just discovered this forum.....<p>Just ordered a white 2.5T, with premium, climate and Navigation, with Taupe leather. <p>Apparently, this was part of their allocation, and I had time to add the climate and delete the third row (and I had choice of seat colors). <p>So, not a custom order, but exactly what we wanted, ordered yesterday. <p>This is for my wife, to complement my black BMW X5 3.0<p>
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Welcome to Swedespeed. Please let us know how you think the XC90 compares to your X5. I'm curious to hear it from people who've spent decent seat time in both.
Welcome to Swedespeed. Please let us know how you think the XC90 compares to your X5. I'm curious to hear it from people who've spent decent seat time in both.
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Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (gruffster)
Gruffster, Where are you getting your car from? Please look at Edmunds.com chat posts for XC90. Post 371 (or close) Volvomax is a Volvo dealer. He says that first deliveries will NOT have nav. I asked this specific question and there were two posts saying that it was not available. Are you absolutely sure that you are getting it? I'd like to talk to your dealership if they KNOW this for a fact....If you really are getting this than good for you! I can't get my dealer to commit to time, date, car or anything else and I'm # 3 on list.
Gruffster, Where are you getting your car from? Please look at Edmunds.com chat posts for XC90. Post 371 (or close) Volvomax is a Volvo dealer. He says that first deliveries will NOT have nav. I asked this specific question and there were two posts saying that it was not available. Are you absolutely sure that you are getting it? I'd like to talk to your dealership if they KNOW this for a fact....If you really are getting this than good for you! I can't get my dealer to commit to time, date, car or anything else and I'm # 3 on list.
Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (sleepless2)
Sleepless...I'm getting the car from Westside Volvo in Cleveland. It was apparently going to be a white 2.5 with third row and premium package. They told me I could still add climate and NAV, and delete the third row. My salesman had to go ask about adding the NAV, and was told (by whom I don't know) that it could still be added. He is telling me delivery 1st week December. <p>You have me a little worried, since with no NAV they have no deal. <p>And hey, are you really talking about "settling" for a X5? It is an awesome vehicle. (I've had mine for 2.5 years).
Sleepless...I'm getting the car from Westside Volvo in Cleveland. It was apparently going to be a white 2.5 with third row and premium package. They told me I could still add climate and NAV, and delete the third row. My salesman had to go ask about adding the NAV, and was told (by whom I don't know) that it could still be added. He is telling me delivery 1st week December. <p>You have me a little worried, since with no NAV they have no deal. <p>And hey, are you really talking about "settling" for a X5? It is an awesome vehicle. (I've had mine for 2.5 years).
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Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (gruffster)
Gruffster, Thanks for the quick reply. You are in the same place as me. I will not take without the NAV. Did not mean to "dis" any one on the X5. BMW is of course a leader in the field it is just not my personal first choice. The "settling" comment had to do with frustration on wanting another and yet availability eluding me. I am a solid Lexus fan (we've owned 3) but the Volvo just knocked my socks off and I was prepared to jump. The timing does not seem to be aligned for me and without something more than rumor, dis-information and the good folks on the chat rooms I can't see my way to wait for a special order vehicle to get NAV. Would appreciate any firm info from anyone but I think that may be wishful thinking (there is no firm info. Didn't mean to upset your "high". Actually I'm now thinking about the Lexus GX470 which is due for release on Dec 1. Volvo needs to get off the dime and announce what they are doing...
Gruffster, Thanks for the quick reply. You are in the same place as me. I will not take without the NAV. Did not mean to "dis" any one on the X5. BMW is of course a leader in the field it is just not my personal first choice. The "settling" comment had to do with frustration on wanting another and yet availability eluding me. I am a solid Lexus fan (we've owned 3) but the Volvo just knocked my socks off and I was prepared to jump. The timing does not seem to be aligned for me and without something more than rumor, dis-information and the good folks on the chat rooms I can't see my way to wait for a special order vehicle to get NAV. Would appreciate any firm info from anyone but I think that may be wishful thinking (there is no firm info. Didn't mean to upset your "high". Actually I'm now thinking about the Lexus GX470 which is due for release on Dec 1. Volvo needs to get off the dime and announce what they are doing...
