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<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><A HREF="http://www.pumabuild.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=183_184_186&products_id=821&osCsid=6a65107f488dd7629984b66767b647ab" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pumabuild.co.uk/cat...647ab</A><p>take it with a grain of salt as these guys are trying to sell intercoolers... but <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>Uprated Intercooler for the Focus ST225 Hand made by Radtec Racing Radiators.<p>Lowers charge tempture (ACT) whilst hard road driving!<p>RadTec Intercooler.<br>Temp entering cooler 146 degrees<br>Temp exiting cooler 16 degrees<br>Temp Drop 130 degrees !!!<p>Standard Intercooler.<br>Temp entering cooler 145 degrees<br>Temp exiting cooler 60 degrees<br>Temp Drop 85 degrees.<p>The Ambient temperature during testing was 7 degrees celcius. <p>What Performance Ford Magazine Wrote ( May 2006 )<br>Two things shocked us at the end of the test more than anything. Firstly just how bad the standard intercooler is when any kind of tuning is introduced, and secondly, how equally good the Rad-Tec Cooler is.<p>ACT's were reaching extensive levels even with the ambiant temperature below 10 degrees and this could prove annoying to owners of chipped cars in particular over the summer months as the power, even the enjoyment, from the car might be capped through the ECU backing the power off.<p>Recording temperature drops ranaging from 128-130 degrees is impressive enough for the RadTec cooler, but this achievement is further enhanced when the temperature is droping them to is around 15 degrees. This hits home when you consider that the standard cooler under the same test is only capable of getting them down to 49 degrees at best.<p>Apart from the efficiency of the RadTec cooler in getting temps down and being able to recover on both the rolling road and open road quickly, it's also given the car a massive boost in performance that none of us were really expecting.<p>The Stage 1 car was producing a peak of 257bhp and 347Nm (265lb/ft) but with the RadTec cooler fitted that figure rose to a peak of 291 bhp and a whopping 400.6Nm (295lb/ft) still at 1.2 Bar. Thats a full 34bhp and 53.6Nm (40lb/ft) increase at the top and a substantial gain throughout the rev range, making the £499 pricetag seem more than worthwhile.<p>An Incredible gain by anyone's standards, and one that clearly safeguards your performance, even when the hotter weather does finally arrive.<p>To Summerise, as other Focus ST owners might find themselves going backwards, cars fitted with the RadTec intercooler will definitely find themselves going forwards, Fast!<br>Words by Dave Moore (PF Editor)<br> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Oldman at 7:58 AM 8-15-2006</i>
 

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Re: humm intercooler (Oldman)

Damn every day i feel bad for myself for not choosing the focus st 225 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: humm intercooler (gg)

Yeah me to considering I would have to import an american car to america.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Anyway, this sounds pretty cool but although the engines are the same, their dimensions(being the engine bay area and behind bumper room) are not but of course a quick measure of the intercooler space behind the bumper could clear up a few hesitations on my part. Looks like a solid build IC that does its job very well although im sure we could find a comparable product already here in the US so those lovely shipping fee's dont make it way over priced.<p>*Edit: Going on this theory of cross-platform design do you also think kits like the samco hoses, ECU upgrades, and others would also work for our car since it is essentially the same engine setup? Hmmmmm, perhaps I have been looking at this all the wrong way <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: humm intercooler (V50_T5)

Highly unlikely. IC's are expensive on any car and the S40 is no exception.<p>I am going to talk to my buddy when I get some work done at the beginning of september and we will see what can fit behind the bumper. Ill keep you guys updated.
 

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Re: humm intercooler (Tarheelvolvo)

keep me updated on this matter <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>although my car is a diesel one, at least i'll know what size will fit and some parts may fit mine <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: humm intercooler (mJrO)

mJrO - all the more reason for an IC upgrade. you have even more room for power as far as i know (block should be better as well) - new sticks(injectors), twin HPOPs, hotter tune, fluidampner, etc <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>gotta make sure that your CCV isnt going into the IC as well, i know because of the EPA (here) its quite common.... more so than it should be since itll gunk up the IC faster than you can change your spark plugs <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I'd love to see in detail what that I/C does to the power band. How much pressure drop does it have, etc. <p>Peak numbers are only part of the equation. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>(I know you know this stuff, Lou <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">)<br>-Chris<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by quick at 11:10 PM 8-16-2006</i>
 

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Re: humm intercooler (Oldman)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Oldman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br>RadTec Intercooler.<br>Temp entering cooler 146 degrees<br>Temp exiting cooler 16 degrees<br>Temp Drop 130 degrees !!!<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>you've got to be kidding me.<br>i'd like to see some proof.
 

