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Hi, all.<p>I have owned my S40 T5 AWD for just under two months now, and i have 1600 miles on it.<br>I have been to ******** volvo >8 Times (They only documented four, though)<br>My:<br>-LR speaker rattled and was replaced<br>-Center speaker was replaces, continues to buzz, now they turn down my bass and disable ProLogic and say its fixed. After filing a complaint, the a-hole service manager finally called the NE tech<br>-Now my AC blows extremely hot on the left, but normal on the right (both sides set to 60º)<br>-Still gets 17MPG mixed, mostly country and highway. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>What do you think? I could probably write the lemon letter, but despite the service manager's pure rudeness (told me not to bring it in unless a warning light was on) I haven't.<p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Thanks!
 

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Have you tried to bring it to another dealer? Your signature says you have made 12 trips.....
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (meiac09)

I've got the navi, too, and found that the center speaker really rattles. Even just listening to a local sports talk station on the AM causes bad vibration. If I apply some pressure right at the front of the speaker mesh, it goes away. This seems to be where the mesh is loose.<p>Any at-home fixes someone can suggest? I would rather not just drop some superglue into it.
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (meiac09)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>meiac09</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">-Now my AC blows extremely hot on the left, but normal on the right (both sides set to 60º)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think there's a TNN for a software update.
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (meiac09)

Don't think your car's a lemon. It's more your dealer is an a$$hole. Go to a different dealer and see what they can do.
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (mike_c70)

Lemon usually = "serious problem" + at least 3 return trips with no resolution. Bottom line, I don't think speakers will qualify for "serious" (despite what you or I would think). <p>Try a different dealership. My center speaker rattles too... My dealer resolved a lot of rattles at my 7500 mile checkup, but the center speaker / vent area still rattles fairly often. <p>I had a truely horrible experience with my VW Passat in terms of reliablity (45 visits in 4 years... don't get me started), and the best advice I can give you is to relax and do your best to ignore the small stuff. If you can't do that, I suggest selling your car as soon as possible and buying something a lot less expensive. Otherwise it'll ruin your life.
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (GoBigRed)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GoBigRed</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lemon usually = "serious problem" </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Single serious problem. Long lists of problems can also qualify, but that's different. Speakers can qualify, kind of - as long as the problem affects the value.<p>Do you know anyone else at the dealership? How about the sales person you bought it from? Waving lemon laws isn't likely to improve this relationship, btw.<p>[edit - meiac09 are you really 16 as your profile indicates? If so, you might want to check the Maine laws because they'd certainly affect the process here. Is the car in your name?]<p>Tom.
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (meiac09)

If the dealer is an a-hole than ya...stick him with the lemon law. Get a new fresh start somewhere else.
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (KillerB)

look lemon law has to be the SAME problem, and gee you can make any speaker destort by cranking up the bass and the volume. This is a STOCK system, go figure <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (Oldman)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Oldman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">look lemon law has to be the SAME problem, and gee you can make any speaker destort by cranking up the bass and the volume. This is a STOCK system, go figure <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>There's no need to be nasty... especially when you're wrong <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Many Lemon Laws make provisions both for repetitive fixes of the SAME problem AND multiple problems that impact value and require more than a <I>reasonable </I>period of time to fix them. <p>Having said that, it looks like the OP doesn't appear to have been patient enough yet - I think Maine Lemon Law specifies a period of 15 days off the road fixing problems and then he has to notify the manufacturer in writing and they have another 7 days to fix the problems.<p>UKMatt
 

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I too had the AC blowing hot air out of one side and cold out the other (both set to 60). Took it to the dealer and it's been fine ever since.<p>I agree with many here that the problem is not your car but the service it's getting. By "turning down my bass and disabling ProLogic and saying its fixed" it sounds like they don't really care - either about their customers or their reputation. Try another dealership and see what happens.
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (ukmatt)

