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Okay so I finally drove his brand new S4 with Rs4 seats /wheels and brakes. I will say the car is hot. I took pics of his car side by side with mine. <p>Now the juicy part.. My car would Destroy this car. Honestly I dunno about stock for stock. I only have a Bsr Ppc kit and I live in Canada now and we have 94 octane here and I dynod the car with bsr ppc kit and I did get the full 54 Hp they advertise. I posted dyno sheets and showed 36 whp Gain from the chip alone. The exhaust will be on next week.. so yeah I have 345-350 Hp and I am lighter but I felt like my car was wayy faster. We didn't race I went to see him at his office and I told him to give me the keys.. he also only has 700 miles.. Audi told him 500 is break in? It sounds amazing the paddle shifts are Gayyyy,, they shift for you S )sport mode revs abit higher but my car reaches 60 mph and more alot quicker. The s4 feels abit quciker off the line for that spilt sec (we have some turbo lag) but as soon as I hot 2cnd I would rape him. <br>we will do some runs Yes on Video next week. Not impressed plus he pays $275 a mth more than I do.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by zigger at 3:15 PM 5-8-2006</i>
 

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Re: I got to drive my buddies 2006 Audi S4 today.. (zigger)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zigger</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It sounds amazing the paddle shifts are Gayyyy,, they shift for you S )sport mode revs abit higher but my car reaches 60 mph and more alot quicker. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>So your buddy bought an S4.....automatic? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: I got to drive my buddies 2006 Audi S4 today.. (NRM8573)

Zigger, how was the handling of the S4? Tell us how it compare with the <I>R</I> in Advanced mode. Did it pitch and roll more or less?<p>LTA<p><i>Modified by LTA at 11:44 PM 5-8-2006</i>
 

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Re: I got to drive my buddies 2006 Audi S4 today.. (zigger)

How much slower is the auto S4 as compared to the manual? I know that the manual tranny is said to be anywhere between 5 sec and 5.4 sec to 60, but is there as much of a difference as we see in the auto R?
 

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Re: I got to drive my buddies 2006 Audi S4 today.. (Vipergtsz3)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vipergtsz3</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How much slower is the auto S4 as compared to the manual? I know that the manual tranny is said to be anywhere between 5 sec and 5.4 sec to 60, but is there as much of a difference as we see in the auto R?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>0-60 mph in seconds:<br> manual: 5.3<br> Tiptronic: 5.6<p>I believe the S4 doesnt have any torque limits, the tranny is bolted onto the back of the engine which runs front to back instead of side to side, more space for a more robust gearbox.<p>the audi totally owns the S60R in one area:<br>turning circle: 36.4 ft. <br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>myVolvoS60T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what does that exactly mean?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Put simply the tighter a vehicle's turning radius, the more maneuverable it is. i.e better handling characteristics!<p>Hope this helps,<br>
 

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Re: (StaggRLee)

Zigger is once again looking for a way to justify his purchase in his quest to be the M3/S4 beater.
 

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come on guys... M3/S4 beater? One of the beuties of a turbo car is the "easy" hp. Ask any M3 what it takes to gain 60 whp! They will tell you about 15K!!! With us it's a DP and ECU.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Zigger is once again looking for a way to justify his purchase in his quest to be the M3/S4 beater.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Bullseye. Competition can be healthy, but if you have to constantly justify your purchase then you are probably not happy with your car.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>NikosXC70</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Put simply the tighter a vehicle's turning radius, the more maneuverable it is. i.e better handling characteristics!<p>Hope this helps,<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>My wife's Nissan Sentra has a tighter turning radius than my R but I would hardly say that it has better handling characteristics.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Zigger is once again looking for a way to justify his purchase in his quest to be the M3/S4 beater.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>WT? That was from way out in deep left field. This a forum about R enthusiasts not some watered down blah-blah-blah editorial piece. If you don't like it, then go read a magazine and keep out of the internet arena which is filled with excited and sometime rambunctious owners.<p>- Polartek<br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hi Alt R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>My wife's Nissan Sentra has a tighter turning radius than my R but I would hardly say that it has better handling characteristics.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Tell me that you are not serious with this statement! That is like saying any car with more bhp than the R is faster <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> Obviously there is more to it than just that like; shocks, weight distribution, suspension geometry, springs, sway bars ...<p>The original poster had no idea what was meant by turning radius (lock to lock) for a Volvo, which btw competes with it's truck division at 43 ft <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> The original comparison was a S4 vs. S60R, I don't remember anyone referring to your wife's Sentra <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> do you! BTW as for your wife's Sentra if equipped with proper struts and springs it might actually surprise you!!! <p>
 

