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My heart is hurting at all the automotive souls being lost to this bogus cash for clunkers program. Are we going to lose a lot of 240s or does it not qualify as a gas hog? Any thoughts?<p>I've been looking for a nice 240 but I hear that the car's engine needs to be seized in order to qualify for the payout. This could be tragic in sourcing good older cars. I've already read a lot of Saab 900 turbos are going to waste.
 

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Re: Is a 240 a "clunker" ? (ACD)

What year 240 are you looking at?<p>Do you plan to cash it in on the clunkers program?<p>George Dill
 

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Re: Is a 240 a "clunker" ? (gdill2)

The body on my '88 automatic is a bit rough, but it's mechanically sound, so I wouldn't call it a clunker, and on a recent highway trip with the '89 5-speed I got 8.1 L/100 km (about 35 mpg (C) or 31.5 MPG (US)), and that was cruising at about 125 km/hr., so that's no clunker either. I think that most RWD Volvos have a special type of owner who keeps the car in good shape, and when it's used up either keeps it for parts, sells it as a parts car, or strips the usable parts and then sells it for scrap. There may be a few which go into the clunker program, but I think there'll still be a supply of good used ones, especially in the US with it's larger market.
 

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Re: Is a 240 a "clunker" ? (gdill2)

I'm looking at '83-'93 models.<p>I would never cash one in for that BS program. It's killing a soul for monetary gain.<p>Melodrama aside, I hope it is true that Volvo 240 owners would value what they have.
 

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Re: Is a 240 a "clunker" ? (ACD)

I don't know of any 240 that qualifies as a clunker. My '86 wagon automatic is rated 19mpg. Others ('86+) I see are rated 20mpg or higher. Clunkers are 18mpg or lower and newer than 25 years.<p>Some oddities in the clunker program. A 2008 Lambourghini worth $160,000 qualifies as a clunker.<br>
 

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Re: Is a 240 a "clunker" ? (John2x240)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>John2x240</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The body on my '88 automatic is a bit rough, but it's mechanically sound, so I wouldn't call it a clunker, </TD></TR></TABLE><p>^^^ That's probably because you aren't a Washington elitist who think that anything that didn't cost over $60,000 new and is now over seven years old is a clunker. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Is a 240 a "clunker" ? (JBLasVegas)

There are some cars over $60 grand I could be interested in if I could afford 'em. But then, I would also like a better tow vehicle and enclosed trailer, maybe an EFI peripheral port 13B for the RX7 ... and a spare <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ... , and a nice six speed close ratio racing tranny, and some up-grades to my shop. And oh yeah, a full restoration for the '89 240 along with some hot bits for it for my "Sunday go to meeting" car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> Hmm, now where did the money for that $60 + grand car go to? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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If you go on this website, <A HREF="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm</A>, it will tell you what the combined fuel economy for your 240 is. The combine fuel economy must be 18 mpg or worse, which I don't think the 240 is.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBLasVegas</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>^^^ That's probably because you aren't a Washington elitist who think that anything that didn't cost over $60,000 new and is now over seven years old is a clunker. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>0_o<p>My 242 ACTUALLY clunks and i still wouldnt cash in on crap..
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>fcpgroton</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you go on this website, <A HREF="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm</A>, it will tell you what the combined fuel economy for your 240 is. The combine fuel economy must be 18 mpg or worse, which I don't think the 240 is.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>My 1993 240 doesn't qualify but a 1999-2001 S80 T6 does and there is a vid on you-tube of the tech's siezing the engine.<p>The turbo's blew and then it spewed oil like it's throat was slit. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My 1993 240 doesn't qualify but a 1999-2001 S80 T6 does and there is a vid on you-tube of the tech's siezing the engine.<p>The turbo's blew and then it spewed oil like it's throat was slit.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is just wrong.
 

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You bet it's wrong! A couple of months ago , that identical car was up for sale on ebay for an awfully good price. The seller was on the West Side of L.A., and since that Volvo had California plates, I could bet (Hey... this is Las Vegas, after all) that it's the same car. That video really pisses me off... I mean REALLY!!! Some not-so-affluent family could have used that car, I'm sure. That video is going to put me in a crappy mood for the rest of the day.
 

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clunker?!

Ha! no way would I trade my beloved '85 240 (even if it did qualify).<br>I can't think of another car with a 1200lb load capacity that's so easy to fix, doesn't burn any oil, and is pretty clean with regards to emmissions.<br>not to mention the factory tape deck!<br>how many years would I get out of an econobox anyway?<p>
 

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I'd be FAR more concerned about the fact that tons of excellent 240s are dying every day in Hollywood. You've seen them, as the "crash-into" vehicles that line the streets during car chases. <p>Or maybe as the vehicle driven--then wrecked--by the old couple, suburban mom, college professor or reckless teen.<p>Shameful, shameful.<p>[We should start a charity...]<p>AWD
 

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Re: Is a 240 a "clunker" ? (ACD)

So according to the official pdf of cars traded in for cash-for-clunkers, the 240 did apparently slip through the cracks, though pretty nominally:<p>240<br>1993 - 1<p>240 Wagon<br>1990 - 1<p>240 DL/GL<br>1987 - 1<br>1988 - 1<p>240 DL/GL Wagon<br>1989 - 56<p>240 DL/GL/Turbo<br>1985 - 3<p>240 DL/GL/Turbo Wagon<br>1984 - 2<br>1985 - 3<p>So a quick add up and we've lost 68 240s from the ranks. A surprising number from the ’89 model year.<p>Here's the link for anyone interested:<br><A HREF="http://www.cars.gov/files/official-information/trade-in-vehicles.pdf" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cars.gov/files/offi...s.pdf</A>
 

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Re: Is a 240 a "clunker" ? (ACD)

I am surprised to see that. How did they slip through the cracks?<br>And then that makes me wonder if the dealers will ever see their $4500. for cars that really were not part of the program?<p>
 
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