You can make any stock stereo system distort and / or blow out the speakers. Is this a build problem with the car? Oh and the MPG, I can get just about any Volvo to get sub 20 MPG is that a build problem? I bet I can get just about any Volvo into the mid 20s too. <p>I've been on the diesel board for how many years.... many and the MPG question always comes up and up and up, cars don't magically get XYZ MPG, it is YOUR right foot that has the biggest impact on MPG. I found all three of my Volvos able to easily beat their EPA estimates. <p>So maybe the dealer is a bone head or maybe this customer is just plain unreasonable or maybe it is a combination. But if the two complaints are poor speakers and MPG both of which are directly related to how the equipment is being used, I tend to think that this is a cockpit error(s). <p>same problem or multiple "value" problems <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> I'm sure speakers ain't on the list. AND I would admit that if the blew up by looking at it then a single case would be a lemon. But in general it is multiple times for a major problem and like I said above it ain't speakers <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.carlemon.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carlemon.com</A>/<br><i>Generally, if the car has been repaired 4 or more times for the <b>same </b>Defect within the Warranty Period and the Defect has not been fixed, the car qualifies as a Lemon</i><p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Oldman at 12:26 PM 8-14-2006</i>
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (meiac09)

your car cant be a lemon...volvos come from plants - lemons come from trees -- good luck
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (Oldman)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Oldman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can make any stock stereo system distort and / or blow out the speakers. Is this a build problem with the car? Oh and the MPG, I can get just about any Volvo to get sub 20 MPG is that a build problem? I bet I can get just about any Volvo into the mid 20s too. <p>I've been on the diesel board for how many years.... many and the MPG question always comes up and up and up, cars don't magically get XYZ MPG, it is YOUR right foot that has the biggest impact on MPG. I found all three of my Volvos able to easily beat their EPA estimates. <p>So maybe the dealer is a bone head or maybe this customer is just plain unreasonable or maybe it is a combination. But if the two complaints are poor speakers and MPG both of which are directly related to how the equipment is being used, I tend to think that this is a cockpit error(s). <p>same problem or multiple "value" problems <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> I'm sure speakers ain't on the list. AND I would admit that if the blew up by looking at it then a single case would be a lemon. But in general it is multiple times for a major problem and like I said above it ain't speakers <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.carlemon.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carlemon.com</A>/<br><i>Generally, if the car has been repaired 4 or more times for the <b>same </b>Defect within the Warranty Period and the Defect has not been fixed, the car qualifies as a Lemon</i><p><br><i>Modified by Oldman at 12:26 PM 8-14-2006</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Once again, you are wrong on your understanding of the Lemon Law which, as I stated, differs by state.<p>Specifically, the Maine Lemon Law allows for:<p>Reasonable number of attempts; presumption. There is a presumption that a reasonable number of attempts have been undertaken to conform a motor vehicle to the applicable express warranties if: <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MaineLemonLaw</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>A. The same nonconformity has been subject to a repair attempt 3 or more times by the manufacturer or its agents or authorized dealers within the express warranty term, during the period of 3 years following the date of original delivery of the motor vehicle to a consumer or during the first 18,000 miles of operation of that motor vehicle, whichever occurs earliest, and the nonconformity continues to exist; [2003, c. 337, §5 (amd).] <br>A-1. [1989, c. 570, §3 (rp).] <br>A-2. The same nonconformity has resulted in a serious failure of either the braking or steering systems in the vehicle and has been subject to a repair attempt one or more times by the manufacturer or its agents or authorized dealers during the warranty term or the appropriate time period, whichever occurs earlier; or [2003, c. 337, §5 (new).] <br>B. The vehicle is out of service by reason of a repair attempt by the manufacturer, its agents or authorized dealer, of <B>any defect or condition or combination of defects for a cumulative total of 15 or more business days </B>during that warranty term or the appropriate time period, whichever occurs earlier. [2003, c. 337, §5 (amd).] </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am not arguing about whether speakers count (as neither of us have heard the problem first hand, neither of us is qualified to determine if it's an issue with the volume settings or if it's a real problem with the hardware itself).<p>Simply put - the Lemon Law in the OP's state doesn't not cover only major repairs, it also covers a vehicle being off the road for any number of repairs of any type of defect for an excessive amount of time.<p>UKMatt<br>
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (ukmatt)

