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So I bought my 1999 C-70 with 30,000 km on it a few years back. It was basically brand new. Since then I have babied it, keeping it parked in the garage with a cover on it, and only taking it out in ideal conditions. This is not a car that has been driven hard.<p>Today I took the car in for its 72,000 km (45,000 mile) service. The laundry list of "urgent repairs" is both disappointing and scary. I am completely flummoxed. How can a garage-kept car with less than 100,000 km need so much work. My Chevy "beater car" has never needed this much to be done to it.<p>Here is the list the dealership gave me - let me know if you spot any red herrings, to me none of this makes sense...<p>Right Front Lower Engine Mount Needs replacing<br>Right Front Stabilizer Link Needs Replacing<br>Turbo gasket leaking oil<br>Engine Coolant needs replacement<br>Transmission Fluid needs to be replaced<br>Front Brake Pads and Rotors need replacing<br>Rear Brake Pads and Rotors Urgently need replacing<br>Battery Cable Corroded and burnt<br>Emergency Brake pads appear worn<p>Total repair cost $2200 (CAD)<p>On top of this, the ABS sensor has let go, and will be just over $1500 to replace.<p>How can a car with only 72,000 km need $3700 in repairs? This seems outrageous to me. <p>Many of the advised repairs I can do myself, however in researching this I have found that there are special volvo products to be used for the transmission fluid, special volvo tools, and parts are as scarce as hen's teeth.<p>I told th edealer to go ahead with the turbo repair since I don't want a mess of oil on the garage floor, but for the rest of it I will go to other local mechanics. No way will I continue to pay Volvo for this car.
 

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That's all routine maintenance. How long do you think brakes should last? Coolant should be changed every few years, is this the first time you've done it?<p>The only things that surprise me are the motor mount and turbo leak. And yeah, you're gonna get soaked if you have a dealer do the work. <p>If you know how to turn a wrench, much of that you can do yourself. Like the brakes, the stabilizer link, coolant, and battery cable. I'd have a shop do the motor mount, tranny flush, and turbo gasket.
 

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Thanks Lloyd,<p>You know you're probably right on many accounts; however, it amazes me that they quote close to $100 to flush & fill the coolant.<p>I just picked up the car, and the girl at the service desk made many scary faces when I talked about doing things myself. The guy at parts was really great though, giving tips to make jobs easier etc.<p>Our versions of what to have the shop do are different too. I have done motor mounts before, so they don't scare me much. I'll likely do that on my own. The battery cable scares me though. I always have bad luck with all things electrical.<p>As for these being maintenance issues, I completely agree - I thought that was what I was getting at $300 and 4 hours a pop for my routine maintenance visits. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> Turns out all they are doing is changing the oil and checking the lights. Thats the end of that waste of time and money. From here in it looks like I'll be doing everything myself. I already do that on my beater car, but wanted the supoerior dealer service for the Volvo. Wrong.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Prospector</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wanted the supoerior dealer service for the Volvo. Wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ouch! Yeah, the only thing superior about it is the price. And by superior I mean higher. Hehe.<p>I do agree with your sentiment in the first post, in that I can't really afford to own a Volvo either, unless I do most of the work myself on it. You save soooo much money that way.
 

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Re: I can't afford to drive a 10 yr old car?!?!? (Prospector)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Prospector</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>On top of this, the ABS sensor has let go, and will be just over $1500 to replace. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's funny <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: I can't afford to drive a 10 yr old car?!?!? (Prospector)

The best advice I ever got from a volvo owner was either learn to turn a wrench, accept the high cost of maintenance or sell the car before you hit the first major service at 70K. <p>Needless to say, I found a good indy and bought a Chiltons manual. I've been able to save thousands over the years with this combination. I only go to the dealer for transmission flushes since I don't have the machine necessary to recycle the fluid. If I had to go to the dealer for all my repairs I would have sold the car before I hit 70K miles. <p>
 

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Re: I can't afford to drive a 10 yr old car?!?!? (Turbos60)

<quote><br>What dealership?<br>I can recomend a few good volvo indies.</quote><p>This was Unionville in Markham, similar experiences though in Newmarket have had me miserable. It was the Newmarket guys who quoted $1500 for the ABS module, then kept the car for 5 days without doing anything. Telling me they were waiting for parts. I have since discovered Victor Rocca, and will be sending the module to him for repair (fingers crossed). I just need to locate th einverse 5mm torx wrench to take the module off the car.<p>I'd love recommends on indies. I hear there is someone in Aurora who is pretty good.<p>The guy at the parts desk was really quite good. I asked him about the synthetic fliud for the transmission, and he showed me that my car doesn't need it based on the VIN#, then wrote out the SAE requirements for replacement fluid from Crappy Tire at half the price of the Volvo stuff. Also went to the trouble to show me exactly where the drain plug on the tranny is so that I can do the change myself.<p>I am surprised tha tthe motor mount is the same price aftermarket as it is to buy the part OEM at the dealer. The linkage was cheap as a part, and is just 2 bolts, an easy fix so I'll do it myself.
 

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Re: I can't afford to drive a 10 yr old car?!?!? (Prospector)

It looks really soon for the rotors too... is it an automatique gearbox you have?<p>E-brake pads can only wear when the cable sticks... otherwise they can't wear, unless you use it for U-turns <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I still have my original rotors at the back (251.000km).<p>My parents also own a C70 from new, and only thing they changed was front brake pads and a light bulb (70.000km).
 

