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I'm glad I found this forum. Seems to be a ton of knowledge, experience, and camaraderie here, and that's what I'm looking for. But I'll apologize in advance for the length of this post, and what may seem like stupid questions to some.<p>I'm considering the purchase of an S60R, specifically a 2006 GT with less than 25k miles. Car Fax says it's a one-owner, off lease from MI, with a clean title history and no known accidents. The balance of the factory warranty runs through 8/2010 or 50k. It's being offered by a dealer who specializes in high end, mostly European brands, particularly Audis, BMWs, and Volvos. It has been thoroughly gone over by the local Volvo dealer, who has a great reciprocal relationship with the selling dealer. I'd like to think that if it was on the Volvo lot, it would be a CPO car, as it appears to be in like-new condition.<p>I have a few questions. Your answers may very well affect my decision, so please give it to me straight. Just so you know, this car would be a replacement for an '04 S60 AWD that we just totaled (not my fault!). It will probably be driven about 10 - 12k miles/year, about 40% highway.<p>1. Are scheduled maintenance costs prohibitively higher than those for an S60 AWD? I'm sure tires and brakes will be understandably higher, but in general, is this an expensive car to maintain?<p>2. Considering the fact that I probably won't be doing any major modifications to it and, as a fairly sensible 51 year old I don't plan to "beat" the car, do I need to seek out a dealer with a qualified "R Tech", or can any Volvo dealer perform scheduled maintenance and deal with problems? If the former, can anybody recommend a trustworthy mechanic in the York, PA area?<p>3. In relation to an S60 AWD, how is the reliability? In two years with our '04, the only problems we experienced (although very aggravating in their own right) were having to constantly replace "position bulbs".<p>4. I'm sure premium gas is recommended, but can the car survive on anything less? The service advisor at our dealer insisted we'd ruin our '04 running it on 87 octane, but we took the salesman's word that it wouldn't hurt and never had any problems.<p>5. In general, are there any potential pitfalls to "R" ownership that I should be aware of? Likewise, are there any known problems inherent to this particular year and model that I should check for before making a decision?<p>Any advice anybody can offer would be greatly appreciated. If I go down this road, I'm looking forward to participating in this community.<p>Thanks,<br>Mike<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by MLV at 7:30 PM 3-31-2009</i>
 

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Re: I'm considering the purchase of my first R, and need advice. (MLV)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MLV</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1. Are scheduled maintenance costs prohibitively higher than those for an S60 AWD? I'm sure tires and brakes will be understandably higher, but in general, is this an expensive car to maintain?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MLV</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2. Considering the fact that I probably won't be doing any major modifications to it and, as a fairly sensible 51 year old I don't plan to "beat" the car, do I need to seek out a dealer with a qualified "R Tech", or can any Volvo dealer perform scheduled maintenance and deal with problems? If the former, can anybody recommend a trustworthy mechanic in the York, PA area?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Routine maintenance can be done by any tech but in the event of issues, few service departments are R capable. The nearest one is Keystone Motors in Berwyn (trust me on this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MLV</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">3. In relation to an S60 AWD, how is the reliability? In two years with our '04, the only problems we experienced (although very aggravating in their own right) were having to constantly replace "position bulbs".</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Angle gear is a bit stronger in the GT but the early/mid 06's are susceptible to bad transmission valves.......which can result in failure/replacement.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MLV</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">4. I'm sure premium gas is recommended, but can the car survive on anything less? The service advisor at our dealer insisted we'd ruin our '04 running it on 87 octane, but we took the salesman's word that it wouldn't hurt and never had any problems.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The computer will adjust but the R is prone to intercooler heat soak and higher octane is definitely recommended. Don't be cheap with an expensive car.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MLV</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">4. In general, are there any potential pitfalls to "R" ownership that I should be aware of? Likewise, are there any known problems inherent to this particular year and model that I should check for before making a decision?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I suggest a bit more research. The R is a finicky vehicle and prone to issues. There are few qualified techs and just as few dealers willing to go the extra service mile to troubleshoot.
 