Welll MATT if you must insist on saying I’m wrong, I said it has to be multiple times same problem, and sure enough this is what the law says.<p><A HREF="http://autopedia.com/html/LemonLaw/ME_lemonlaw2.html" TARGET="_blank">http://autopedia.com/html/Lemo....html</A><p><i> A. The <b>same</b> nonconformity has been subject to a repair attempt 3 or more times by the manufacturer or its agents or authorized dealers within the express warranty term, during the period of 3 years following the date of original delivery of the motor vehicle to a consumer or during the first </i><p>So why don’t you first understand the law? Yes there is a section in Maine about being out of work for more then 15 business days, big deal, a one part of a one sentence post on a subject was never meant to cover all instances in all areas under all conditions. Any presumption that it should is really a failure on your part FYI.<p>In any event speakers nor MPG fit under Maine lemon law because:<p> <b>any defect or condition, or combination of defects or conditions, which substantially impairs the use, safety or value of the motor vehicle after a reasonable number of attempts,</b><p>UKMatt wrote <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Simply put - the Lemon Law in the OP's state doesn't not cover only major repairs, it also covers a vehicle being off the road for any number of repairs of any type of defect for an excessive amount of time. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Simple put the law only speaks to conditions that <i>substantially impairs the use, safety or value of the motor vehicle </i> <p>So who is wrong? um you <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>So there is your law lesson for today.<br>
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (Oldman)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Oldman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Welll MATT if you must insist on saying I’m wrong, I said it has to be multiple times same problem, and sure enough this is what the law says.<p><A HREF="http://autopedia.com/html/LemonLaw/ME_lemonlaw2.html" TARGET="_blank">http://autopedia.com/html/Lemo....html</A><p><i> A. The <b>same</b> nonconformity has been subject to a repair attempt 3 or more times by the manufacturer or its agents or authorized dealers within the express warranty term, during the period of 3 years following the date of original delivery of the motor vehicle to a consumer or during the first </i><p>So why don’t you first understand the law? Yes there is a section in Maine about being out of work for more then 15 business days, big deal, a one part of a one sentence post on a subject was never meant to cover all instances in all areas under all conditions. Any presumption that it should is really a failure on your part FYI.<p>In any event speakers nor MPG fit under Maine lemon law because:<p> <b>any defect or condition, or combination of defects or conditions, which substantially impairs the use, safety or value of the motor vehicle after a reasonable number of attempts,</b><p>UKMatt wrote <p>Simple put the law only speaks to conditions that <i>substantially impairs the use, safety or value of the motor vehicle </i> <p>So who is wrong? um you <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>So there is your law lesson for today.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Reading comprehension - you said "Lemon Law has to be the <B>SAME </B>problem". The appropriate Lemon Law states "of <B>any defect or condition or combination of defects </B>for a cumulative total of 15 or more business days".<p>I didn't say the OP was entitled to claiming under the Lemon Law (quite the opposite) - I just said that your information was wrong and it was. Lemon Law in some states covers substantially more than your narrow interpretation.<p>Is it so hard to read the relevant text and admit that you gave duff information?<p>UKMatt
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (ukmatt)

Well, Not to get involved in this controversy, but MPG is such a subjective thing totally controlled by a driver's right foot I don't think it's a valid reason to Lemon Law a vehicle at least in this instance. And after repeated attempts (12?) to try to satisfy a customer a frustrated Service Writer probably would turn down the bass boost and adjust the volume a bit....Afterall, this isn't a clapped-out ten year old Honda Civic....
 

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Re: I think my car is a lemon. (POWERSTROKE)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>POWERSTROKE</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, Not to get involved in this controversy, but MPG is such a subjective thing totally controlled by a driver's right foot I don't think it's a valid reason to Lemon Law a vehicle at least in this instance. And after repeated attempts (12?) to try to satisfy a customer a frustrated Service Writer probably would turn down the bass boost and adjust the volume a bit....Afterall, this isn't a clapped-out ten year old Honda Civic....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Perhaps I wasn't clear above - I am not, in any way, saying that this particular situation qualifies for any variant of the Lemon Law. I <I>agree</I> that gas mileage is a tough sell as a 'problem' given the link to the drivers right foot. I <I>agree</I> that it is possible that there is no actual problem with the speakers (although I also think it is equally possible that this person has an issue with the hardware that is beyond simply having the volume or bass set too high).<p>All I was trying to clarify above is that the Lemon Law, in some states, covers a lot more than the usually described 'X attempts to fix a serious issue'. We often encourage new posters to search before they post so if inaccurate information is left unaddressed, people will walk away with the wrong information.<p>That's all <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>UKMatt
 
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