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I have searched the forum, havent found a relevent thread. Please post a link if you know of one<br>My driving situation:<br>I live 9000 feet in the rocky mountains. I drive approx 100 miles a day commuting to the valley below. The highway that takes me down is snow pack most of the winter, my driveway is just plain snowy.<p>I test drove and fell in love with a S40 T5 last weekend, the other car im considering is a sub outback2.5i wagon. I have had sub's in the past and they have performed well in the conditions stated above. Problem is, i realy realy like the volvo. Can i remotly expect the same AWD performance with the volvo? All the other comparisons im not asking about, but if you want to include them go for it, i realize there not in the same class. <br>Thank you.
 

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Re: I need AWD, will the S40 do it for me? (DazedandConfused)

I'd say yes...this winter in CT we had a huge blizzard (26" in my town in a few hours) I thought it would be a great time to "test" out the AWD system. Wow would be my response. I never got stuck once even when I had to drive up a steep driveway that hadn't been plowed. I was blown away. You should have no probs in CO
 

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In my opinion the S40 AWD when equipped with DSTC beats the pants off the Suby WRX that I used to have. Of course, a lot of snow traction depends on the tires you have though.
 

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Re: I need AWD, will the S40 do it for me? (DazedandConfused)

No you can't. Haldex will perform well in the snow but it will not match the subs full time awd. Especially in snowy inclines, it takes the haldex a split second to get the rear wheels moving during that time the front wheels spin, causing the dstc to shut power down. <p>In the end the car does move with relative ease and i have never really felt unsafe or like i was about to loose control. It's just not quite as good as the full time awd of Quattro or Symmetrical.<br>
 

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My driveway slopes 60 feet in elevation and is 350 feet long. If i cant get out of that then i cant go anywhere. Is the DSTC option that critical? thank you for the responces so far.
 

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One more thing, i always run snow studs in the winter. My understanding is this is a 95% front wheel drive vehicle, and 5% goes to the rear.
 

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Re: (DazedandConfused)

I run AWD withOUT dstc and I've been fine...dstc isn't really all that critical specially with AWD IMO
 

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DSTC has little to do with traction, it's about direction. Traction control comes from the STC or TRACS function, which is standard on all S40s - STC on the FWD, TRACS on the AWD (the difference is only technical).<p>I have AWD (and DSTC) on my V50 and have never regretted it. It won't do quite what my Wrangler with Duelers would, but that's obvious.<p>Tom.
 

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My wife and i realy love this car, I keep telling myself that i have that big nissian 4x4 for the realy crappy days, if i can get that car out of my driveway im golden.
 

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Re: (DazedandConfused)

I can tell you from someone that drives into the mtns frequently that this car does awesome in the snow. It does better than my Blazer that it replaced. I personally don't think DTSC needed so I didn't get it. Also, the T5 does a great job climbing roads at altitude. Oh by the way if your interested mine is for sale.<br>
 

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The DSTC is really nice if you get your car completely out of shape (think spin) -- I had a couple times today at the track where it saved my ass when I was coming out of 5b at Pacific Raceways. <p>In heavy downpour on-track I was 4-wheel drifting into 5b to setup for turn 6 and ended up getting behind the car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The DSTC prevented what could have been a hairy situation from even being anything more than a blip. <p>I still don't see the DSTC as required for normal street driving, but if you're going to be pushing it in inclement conditions I'm impressed with it. <br>-Chris
 

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If it were up to me, I still like Quattro over Haldex, but Haldex in the Volvo is still very good. Never drove a Subaru, so not sure how their system is, but I have read it is second to none.
 

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The subaru is very good but with the manual transmissions, it's simply a limited slip rear diff, plus a limited slip "center diff" in the transfer case, with an open dif up front. There isn't much science there (aside from the DCCD in the STI) and if you only have traction with one front wheel you're going to spin in place all day.<p>The auto transmissions have computer contolled torque splits just like the Volvo AWD although I'm sure the logic is different. I've never driven an auto though (bleech! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> )
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DazedandConfused</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">One more thing, i always run snow studs in the winter. My understanding is this is a 95% front wheel drive vehicle, and 5% goes to the rear. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is true when the AWD is not needed, but as soon as slip is detected, the Haldex system will send power where it is needed.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it takes the haldex a split second to get the rear wheels moving during that time the front wheels spin, causing the dstc to shut power down.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This was true a few years ago, but the newer AWD in recent S40s and V50s "pre-loads" the AWD system for instant response from the rear-wheel.
 

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Thanks for all the imput, im going to go strike a deal tonite. We will see what happens. They one they have for me is a flint gray, premimum package, 17" sculptor wheels, and climate control. Kind of a base model with the premimum package. Can you tell me if the sculptor wheels are tinted gray?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DazedandConfused</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for all the imput, im going to go strike a deal tonite. We will see what happens. They one they have for me is a flint gray, premimum package, 17" sculptor wheels, and climate control. Kind of a base model with the premimum package. Can you tell me if the sculptor wheels are tinted gray?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nope, you are thinking of the Pegasus, those are I think antherecite (sp??)
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dede</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>This was true a few years ago, but the newer AWD in recent S40s and V50s "pre-loads" the AWD system for instant response from the rear-wheel. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't believe this is the case - I still think the Haldex requires some (1/7 of a rev from other posts here) wheel slip on the V50 and S40. <p>UKMatt
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ukmatt</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I don't believe this is the case - I still think the Haldex requires some (1/7 of a rev from other posts here) wheel slip on the V50 and S40. <p>UKMatt</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think you are right UK, I remember there being a newer verison of Haldex coming out mid 05, but that the S40, V50 (possibly Volvo in general) was not using it to date.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>christophe</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I think you are right UK, I remember there being a newer verison of Haldex coming out mid 05, but that the S40, V50 (possibly Volvo in general) was not using it to date.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah - that rings a bell - perhaps I'd read the pre-loaded Haldex was first available on the V8 XC90?<p>UKMatt
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DazedandConfused</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can you tell me if the sculptor wheels are tinted gray?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Sculptors are painted "Silverstone" which is a kind of silvery graphite gray.<p>As for the Haldex, the precharged version is not used on the 06 S40/V50, but frankly it doesn't need it. It matters on cars like the V8 XC90 or the R, but for the lighter, lower torque S40 it frankly makes no difference, the standard unit reacts more than quickly enough to avoid wheelspin. MHO.<p>Tom.
 
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