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Hi all-<P>Am intrigued by the 2002 AWD V70 that isn't the XC. I do like the XC, but have a hard time swallowing the low EPA mpg numbers (18/22 if I recall - anyone care to give feedback based on real world experience how accurate this is?) The AWD that's coming out appears to have the same engine but weights 300lbs less and sits lower. Mpg and performance seem to be enhanced.<P>I've check edmunds and this site and of course Volvo's own site, but haven't found much detail on ride quality/performance vs XC, and availability. Any other ideas?<P>Thanks a bunch<P>Adam
 

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I believe the V70 AWD will be an R (aka T5). Is this correct?<P>In terms of fuel economy, on my XC I've experienced:<P>City: 11.5 km/100 (~20.5 MPG)<BR>HWY: 9.5 km/100 (~24.8 MPG)<P>It's my guess is you'll also find better than posted averages with the other V70's, but overall I don't think you'll see large differences in fuel economy. <P>Where you will certainly feel a difference though is in overall road feel. With a taller ride height, softer suspension and chunkier tires, the XC is certainly a mellower ride. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P>I don't think the V70 (R) AWD will differ hugely from the 2WD variation in terms of driver feel, so go test drive both the XC and the 2.4T/T5. While you're at it, might as well take out the S60 AWD too if it's available.<P>
 

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The V70 AWD will have the 2.4T motor, not the T5, sorry. Milage should be much better than the Xc, die to better aerodynamics and the HAldex AWD system. <P>
 

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Phil, I'm not sure whose info is newer, but I'll throw in what I've been told.<P>The original V70 AWD that will come here will be the viscous coupling style AWD that is in the XC currently. Like you said, there'll be a 2.4T motor (same as XC) and later the V70R which will be significantly more potent than the V70 T-5. The R will definitely have Haldex and eventually the XC and the V70 AWD will also get Haldex.
 

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Very intriguing!<P>"Significantly more potent than the V70 T-5;" where is this extra potentency coming from, new block, refinements to the 2.3 HPT?<P>And what does the rumormill say in terms of release date for a Haldex equipped V 70 R AWD?<P>I recently cancelled my order for an Audi S6 Avant bec. of it's only marginal performance gains over my current V 70 R AWD. I was hoping Volvo would build a new killer V 70 R AWD and this sounds like it may be it!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ICONCLS:<BR><B><BR>"Significantly more potent than the V70 T-5;" where is this extra potentency coming from, new block, refinements to the 2.3 HPT?<BR></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The S60R/V70R will be using a 2.4 liter block rather than the current 2.3 liter T5 block. This will give it 0.1 extra liters of displacement plus it will most likely have more boost, larger intake, larger downpipe, different exhaust, and different ECU mapping, all contributing to the 300hp figure. Also, don't forget it will be available with a 6-speed unlike the US Spec. Audi S6 Avant.<P>-Drew
 

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Unfortunately, 6-speed with no option for an auto. would be a deal-breaker for me--wife needs an auto <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif">
 

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He's right. It should be about 300hp. It's possible they'll do an auto, so I wouldn't worry about that too much.<P>BTW funny you should mention the S6. I just got back from an Audi press event where I got some seat time in the car. The V70R will be its closest and relative only competitor. <P>The S6 is quite impressive, and the sounds that motor makes are like fine music. That said, we also got some seat time in a new A4 wiht Audi's new Multitronic transmission using CVT technology. They've got this chain driven unit set up to run a manual style with 6 forward ratios programmed in. <P>As of right now, the system isn't set up for the kind of torque the S6 runs, but it's amazing. The shifts are instantaneous and make Audi's tiptronic look sluggish in comparison. That seat of the pants feeling translates on paper too, because in testing Audi got better performance and fuel economy out of the CVT than they did out of the manual. That's an automatic that might tempt me away from my manual.
 