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Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (sleepless2)
You guys need to find someone who is going to give you straight answers.<p>It is still possible to custom-order an XC90 by October 20th and have it delivered by December 16th (provided that you are among the first who have given deposits). WITH or WITHOUT Navigation System. End of story.<p>Yannis
You guys need to find someone who is going to give you straight answers.<p>It is still possible to custom-order an XC90 by October 20th and have it delivered by December 16th (provided that you are among the first who have given deposits). WITH or WITHOUT Navigation System. End of story.<p>Yannis
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Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (GrecianVolvo)
Thank you Yannis for the clarification. Heading to my dealership with your post in hand...
Thank you Yannis for the clarification. Heading to my dealership with your post in hand...
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Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (GrecianVolvo)
Yannis. You're the man! My husband took your post to the dealership this morning (re: our special order becoming part of the first allocation) and and the new sales mgr (who started today) let us order the car we wanted. We are one happy couple! Thank you so much for the info.
Yannis. You're the man! My husband took your post to the dealership this morning (re: our special order becoming part of the first allocation) and and the new sales mgr (who started today) let us order the car we wanted. We are one happy couple! Thank you so much for the info.
Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (sleepless2)
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Yannis. You're the man! My husband took your post to the dealership this morning (re: our special order becoming part of the first allocation) and and the new sales mgr (who started today) let us order the car we wanted. We are one happy couple! Thank you so much for the info. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>I wonder if one can custom order an XC90 with Bi-Xenon headlights without the Climate Package. Not that the Climate Package is a bad feature but I find no use for it in Sunny Orlando, Florida. Yannis?
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Yannis. You're the man! My husband took your post to the dealership this morning (re: our special order becoming part of the first allocation) and and the new sales mgr (who started today) let us order the car we wanted. We are one happy couple! Thank you so much for the info. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>I wonder if one can custom order an XC90 with Bi-Xenon headlights without the Climate Package. Not that the Climate Package is a bad feature but I find no use for it in Sunny Orlando, Florida. Yannis?
Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (crikey)
Clarification:<br>The XC90s that are already enroute will not have Nav.<br>The ones that we are ordering now, w/ open LDOC's can have Nav.<br>Don't believe the early arrival dates however.<br>Also you must have the climate pkg for the Bi-Xenons because of the headlight washers that are part of the package.<br>Federal law states that if a car is equipped w/ Xenon lights it must have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses.<br>Bi-Xenon is now available<br>
Clarification:<br>The XC90s that are already enroute will not have Nav.<br>The ones that we are ordering now, w/ open LDOC's can have Nav.<br>Don't believe the early arrival dates however.<br>Also you must have the climate pkg for the Bi-Xenons because of the headlight washers that are part of the package.<br>Federal law states that if a car is equipped w/ Xenon lights it must have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses.<br>Bi-Xenon is now available<br>
Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (VolvoMax)
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Federal law states that if a car is equipped w/ Xenon lights it must have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses.<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>I did not know this...interesting. Question is, how come Acura TL/CLs have Xenons but do not have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses? How is Acura able to get away with this? And I also do not recall seeing any of the Lexus automobiles like the RX300 or the IS300 having a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses but still have Xenons.<BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Federal law states that if a car is equipped w/ Xenon lights it must have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses.<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>I did not know this...interesting. Question is, how come Acura TL/CLs have Xenons but do not have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses? How is Acura able to get away with this? And I also do not recall seeing any of the Lexus automobiles like the RX300 or the IS300 having a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses but still have Xenons.<BR><BR>
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Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (crikey)
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Federal law states that if a car is equipped w/ Xenon lights it must have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses.<p><br>I did not know this...interesting. Question is, how come Acura TL/CLs have Xenons but do not have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses? How is Acura able to get away with this? And I also do not recall seeing any of the Lexus automobiles like the RX300 or the IS300 having a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses but still have Xenons.<p><br>[Modified by crikey, 5:27 PM 10-17-2002]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>They should have a way to clean the headlights via a high pressure wash system, not a wiper. The reason that they cannot have a wiper on the headlamps is that the lense is plastic and the wiper would scratch it.<p>Yannis
