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been really diein to get an intake for my r and the onli two real intakes ive checked out are the evolve intake and eurosport intake... im kinda swayin towards the evolves intake but its frickin pricey as hell but looks daym sexy- does anyone around who has a evolve intake tell me if the hood slit really keep out any water from gettin into the intake from evolve? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: i need an intake!!! (sLiCkAz)

There is a grille cover that should be attached when it is wet/raining to avoid water in the airbox...
 

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if kelly's sent out the little kits yet; i hsould get mine next week, and installed. there are al ot of praises for that type of design. stealthy, functional, and it works jsut as well as any other.
 

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the r airbox is quite good, add a bsr filter and a CAI and there isnt much more it needs. i dont think spending your money on an est or evolve intake system is going to be worth the cost, if there isnt a complete seal hot engine bay air is going to be sucked in. IMHO. you can always go the volvo speed route and make your own if you still want the look.
 

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Re: i need an intake!!! (sLiCkAz)

An intake isn't that good for an R. It won't really do anything, in fact it may hurt the performance more than it helps. As mentioned above, those airboxes you are looking into aren't sealed from the rest of the engine bay, so you will end up sucking in hot air. Some people have created their own sort of modded air intake, by running a pipe from behind the fog light grill, to a hole cut into the bottom of the stock intake. This effectively sends in more cold air than you are going to see from any sort of CAI sold by Evolve.
 

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Re: i need an intake!!! (Vipergtsz3)

word i have 9.64 cubic cm being forced into the engine with my CAI built off the same design that r kelly made. only cost me 25 bucks
 

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Re: i need an intake!!! (sLiCkAz)

I have exactly ONE kit left, and unless 3 more people are interested, I won't do another set.<p>It is a proven design, VERY stealthy and you can go completely back to stock (no modification of airbox necessary if you don't want to modify keyhole walls). <p>Intake point is at highest pressure point on the car, as you go faster, it rams even more air in, and it's cold air, you keep your airbox sealed from engine bay.<p>You avoid any water getting into airbox and you don't have to worry about low pressure on boundary layer of hood sucking air out. <p>Over 30 R owners have my kit, and at least 6 others have something very similar. <p>See here:<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=63242" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=63242</A>
 

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Re: i need an intake!!! (sLiCkAz)

but the evolve intake has an airbox that seals up against the hood of the car when the hood is closed doesnt it? and then u can utilize the hood slit in order to suck in some cooler air....
 

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the fog light type cai/supplement is stealthy, and since the funnel is perpendicular to teh win, there's a sort of 'ram air' effect to it. i prefer it, since im going for the stock/stealth look with my car, even under the hood. i dont want any of my engine mods to be seen, unless you're looking for them.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sLiCkAz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but the evolve intake has an airbox that seals up against the hood of the car when the hood is closed doesnt it? and then u can utilize the hood slit in order to suck in some cooler air....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The hood of the R is basically the shape of an airfoil (wing). Planes fly because the air traveling over the wing is forced to travel faster than the air underneath the wing, causing a low pressure area to develop along the surface of the wing generating lift. The exact same thing happens to cars, why you have front air dams and rear spoilers to generate down force. <p>What this means, is that along the surface of the hood, you have a low pressure area. The Evolve hood VENTS (not scoops since they are flush with the hood) may have some utility in allowing hot air to be sucked away from the engine (although they should really be further back along the hood for that), but they are NOT an effective INTAKE because they do not stick up into the airstream (all hood scoops you have ever seen do that for a reason). <p>Just ask someone to tie a string to their evolve hood scoop and drive fast... see if it gets sucked down or up. <p>And you have to ask yourself, to want to force the engine to "suck in" some cooler air, or do you want that cooler air "rammed in" via a cold air intake that triples the stock intake area and is located in probably the highest pressure point on the car.<p><IMG SRC="http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1716/1004899small0hl.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/99/1005255small4ps.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>More information can be found here...<br><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=63242" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=63242</A><br><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=55492" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=55492</A>
 

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I have the EST Intake on my car, and I also have the "Scan Gauge". Generally with the EST, the IAT is only about 3-5 degrees higher than the air temp when driving. Last night I got it to be the same (71 degrees) while out for a cruise. Too bad I didn't have the "gauge" installed when I still had the OEM Airbox still on so I could see what the temp differences are....if any.
 

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a dyno means absolutely nothing on this type of mod. The airflow around the front of a car has tremendous influence on IAT and intake flow. I have yet to see a dyno room (of those shown on forums) that does it right with the exception of the Dinan pix ChuckB posted.<p>
 

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Ok then someone go there.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JimLill</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> the Dinan.<p></TD></TR></TABLE>
 

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If you have a manometer to measure airbox pressure you can go out and measure the pressure at road speed, noting RPM and MPH. Then go to your dyno and "flood" all the intakes with roughly the same mount of air, using equal blowers. If you get the same manomter reading (at test RPM), you have come close to duping the road conditions.<p>Manometer I use:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.r-series.org/mano.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>
 

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Hey Jim you know that I think they aren't worth much on a stock "R" they may even be a negative in the way of performance without proper testing, now with the right tune then you have something good.
 

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The stock intake has been measured to be 99+% adequate on a stock motor as far as actual airbox.<br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cloaked</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey Jim you know that I think they aren't worth much on a stock "R" they may even be a negative in the way of performance without proper testing.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So you are saying the vacuum that Jim noted pre-filter even on a stock car has a positive affect on performance? <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bcantana</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To "test" the effectiveness, without the air filter attached (and with the car off) I put the leaf blower on pointed at the stock opening in the grill. I could feel air moving, but nothing impressive. I put the leaf blower in front of the new opening and foglight grill and I could feel the air blasting into the airbox. <p>I'm sure the airflow at speed is vastly improved and under standing or slow driving conditions is no worse than stock.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JMn</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Put this kit in mine about 2 weeks ago and reset my ecu and I have to say my car has never ran better, BSR PPC seems to like this a lot - before intake I got some hesitation under WOT but now just smooth as glass... </TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bcantana</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Ditto here .... reset the ECU last weekend after installing and my car is FLYING. Hopefully it is not the typical "my car feels great after the ECU reset and then calms down after a few days" syndrome. <p>If you have ever suffered from inhalent allergies or asthma ... <br>- Before the CAI, imagine respiratory issues with restriced breathing<br>- After the CAI imagine 15 minutes after the inhaler kicks in ... free breathing<p>I think that Jim Lill actually had some quantitative measurements (CFM) from his first version of the mod (too lazy to do a search) and I'd have to say that at speed the system flows much better than stock now. Just a guesstimate though.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JimLill</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">100+ of road and track driving.............<p>No Faults or Failures of any kind on my car with BMC filter + CAI installed. It helps in transitory conditions and will not alter peak boost. As to IAT, it seems to help recovery more than anything.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>BTW, over 50 people have some version of this mod on their Rs, over 36 with the kit available here... <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=63242" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=63242</A>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>So you are saying the vacuum that Jim noted pre-filter even on a stock car has a positive affect on performance? <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Nope, I'm saying the the stock airbox is sufficient. The End.
 
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