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Re: I'm considering the purchase of my first R, and need advice. (MLV)

MLV, I've had two R's now. 2004 V70 R. I liked it so much that I ordered a 2007 V70R about a month before they quit making them. Here are my thoughts<br>1. Service. Not really any more than other AWD cars. I go to my dealer <br> for the 30-60-90 mile services, and go to my regular service station for<br> my 3,000 mile services. Syntetic oil, filter, grease, tire rotations runs <br> about $58.00.<br>2. There are good dealers with great service and then there are dealers'<br> that offer lousy service. Sounds like you have a previous Volvo so if <br> you have been treated well, there is no reason to think you will no be<br> treated well in the future. I think all Dealers are aware of the R's, they<br> are not that rare.<br>3. Reliability on your 2006 should be fine. It is a car, and things can<br> happen, but the 2006's and 2007's have been very good.<br>4. You will definately want to run on premium for lots of reasons. Once you<br> get used to hitting the "premium" button on the pump you won't think <br> twice about it. <br>5. There are things that have gone wrong, but overall the 2006's have <br> been very dependable. <p>It sounds like a good car. I would just get it and start enjoying it. <p>oclv
 

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Ouch! Berwyn? That's a haul.
 

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Thanks for the quick responses! Please don't think I'm cheap. My daily driver is an '02 Subie WRX Wagon that I run on 93 octane. The R would be my wife's daily driver (but I want to have fun in it too - that's why the interest in the R), and she's not crazy about having to pump premium fuel. But if premium is required, premium it will be.
 

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Re: I'm considering the purchase of my first R, and need advice. (MLV)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MLV</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm considering the purchase of an S60R, specifically a 2006 GT with less than 25k miles. Car Fax says it's a one-owner, off lease from MI, with a clean title history and no known accidents. The balance of the factory warranty runs through 8/2010 or 50k. It's being offered by a dealer who specializes in high end, mostly European brands, particularly Audis, BMWs, and Volvos. It has been thoroughly gone over by the local Volvo dealer, who has a great reciprocal relationship with the selling dealer. I'd like to think that if it was on the Volvo lot, it would be a CPO car, as it appears to be in like-new condition.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Bogey found:<p><A HREF="http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=253406019&dealer_id=77112&car_year=2006&rdm=1238553200670&model=S60&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=2006&keywordsfyc=__Ug,,__&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=082&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=100&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=VOLVO&keywords_display=R&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=30000&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=17601&advanced=y&end_year=2006&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=6&standard=false" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/...false</A>
 

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That's it! So, what's a bogey? Good or bad?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MLV</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's it! So, what's a bogey? Good or bad?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Manhiem Imports is a good independent dealer for Volvos
 

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Thanks, JRL. I drove the car a couple of weeks ago, and was impressed with both the guys and the car. They seemed like pretty straight shooters, and were very open with what they had done to the car and what their costs were. <p>You seem to be a major player here, so I'm glad to know you have a favorable opinion of them. From what you've seen, is this a reasonable price? Or is that a topic you folks frown on, on a forum such as this?
 

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Re: I'm considering the purchase of my first R, and need advice. (MagoonR)

Never use carfax only use Auto check. In my serch for various videos I have found many frame damaged cars that showed up on auto check and not carfax. Just for FYI watch this video. <A HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2009/vehicle_history_reports/main.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/....html</A>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MLV</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> From what you've seen, is this a reasonable price? Or is that a topic you folks frown on, on a forum such as this?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No one will frown on questioning pricing... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I recently listed an '07 SR, 30k, a few extras including certified warranty which sold for $23,985... IMO that's a decent price.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MLV</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks, JRL. I drove the car a couple of weeks ago, and was impressed with both the guys and the car. They seemed like pretty straight shooters, and were very open with what they had done to the car and what their costs were..... is this a reasonable price? <p></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Send me the link to which R it is, they usually have several.<br>If you want me to check it out for you, I can, it's one of the services I provide.<br>Who are you dealing with there?<br>(IM me)
 

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Looks nice Mike. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Keep the R and give the wife the Subie. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Send me the link to which R it is, they usually have several.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ummm......link is in this thread a few posts back. And congrats on 40K posts. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Ummm......link is in this thread a few posts back. And congrats on 40K posts. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Price is reasonable for a dealer price on an R with these low miles.<br>Manheim Imporrs just wholesaled two 6 speed R, one had 37K and the other had 46K The sales averaged 18K. With 22K miles the wholesale price will be $1000 more. They service their cars and fix what's necessary and are entitled to a profit
 

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Thanks for the offer, but we're really looking to go Titanium to match the one we lost.
 

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I like the way you think, baxteR! We do switch off about a day a week or so, in an effort to somewhat even out the mileage on the two cars. I drive over 60 miles R/T daily, she goes less than 10 R/T. But she's not crazy about the Subie - she thinks it's too small and harsh. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Alright, no problem. Although I did wax it yesterday, that should add about $1k to the price. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MLV</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ouch! Berwyn? That's a haul.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>And unfortunately, worth the haul, especially with a R.
 
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