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Re: I can't afford to drive a 10 yr old car?!?!? (BenES)

Thanks Ben. <p>It is the Automatic. I was suspicious of the E-brake pads. I only ever put th ee-brake on when I raise/lower the top. Shouldn't need anything back there at all.<p>Glad your parents had a good experience with their car, I have heard so many great things about Volvo, and thought I had bought a great car.
 

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Re: I can't afford to drive a 10 yr old car?!?!? (Prospector)

Unionville Markham!! I just bought an S60 for my wife from there last month. <p>If you're interested, I know an excellent Volvo mechanic that can take care of your car. My C70 now has 303K and running beautifully, maintained by a Volvo master mechanic, but not at a dealership. Drop me a line at [email protected]<p>
 

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ehh $400 in parts max
 

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Re: I can't afford to drive a 10 yr old car?!?!? (Prospector)

//// On top of this, the ABS sensor has let go, and will be just over $1500 to replace.<p><br>This is not a $1500 job<br>its more like $150.00<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: I can't afford to drive a 10 yr old car?!?!? (Prospector)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Prospector</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So I bought my 1999 C-70 with 30,000 km on it a few years back. It was basically brand new. Since then I have babied it, keeping it parked in the garage with a cover on it, and only taking it out in ideal conditions. This is not a car that has been driven hard.<p>Today I took the car in for its 72,000 km (45,000 mile) service. The laundry list of "urgent repairs" is both disappointing and scary. I am completely flummoxed. How can a garage-kept car with less than 100,000 km need so much work. My Chevy "beater car" has never needed this much to be done to it.<p>Here is the list the dealership gave me - let me know if you spot any red herrings, to me none of this makes sense...<p>Right Front Lower Engine Mount Needs replacing<br>Right Front Stabilizer Link Needs Replacing<br>Turbo gasket leaking oil<br>Engine Coolant needs replacement<br>Transmission Fluid needs to be replaced<br>Front Brake Pads and Rotors need replacing<br>Rear Brake Pads and Rotors Urgently need replacing<br>Battery Cable Corroded and burnt<br>Emergency Brake pads appear worn<p>Total repair cost $2200 (CAD)<p>On top of this, the ABS sensor has let go, and will be just over $1500 to replace.<p>How can a car with only 72,000 km need $3700 in repairs? This seems outrageous to me. <p>Many of the advised repairs I can do myself, however in researching this I have found that there are special volvo products to be used for the transmission fluid, special volvo tools, and parts are as scarce as hen's teeth.<p>I told th edealer to go ahead with the turbo repair since I don't want a mess of oil on the garage floor, but for the rest of it I will go to other local mechanics. No way will I continue to pay Volvo for this car. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Most of this is simple maintenance.<br>Motor mounts don't last forever. Althought the lower mounts usually last longer than 45k. since the mount and the stabilzer link both need to be replaced, I wonder if you somehow did some damage under there.<br>The Turbo oil line seepage is normal. The heat from the turbo causes the seal on the metal oil line to degrade after a while. Simple fix.<br>Brake life is a function of driving habits. Do a lot of stop and go,and they will wear out faster.
 

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Re: I can't afford to drive a 10 yr old car?!?!? (VolvoMax)

An Update...<p>I am amazed at how easy much of this is to do on this car with the right tools etc. I had let myself be scared off working on the car since I was of the impression tha tth etools were impossible to get and that everything was "different" from the Chevys, fords, and hodas I have worked on in the past.<p>Things ARE different, but not in a bad way.<p>With the IPD kit, the tranny flush took <U>maybe</U> half an hour. Tops.<p>A 2 litre pop bottle works wonders for measuring out the old fluid 2 quarts at a time.<p>The brake controller is available online for $100 USD plus $25 USD shipping, plus return shipping of the old unit. A far cry from the $1500 I was quoted. <p>A note on the dealer "service" When I took the ABS controller off the car that had been serviced by the dealer in Newmarket, it was actually saw cut. I kid you not. The buttheads charged me $500 to take a bandsaw to it - no wonder the repair only lasted until the next rainfall, and then I had everything go wrong that possibly could. I bet they are sitting there waiting for me to bring the car in and tell them I need to buy their $1500 module to repair this.<p>I still need to get on the brakes and coolant. I got the socket from IPD to take the brakes off, but I expect that to be fairly routine. Is there a flush/fill kit for the coolant on these cars? I had one for a GM back in the day, and it made the job go so smoothly.
 

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Re: I can't afford to drive a 10 yr old car?!?!? (Prospector)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Prospector</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">An Update...<p>I still need to get on the brakes and coolant..... Is there a flush/fill kit for the coolant on these cars? .</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I believe its a plastic wingnut on the bottom of the radiator. No tools required unless you want to take off the lower radiator hose.
 

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yep its a little plastic drain rooster... d/s of the radiator i think...<p>i flushed the hell out of it... ran a hose to the resevoir and left the drain open... car on, heat full blast and let it sit until it warmed up... just pushing water through it... <p>drained and filled w/ coolant.<p>gallon of the blue volvo coolant is about $20 usd... be sure to use that or equivalent.<p><br>as for brakes... while you're at it, you could do what all the cool kids are doing; 302mm brake upgrade <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> - just different carriers for the caliper... full kit from the dealer is about $35 + $10 core (per side)...<p>kit includes everything but the pad spring in IPD's <A HREF="http://www.ipdusa.com/version.asp?strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=75,526&P_ID=3134&CAT_ID=526&V_ID=7245" TARGET="_blank">Caliper Hardware kit</A> that they sell for $65 a side <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>as for choice of rotors... FCP Groton just got some Nordic brand rotors... $30 per! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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