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Ha ha.. I leave for 3 hours and this is what happens.. <br>The S4 handles and rides better than the R. Seriously it really does. But that to me isn't worth the extar 11K (with his options) I am sure whenI get My Eibachs and Ipd front /rear sway bars put in My R wil handle better. Anyways.. I can't wait to race and yes.. DESTROY him!!<br>Lates
 

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Re: I got to drive my buddies 2006 Audi S4 today.. (zigger)

You're comparing an automatic R to an automatic S4. The Girltronic R had its wings clipped severely by Volvo, and the auto S4, while not as severe, certainly is slower than the 6 speed variant. No offense but it's the race of the runner-ups... <p>Manual for manual and stock for stock, it's S4 all the way. I drove the V8 S4 extensively when looking to move away from the R (the one with the classy older grill, not the new gaping mouth one). The power and response of the vehicle was awesome, and the V8 torqued the body when you revved it in neutral. Weight made it so it wasn't as quick as it could be, but stock-for-stock it would outdo the R. Handling and braking in my opinion depend upon the course and the driver, but the natural sports suspension on the S4 felt more confident than the 4C. I still liked 4C though, and the I5 turbo on the R certainly had a charm and character of its own.<p>I can see a modded R with an ECU, DP, and exhaust equalling or bettering an S4 in a straight line. The problem is you can't mod the S4 in an equivalent manner - it's pretty much near peak from the factory.<p>And btw, whoever said you can get cheap power gains from the turbo motors... well you're right, but I've yet to see CHEAP, EASY, GUARANTEED gains for the Volvo crowd. I've been in some modified Rs and while they're much better than stockers, they either required lots of investment in parts or a lot of effort to get ECU tunes right and whatnot. <p>Granted, my perspective on hp gain per dollar is now skewed, but you're the first person I've seen here who thinks he actually got all 54 of those hp from the BSR. IPD needed a $8000+ kit just to get over 420 crank hp from the car. That's a lot of money for ~150 hp.<p>The biggie is stock value... for new prices, the overall R package kills the S4 ESPECIALLY when you factor in sticker prices. I really don't know how you can rationally justify all the extra dough for a new S4 over a new R.
 

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Wait he got the Euro RS4 seats and brakes? How'd he get those? Aren't the brakes ceramic and cost a couple thousand extra? Post pics!
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>NikosXC70</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Put simply the tighter a vehicle's turning radius, the more maneuverable it is. i.e better handling characteristics!<p>Hope this helps,</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Uh no. How small a vehicle's turning radius is does not tell you anything about how it handles i.e. how it goes around a track. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>NikosXC70</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tell me that you are not serious with this statement! That is like saying any car with more bhp than the R is faster <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> Obviously there is more to it than just that like; shocks, weight distribution, suspension geometry, springs, sway bars ...<p>The original poster had no idea what was meant by turning radius (lock to lock) for a Volvo, which btw competes with it's truck division at 43 ft <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> The original comparison was a S4 vs. S60R, I don't remember anyone referring to your wife's Sentra <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> do you! BTW as for your wife's Sentra if equipped with proper struts and springs it might actually surprise you!!! </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm just confused by this post.
 

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I've got significant seat time in the B6/B7 S4 and in my experience it DOES NOT easily outhandle the R.<p>The stock S4 suspension is simply better than any 4C mode for daily street driving. However the S4's steering feel is almost as non-existant as the R's at low speeds and both get better and tighter with speeds. The S4 certainly has a tighter turning radius but it also plows worse than the R when you push it in the corners (I think it is because that V8 hangs out to close to the end of the car - something they're fixing in the next S line cars from what I read.)<p>Now when it comes to engine note the R doesn't come close to the S4. Handling is a toss up depending on what you are doing. I would give the edge to the S4 in situations with mild curves but with any serious curves the S4 plows much worse than the R (which actually exhibits some unusual snap changes in behavior when pushed hard through a corner due to the way the power is dynamically distributed.)<p>I like my R but it's getting a bit boring now. I'm really thinking about a replacement but the S4 simply doesn't offer enough additional performance to be worth it (and the next generation one which debuts in early '08 'only' has 350 hp.) I wish the official pictures and pricing of the e90 M3 would show up so I can figure out my next move...
 

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I'm a little skeptical about the S4 not handling as well as the R. If you watch the Top Gear video on the S60R and watch it go around their track, it's almost comical to see how much body roll and movement it has. Plus, the S4 timed <B>5</B> seconds faster than the R around the track. Don't knock the test driver either as he's been driving very fast cars around that track. Stock for stock, the S4 wins in terms of performance IMHO.
 
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