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It was tough to bail on the S6, but I had the following problems with the US incarnation:<P>-No Recarro seats for US version.<BR>-Car is awfully heavy.<BR>-No turbos. I am a low displacement big boost kinda-guy, not a big block V8 guy and I like the aftermarket afforded to turbos.<BR>-Disappointing torque and published 0-100 km times; 6.7s for a $ 64K wagon when a slightly modded V 70 R AWD can approximate that, ouch.<P>But it is a serious car and if I did not own my current wagon it would have been a no brainer.<P><BR>B.<BR>
 

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Here is the CORRECT info on the V70 AWD:<P>The V70 AWD (already available for sale) has the VISCOUS COUPLING AWD system. In March 2002, both the XC and the V70 will receive the Haldex AWD system available now in the S60 AWD.<P>Gas mileage has been improved in both the 2002 XC and V70 AWD. XCs now rate at 18/25 and the AWDs rate at 19/26 due to the lighter weight (not aerodynamics).<P>The S60 R, will be available in 6-speed manual (in the US too) while the V70 R is still undetermined. But my contact in Sweden tells me that they are planning to offer the V70R (due in Spring 2003) in both manual and automatic.<P><BR>Yannis
 

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Yannis,<P>Thanks for the great info, & welcome to Swedespeed. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><P>-Drew
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by InDy:<BR><B>Yannis,<P>Thanks for the great info, & welcome to Swedespeed. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><P>-Drew</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>Thanks, Drew...This seems like a very nice Forum. Much more "civilized" than other places... <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><P>Yannis<BR><P>
 

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According to the Volvo USA website, the 2002 XC is still at 18/22 EPA. I would love it if it were 25, cos that would pretty much tip the balance. I have a hard time justifying 22mpg on the highway (since it's probably optimistic anyway). Where did you find the 25mpg figure?<P>Cheers<P>Adam<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GrecianVolvo:<BR><B>Here is the CORRECT info on the V70 AWD:<P>The V70 AWD (already available for sale) has the VISCOUS COUPLING AWD system. In March 2002, both the XC and the V70 will receive the Haldex AWD system available now in the S60 AWD.<P>Gas mileage has been improved in both the 2002 XC and V70 AWD. XCs now rate at 18/25 and the AWDs rate at 19/26 due to the lighter weight (not aerodynamics).<P>The S60 R, will be available in 6-speed manual (in the US too) while the V70 R is still undetermined. But my contact in Sweden tells me that they are planning to offer the V70R (due in Spring 2003) in both manual and automatic.<P><BR>Yannis</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ajrichardson:<BR><B>According to the Volvo USA website, the 2002 XC is still at 18/22 EPA. I would love it if it were 25, cos that would pretty much tip the balance. I have a hard time justifying 22mpg on the highway (since it's probably optimistic anyway). Where did you find the 25mpg figure?<P>Cheers<P>Adam<P> </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Adam,<P>that is what is written on the window sticker of every 2002 XC we have on our lot. There have been mileage changes in some models. XC's mileage went up (highway) whereas that of the S/V40 went slightly down (from 32 to 30--Highway, again).<P>Yannis<P>
 

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Hi,<P>What is the difference between VISCOUS COUPLING AWD system and Haldex AWD?<P>I am considering buying V70 AWD. Is Haldex much more superior, and should I wait until it is available?<P>Will there be a difference in price and when is the "Haldex" version expected to hit North America market?<P>Thanks.<BR>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ajrichardson:<BR><B>Hi all-<P>Am intrigued by the 2002 AWD V70 that isn't the XC. I do like the XC, but have a hard time swallowing the low EPA mpg numbers (18/22 if I recall - anyone care to give feedback based on real world experience how accurate this is?) The AWD that's coming out appears to have the same engine but weights 300lbs less and sits lower. Mpg and performance seem to be enhanced.<P>I've check edmunds and this site and of course Volvo's own site, but haven't found much detail on ride quality/performance vs XC, and availability. Any other ideas?<P>Thanks a bunch<P>Adam</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>Adam,<P>you are correct in your perception that the V70 AWD will get better gas mileage than the XC. The ride is totally different and it is a little bit quicker, mainly because of the weight difference and also the XC has tires that are more aggresive (they are light truck tires). As far as ride, the V70 AWD will not have as much body roll as the XC and the ride is much quieter because of the regular tires that come with it. <P>If your Retailer does not have one for a test-drive (there are not too many of them around, as they have to be specially ordered), drive a V70 2.4T. Identical performance w/ identical acceleration. The only difference is that the AWD variant is 0.5 inches higher, off the ground.<P><BR>Yannis<P><P>
 
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