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Federal law states that if a car is equipped w/ Xenon lights it must have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses.<p><br>I did not know this...interesting. Question is, how come Acura TL/CLs have Xenons but do not have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses? How is Acura able to get away with this? And I also do not recall seeing any of the Lexus automobiles like the RX300 or the IS300 having a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses but still have Xenons.<p><br>[Modified by crikey, 5:27 PM 10-17-2002]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>They should have a way to clean the headlights via a high pressure wash system, not a wiper. The reason that they cannot have a wiper on the headlamps is that the lense is plastic and the wiper would scratch it.<p>Yannis
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Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (VolvoMax)
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Clarification:<br>The XC90s that are already enroute will not have Nav.<br>The ones that we are ordering now, w/ open LDOC's can have Nav.<br>Don't believe the early arrival dates however.<br>Also you must have the climate pkg for the Bi-Xenons because of the headlight washers that are part of the package.<br>Federal law states that if a car is equipped w/ Xenon lights it must have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses.<br>Bi-Xenon is now available<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Not exactly true; there are cars that are arriving in November and are equipped with both Nav system and Bi-Xenon headlamps. But there are very few since most Volvo Market Managers opted out of that option following an unwritten Company "directive" to keep the amount of options to "minimum".<p>You might be right about the "early arrival dates" but that would not apply to all cars. There are some cars that are going to be delayed, primarily those who were configured with the T6 Premium Package and about 1,000 very early production cars that are having a hard time with Quality Control.<p>I have never heard of that Federal Law on Xenon headlamps but you may be right. Plus, those headlamps do not have a glass lens so you can't have wipers on them; they will get scratched.<p><br>Yannis
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Clarification:<br>The XC90s that are already enroute will not have Nav.<br>The ones that we are ordering now, w/ open LDOC's can have Nav.<br>Don't believe the early arrival dates however.<br>Also you must have the climate pkg for the Bi-Xenons because of the headlight washers that are part of the package.<br>Federal law states that if a car is equipped w/ Xenon lights it must have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses.<br>Bi-Xenon is now available<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Not exactly true; there are cars that are arriving in November and are equipped with both Nav system and Bi-Xenon headlamps. But there are very few since most Volvo Market Managers opted out of that option following an unwritten Company "directive" to keep the amount of options to "minimum".<p>You might be right about the "early arrival dates" but that would not apply to all cars. There are some cars that are going to be delayed, primarily those who were configured with the T6 Premium Package and about 1,000 very early production cars that are having a hard time with Quality Control.<p>I have never heard of that Federal Law on Xenon headlamps but you may be right. Plus, those headlamps do not have a glass lens so you can't have wipers on them; they will get scratched.<p><br>Yannis
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Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (sleepless2)
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Yannis. You're the man! My husband took your post to the dealership this morning (re: our special order becoming part of the first allocation) and and the new sales mgr (who started today) let us order the car we wanted. We are one happy couple! Thank you so much for the info. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Cool! I am glad that you ordered what you wanted! Now, you can change your nickname from "Sleepless" to "Sleeping well"! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p><br>Yannis
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Yannis. You're the man! My husband took your post to the dealership this morning (re: our special order becoming part of the first allocation) and and the new sales mgr (who started today) let us order the car we wanted. We are one happy couple! Thank you so much for the info. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Cool! I am glad that you ordered what you wanted! Now, you can change your nickname from "Sleepless" to "Sleeping well"! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p><br>Yannis
Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (GrecianVolvo)
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Federal law states that if a car is equipped w/ Xenon lights it must have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses.<p><br>I did not know this...interesting. Question is, how come Acura TL/CLs have Xenons but do not have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses? How is Acura able to get away with this? And I also do not recall seeing any of the Lexus automobiles like the RX300 or the IS300 having a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses but still have Xenons.<p><br>[Modified by crikey, 5:27 PM 10-17-2002]<p>They should have a way to clean the headlights via a high pressure wash system, not a wiper. The reason that they cannot have a wiper on the headlamps is that the lense is plastic and the wiper would scratch it.<p>Yannis<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Still find this Federal Law hard to believe since a lot of automobiles out there have Xenon lights like Acura TLs/CLs and Lexus IS300 and none of those vehicles have any sort of automated, mechanical device that cleans the headlights. Is this Federal Law new? Is this to justify the Climate Package to coexist with Bi-Xenon headlights?<BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Federal law states that if a car is equipped w/ Xenon lights it must have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses.<p><br>I did not know this...interesting. Question is, how come Acura TL/CLs have Xenons but do not have a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses? How is Acura able to get away with this? And I also do not recall seeing any of the Lexus automobiles like the RX300 or the IS300 having a way to automatically clean the headlight lenses but still have Xenons.<p><br>[Modified by crikey, 5:27 PM 10-17-2002]<p>They should have a way to clean the headlights via a high pressure wash system, not a wiper. The reason that they cannot have a wiper on the headlamps is that the lense is plastic and the wiper would scratch it.<p>Yannis<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Still find this Federal Law hard to believe since a lot of automobiles out there have Xenon lights like Acura TLs/CLs and Lexus IS300 and none of those vehicles have any sort of automated, mechanical device that cleans the headlights. Is this Federal Law new? Is this to justify the Climate Package to coexist with Bi-Xenon headlights?<BR><BR>
