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FYI for anyone that was thinking of just installing the rear track spec bar on their S60R - don't do it!! I had just the rear bar on for a bout a week and it made the car horribly unpredictable and loose.<p>Forget about using the Volvo jack - invest in a real low profile hydraulic jack (you need it anyway to install the front bar).<br><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/SWINST1.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>Starting out is fairly simple...just remove some hangers to drop the exhaust and parking brake cables. The fun part is dealing with the driver's side shock assembly. Or more precisely getting the thing back in place once you have the new bar installed. After my installation I think I saw a thread where someone stated that you don't need to disconnect the shock assembly at the top/body frame – just at the bottom on the lower control arm. If so, I would highly recommend trying to do the install without removing the upper mounting bolts. Otherwise be prepared for a fun time trying to get the dang thing back in (a helper is almost a must to push down on the suspension). Other than that the installation went smooth.<br><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/SWINST2.JPG" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/SWINST3.JPG" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/SWINST4.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>Some pictures of the finished rear install:<br><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/SWINST5.JPG" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/SWINST6.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>Another one showing the size difference - OEM on top, upgraded on the bottom:<br><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/SWINST7.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>Well that was fun - took me about five hours (yes, the shock assembly was a big PITA). <p>Fast forward a week...now for the front bar (no, I don't know how that non-Volvo got in the driveway):<br><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/FSBINST1.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>Stock bar and end link on the drivers side:<br><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/FSBINST2.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>You do have to drop the engine sub frame – and we're talking about a good bit:<br><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/FSBINST3.JPG" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/FSBINST4.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>I swear these QBM front endlinks should be classified as weapons (they are beefy)! I stuck one of the stubby rear OEM endlinks in there for a size comparison.<br><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/FSBINST5.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>Some pictures of the finished front install (passenger's side):<br><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/FSBINST6.JPG" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://64.5.33.51/S60/FSBINST7.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>All and all I actually found the front bar to be easier to install than the rear - although it may have been a little more nerve racking. It took me a little over 3 hours. <p>Installing the front bar will totally screw up your alignment – don't plan on driving any long distances unless you like to eat tires. Also be sure that you know who has the necessary equipment to perform a full alignment on your car. My dealer didn't have the machine – only one place here locally has it (apparently some laser/camera thing – was hard to get an explanation from anyone).<p>Driving thoughts: OMG!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> I just did not realize how much of a nose heavy under steering dog the R is until now. With the bars and links I can absolutely hug the inside of corners like glue. In fact, looking back, the former under steer the car had is a little scary. <p>If you're thinking of going with track spec but are afraid of too much over steer – don't be. Given the R's AWD with a FWD bias, you still have to push the car hard to get the rear end to swing. You're not going to fishtail the car under normal road driving circumstances.<p>However, if you drive around with DSTC full on all the time, I wouldn't bother with the track spec kit. I drive around with DSTC reduced on good days and only leave DSTC full on when it's raining. <p>Whichever bar(s) you decide to get, get it soon and get rid of the OEM under steer! If the car handled from the factory like it does now I'm sure it would have a much larger following!<br>
 

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Re: IPD Track Spec Anti-Sway Bars and QBM Endlinks Install (we R obsessed)

Very nicely done! What are your thoughts on the QBM links? I remember them being adjustable. At what pretension setting did you set the links at?
 

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Re: IPD Track Spec Anti-Sway Bars and QBM Endlinks Install (mike_c70)

Thanks! The QBM links will probably out last every other part on the car! I have the links set to the same length as the OEM links - haven't played around with them yet. If you're going to be installing larger anti-sway bars you’re going to be putting more force on the stock end links. I would upgrade to at least the upgraded IPD links if you don’t want to shell out the $$ for the QBM links.
 

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Re: IPD Track Spec Anti-Sway Bars and QBM Endlinks Install (we R obsessed)

Great write up. <p>On the sub frame...are you just using a hydro lift to lower the sub frame? Was it pretty easy? I have a craftsman hydraulic jack and I need to change out the bushings on the Evolve Sways. I was just going to take it to the dealer, but it looks pretty easy. I think I'm even using the same jack you are.
 

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Re: IPD Track Spec Anti-Sway Bars and QBM Endlinks Install (we R obsessed)

Very nice overview.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>we R obsessed</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Installing the front bar will totally screw up your alignment </TD></TR></TABLE> <p>Why is that? I didn't see where anything would have been changed unless the subframe removal/re-install moves something?<p>Pat
 

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Re: IPD Track Spec Anti-Sway Bars and QBM Endlinks Install (we R obsessed)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>we R obsessed</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The QBM links will probably out last every other part on the car! </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Will they need lubrication? If so, how often? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: IPD Track Spec Anti-Sway Bars and QBM Endlinks Install (KillerB)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KillerB</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>On the sub frame...are you just using a hydro lift to lower the sub frame? Was it pretty easy? I have a craftsman hydraulic jack and I need to change out the bushings on the Evolve Sways. I was just going to take it to the dealer, but it looks pretty easy. I think I'm even using the same jack you are.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well I do consider myself to be more mechanical than most people. If you have any doubts about doing the work yourself, take it to someone!<p>Yes, it's a 1.5 ton Craftsman hydraulic jack. I first used it to raise the car by placing the jack under the front engine sub frame cross member. I placed the jack stands directly rear of the recommended lift points – you have to remove the plates to drop the sub frame.<p>There are some other steps I had to perform: remove two DP/exhaust mounting brackets...also had to remove the 4 nuts and 1 bolt holding the steering rack to the sub frame.<p>I placed the hydraulic jack under the rear sub frame cross member, loosened the front sub frame bolts a few turns and removed the rear sub frame bolts/lift point brackets. I then CAREFULLY lowered the jack enough to get the bar out – but still supported the frame with the jack. <p>Have a look at IPD's install PDFs for more details: <A HREF="http://www.ipdusa.com/ProductsCat.aspx?CategoryID=649&NodeID=1360&RootID=629" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ipdusa.com/Products...D=629</A><p>You may not need to drop the frame all that much too just change the bushings.
 

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Re: IPD Track Spec Anti-Sway Bars and QBM Endlinks Install (Pat S)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Pat S</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><<Installing the front bar will totally screw up your alignment >><br>Why is that? I didn't see where anything would have been changed unless the subframe removal/re-install moves something?<p>Pat</TD></TR></TABLE><p>#1 – you're changing the alignment of the steering rack in relation to the engine sub frame<br>#2 – you're changing the alignment of the engine sub frame in relation to the rest of the body<p>After I was done I had to turn the wheel almost 1" to the left in order to drive straight. Car was fully in specification ~30 days prior. They were able to get it all back in alignment without any fuss though.
 

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Re: IPD Track Spec Anti-Sway Bars and QBM Endlinks Install (llabahn)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>llabahn</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><<The QBM links will probably out last every other part on the car! >><br>Will they need lubrication? If so, how often? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>No lubrication required, they are sealed:<p><A HREF="http://www.quickbrickmotorsports.com/prod_endlink.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.quickbrickmotorspor....html</A>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>we R obsessed</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>#1 – you're changing the alignment of the steering rack in relation to the engine sub frame<br>#2 – you're changing the alignment of the engine sub frame in relation to the rest of the body<p>After I was done I had to turn the wheel almost 1" to the left in order to drive straight. Car was fully in specification ~30 days prior. They were able to get it all back in alignment without any fuss though.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for the clarification. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Pat
 

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Re: IPD Track Spec Anti-Sway Bars and QBM Endlinks Install (we R obsessed)

Wow, great write-up! This one should be stickied somewhere or archived in a DIY section or something.
 
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