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Re: humm intercooler (CH)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CH</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mJrO - all the more reason for an IC upgrade. you have even more room for power as far as i know (block should be better as well) - new sticks(injectors), twin HPOPs, hotter tune, fluidampner, etc <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>gotta make sure that your CCV isnt going into the IC as well, i know because of the EPA (here) its quite common.... more so than it should be since itll gunk up the IC faster than you can change your spark plugs <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>CCv? EPA? :S HPOP?<p><br>anyway, won't a bigger intercooler cause more turbolag?
 

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Re: humm intercooler (mJrO)

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Re: humm intercooler (mJrO)

mJro,<p>CCV = crank case vent<br>EPA (as i said, here....not for you) = environmental protection agency<br>HPOP = high pressure oil pump<p>A bigger intercooler could in theory cause more turbo lag(especially with a small fixed vane <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> turbo like the one found - im told - on these cars.), but with the limited space in these cars i cant see fitting one that would be big enough to do so. The stock intercooler in most applications is designed to fit in a small space and simply be ‘adequate’ an IC with more cores should help out w/ temp drops as well as efficiency and air flow. <br>HOWEVER the IC in question(any IC) is not merely a question of the cores, but also the end tank capacity - i can see that being a limiting factor with the space available in S40s.... heres what im talking about (and what NOT to do) someone (a vendor for another vehicle i have) decided it would be smart to try to fit in a larger IC which does in fact work better....until they decided to put on ludicrously small end tanks(i cant even BEGIN to figure out what they were thinking). This particular IC is not only poorly made, but it now flows LESS than the stock one.<p><br><IMG SRC="http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/_CH_/WTF%20LIPD%20IC/IMG_3854.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/_CH_/WTF%20LIPD%20IC/IMG_3852.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/_CH_/WTF%20LIPD%20IC/IMG_3853.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"><br>
 

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so yould a yonaka type 10 intercooler fit our cars (behind the bumper withouth any major mods to it, but if mods to the bumper are needed, "no problem" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> ), or is it over dimensioned?<p><A HREF="http://www.yonaka.com/product_details.asp?id=436&cid=111&cn=Intercoolers" TARGET="_blank">http://www.yonaka.com/product_...olers</A><p>I heard some good info on the R forum about these FMIC's. What do you guys think?<br>Oldman (or any1 else), any thoughts?<p><br><i>Modified by mJrO at 4:44 PM 8-20-2006</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by mJrO at 4:45 PM 8-20-2006</i>
 

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looks better then the one above, don't know if it will fit, this is the first car i have not had apart... except for the turbo, downpipe, trans, amp, rims tires, ecu, complete intake tract, spark plugs, battery, all the lights, etc...
 

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<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>You need to add the bumper to that list <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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How about these affordable IC<br><A HREF="http://spooledmotorsports.com/sms_intercoolers.html" TARGET="_blank">http://spooledmotorsports.com/....html</A><br>
 

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even nicer end tanks, this S40 has a very standard looking intercooler unlike my VW, IMO it is the 3" thickness. There is either room or no room. gut feeling looking at the intercooler tru the grill, there is room but the back side of the front bumper cover will need trimming (normal).
 

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ok, i got around and measured my intercooler today (without removing the bumper or anything else except the foglight covers.<p>core size: 24"x7"x3" aprox (centimeters to inches conversion so it might not be completly accurate)<p>with end tanks: 28"x7"x3"<p>without major mods to the bumper (except loosing the grill under the license plate) i can see fitting a 6" depth intercooler. Withouth removing the grill and cutting some inner parts of the bumper the maximum is 4" depth <p>What size would be nice for our cars (t5's and my 2.0D)?<p>Another question, what diameter are the intercoolers pipes? 2.5"/2"? Why do i see on aftermarket intercoolers aluminium(?) piping and on the OEM plastic ones?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by mJrO at 11:59 AM 8-22-2006</i>
 

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Re: humm intercooler (V50_T5)

I would think it is at least close,...<p>on the intercooler size, are you sure the OEM one is 3" thick.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> that is about a 700 cfm intercooler size..
 
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