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Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (crikey)
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Still find this Federal Law hard to believe since a lot of automobiles out there have Xenon lights like Acura TLs/CLs and Lexus IS300 and none of those vehicles have any sort of automated, mechanical device that cleans the headlights. Is this Federal Law new? Is this to justify the Climate Package to coexist with Bi-Xenon headlights?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>It is the law in Europe for sure, but I don't think that law applies here in North America yet. Currently, there are no Japanese cars with "Bi-Xenon" headlamps and all of them with "Xenons" do not have any kind of washing system. Some of them do have an automatic leveling like the Infiniti Q45.<p>It is for safety reasons that this law exists in Europe, so I don't think that Volvo wanted to change anything considering all the negative press that HID has been getting here already. IIRC, all other Euro car makers with Xenon HID have to have some sort of cleaning system as well, not just Volvo.<p>-Drew
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Still find this Federal Law hard to believe since a lot of automobiles out there have Xenon lights like Acura TLs/CLs and Lexus IS300 and none of those vehicles have any sort of automated, mechanical device that cleans the headlights. Is this Federal Law new? Is this to justify the Climate Package to coexist with Bi-Xenon headlights?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>It is the law in Europe for sure, but I don't think that law applies here in North America yet. Currently, there are no Japanese cars with "Bi-Xenon" headlamps and all of them with "Xenons" do not have any kind of washing system. Some of them do have an automatic leveling like the Infiniti Q45.<p>It is for safety reasons that this law exists in Europe, so I don't think that Volvo wanted to change anything considering all the negative press that HID has been getting here already. IIRC, all other Euro car makers with Xenon HID have to have some sort of cleaning system as well, not just Volvo.<p>-Drew
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR><br>It is the law in Europe for sure, but I don't think that law applies here in North America yet. Currently, there are no Japanese cars with "Bi-Xenon" headlamps and all of them with "Xenons" do not have any kind of washing system. Some of them do have an automatic leveling like the Infiniti Q45.<p>It is for safety reasons that this law exists in Europe, so I don't think that Volvo wanted to change anything considering all the negative press that HID has been getting here already. IIRC, all other Euro car makers with Xenon HID have to have some sort of cleaning system as well, not just Volvo.<p>-Drew<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Now, this would make sense. Thanks, Drew. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0">
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR><br>It is the law in Europe for sure, but I don't think that law applies here in North America yet. Currently, there are no Japanese cars with "Bi-Xenon" headlamps and all of them with "Xenons" do not have any kind of washing system. Some of them do have an automatic leveling like the Infiniti Q45.<p>It is for safety reasons that this law exists in Europe, so I don't think that Volvo wanted to change anything considering all the negative press that HID has been getting here already. IIRC, all other Euro car makers with Xenon HID have to have some sort of cleaning system as well, not just Volvo.<p>-Drew<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Now, this would make sense. Thanks, Drew. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0">
Re: Just ordered...1st week December delivery (crikey)
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Now, this would make sense. Thanks, Drew. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>This is a statement from Siemens VDO, for future reference:<p><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>European law requires vehicles with Xenon or HID lights to have headlight washing systems capable of cleaning off dirt that can diffract light and blind oncoming traffic.<p>European regulations require that the headlamp leveling of HID-equipped cars be linked to the suspension system of the car so the lamps don't glare into oncoming traffic when the rear of the car is loaded down or the car is heading uphill. Xenon-equipped European vehicles imported to this country all have self-leveling systems, but American regulations don't require auto-leveling.<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>-Drew
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Now, this would make sense. Thanks, Drew. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>This is a statement from Siemens VDO, for future reference:<p><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>European law requires vehicles with Xenon or HID lights to have headlight washing systems capable of cleaning off dirt that can diffract light and blind oncoming traffic.<p>European regulations require that the headlamp leveling of HID-equipped cars be linked to the suspension system of the car so the lamps don't glare into oncoming traffic when the rear of the car is loaded down or the car is heading uphill. Xenon-equipped European vehicles imported to this country all have self-leveling systems, but American regulations don't require auto-leveling.<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>-Drew
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