved them a lot of grief. However, real life race performance does cause hiccups not found in any lab.<p>EDIT Note: I just picked this up from another thread "sleeved pistons contributing to crank harmonics". <I>What's that old Spielberg move about tuning harmonics so as to communicate with the aliens?... lol</I><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by stev vanveit at 8:36 AM 5-5-2009</i>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stev vanveit</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>From my experience with speedboats the engine along with it's total cooling system should be tested in a laboratory. There is a shop down the road from me that tests everything (engines etc) from NASCAR to the National Research Centre here in Canada. They are called West Carleton Automotive Engineering.<p><br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>This is all well and good for say F1 where they spend <B>MILLIONS </B>on development.<br>This team is running on a relatively LOW budget, what they have done so far is short of miraculous!<br>You can test in a lab all you want, it's no substitute for real world testing and racing.<br>They found the problem in a week or two, never blew up an engine and that in itself is nothing short of fantastic!<br>You don't race, I used to, so I know what's involved
 

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KPax running on a low budget...I laughed. Since when is 300k+ for a single saloon car low budget? Most of the time the team who puts in the most money, comes out on top.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoshV70_</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">KPax running on a low budget...I laughed. Since when is 300k+ for a single saloon car low budget? Most of the time the team who puts in the most money, comes out on top.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>300k is pocket change when you compare it to the hundreds of millions of F1 teams spend in their budgets.
 
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