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I was driving home from picking up dinner and I decided to turn DSTC off while sitting at a stop light, started up and the steering felt a bit stiffer as well as cornering felt snugger without me feeling like the rear of the car was "wagging". Pretty fun stuff. Obviously DSTC is a safety feature and I wouldn't want to abuse this, so how often do you drive with DSTC off, and when would you never use it?
 

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Re: How often do you drive with DSTC off? (liverichly)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>liverichly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was driving home from picking up dinner and I decided to turn DSTC off while sitting at a stop light, started up and the steering felt a bit stiffer as well as cornering felt snugger without me feeling like the rear of the car was "wagging". Pretty fun stuff. Obviously DSTC is a safety feature and I wouldn't want to abuse this, so how often do you drive with DSTC off, and when would you never use it?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>of course it's more fun man <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> forget about the stupid safety features and all that useless crap. you don't have to use any of it unless the road & weather conditions require you to. just turn it off. <p>let me put it this way, i drive a slightly modded T5 FWD which is way less stable and much worse in handling compared to an R AWD.<p>but unless it rains, i always turn off the STC. i literally never use it and never will, except for winter. i hate all kinds of electronic driving aid. i believe it's all useless poop that they put on cars in order to charge us more for extra features. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>i can handle my car a lot better as long as i feel it's totally under my own control, not some stupid computer's.<p>
 

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Re: How often do you drive with DSTC off? (Serdar-S60T5)

I don't believe the features are useless... And DSTC is appreciably different from STC... <p>I also deactivate my electronic helpers on most occasions when i'm driving for fun... If i'm just cruising or it's bad weather I leave 'em on...
 

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Re: How often do you drive with DSTC off? (Elmoworld)

There should be both reduced function and completely off settings for your DSTC...<p>I forget how many times you need to hit the button...
 

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1. press and hold til it says reduced.<br>2. press to re-activate<br>3. press and hold til it says reduced.<br>4. press to re-activate<br>5. press and hold til it says disabled.<p>voila!<p><br>i rarely turn mine off because it my normal driving doesn't warrant the need.
 

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I turn mine off all the time unless the weather is bad. DEFINITELY helps with the ride over sharp impacts (train tracks, etc.)
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I turn mine off all the time unless the weather is bad. DEFINITELY helps with the ride over sharp impacts (train tracks, etc.)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>how does DSTC help with that impact? if i see some nasty tracks ahead, i just quickly launch my "comfort" mode <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I turn mine off all the time unless the weather is bad. DEFINITELY helps with the ride over sharp impacts (train tracks, etc.)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I could be wrong, but I don't think that would make a difference. Now Advanced vs Comfort vs Sport makes a difference.<p>BTW, I leave DSTC on 99% of the time. Why turn it off for normal driving?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>flybynight</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I could be wrong, but I don't think that would make a difference. Now Advanced vs Comfort vs Sport makes a difference.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agreed,<br>In the states I turned it off at the track and often on the street, especially if it appeared there might be some stop light action with another motorist, wouldn't want power being cut while launching or shifting. <br>Otherwise, yeah I'd agree, leave it on.. just in case.<p>Now, running around in Germany I very rarely turn it off, the duelling here is more rolling run, involve twisties and out accelerating. ...Spirited driving.<br>(Occasionally faster than what's sensible and on wet roads. ...Not smart)<br>Smart Suspension... Good idea!! Someone's got to think for the dumbarse at the wheel with fire in his eyes and white knuckles. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>-
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>flybynight</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I could be wrong, but I don't think that would make a difference. Now Advanced vs Comfort vs Sport makes a difference.<p>BTW, I leave DSTC on 99% of the time. Why turn it off for normal driving?</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>thats my thought.<p>its too much work to turn it off for something that you dont notice (atleast i don't) maybe if i drove around trying to spin tires through a turn maybe <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>how does DSTC help with that impact? if i see some nasty tracks ahead, i just quickly launch my "comfort" mode <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>For some reason it does. There was a thread a while back regarding this and someone suggested that it would make a difference and it does. My car has fairly bad sidehop and really bad reaction to bumps (must be my slow '04 processor) where the car just SLAMS over the bumps. <p>Here's the thread: <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=62739" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=62739</A><p>It is much, much better with the 4C deactivated via pulling the accelerometer, but that's a PITA and then the car tilts and rolls too much. <p>Someone suggested that switching DSTC off would help with the sidehop, so I tried it. <p>My theory, which along with $3.75 will buy you a cuppa joe at Starbucks, is that since DSTC is working to stabilize the car, it's influencing 4C a bit. With it off, the car rides better. Maybe it's placebo, but I think it helps!
 

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I put the car in "Advanced" and turn DSTC off 99% of the time, which probably isn't the best for the tires but I've been trying to eat these stock tires up for a while now...They refuse to die.
 

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hm...i will have to try this.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BongeR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I put the car in "Advanced" and turn DSTC off 99% of the time, which probably isn't the best for the tires but I've been trying to eat these stock tires up for a while now...They refuse to die.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Autocross....they'll be toasted in one weekend!
 

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By the time I get home from my 405/10 LA commute, I have some built up driving aggression but what can you do. <p>Off topic but, does anyone in SoCal (LA) belong to the AutoX circuit or know where things are occuring? I can't find anyone to cruise with as my roommates drive accords and every "R" I see on the road is in the hands of my high school librarian. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>For some reason it does. There was a thread a while back regarding this and someone suggested that it would make a difference and it does. My car has fairly bad sidehop and really bad reaction to bumps (must be my slow '04 processor) where the car just SLAMS over the bumps. <p>Here's the thread: <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=62739" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=62739</A><p>It is much, much better with the 4C deactivated via pulling the accelerometer, but that's a PITA and then the car tilts and rolls too much. <p>Someone suggested that switching DSTC off would help with the sidehop, so I tried it. <p>My theory, which along with $3.75 will buy you a cuppa joe at Starbucks, is that since DSTC is working to stabilize the car, it's influencing 4C a bit. With it off, the car rides better. Maybe it's placebo, but I think it helps!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Shouldn't there be a large threshold before DSTC interacts? I had DSTC on my old T5 and as far as I know this is a brake/engine power control only. I don't think it was integrated into 4C on the R. Right now it seems like we are all guessing. Anyone have some facts regarding this?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Shouldn't there be a large threshold before DSTC interacts? I had DSTC on my old T5 and as far as I know this is a brake/engine power control only. I don't think it was integrated into 4C on the R. Right now it seems like we are all guessing. Anyone have some facts regarding this?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>As I said, I'm totally guessing. I asked for info in the other thread but no one had concrete answers. <p>However, 4C reacts not just to road conditions, but info on whether you are turning, braking, acclereating, etc. DSTC montiors those same functions. <p>Now when you talk about DSTC activating, you're talking about the engine power / braking intervention to prevent skids / spins as you would find on any other Volvo without 4C. But what if the DSTC being on is influencing how 4C reacts to try to "maximize stability". <p>As I said, this is a TOTAL WAG, but how else to explain the difference? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>As I said, this is a TOTAL WAG, but how else to explain the difference? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hey, you can't argue with the butt dyno! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As I said, I'm totally guessing. I asked for info in the other thread but no one had concrete answers. <p>However, 4C reacts not just to road conditions, but info on whether you are turning, braking, acclereating, etc. DSTC montiors those same functions. <p>Now when you talk about DSTC activating, you're talking about the engine power / braking intervention to prevent skids / spins as you would find on any other Volvo without 4C. But what if the DSTC being on is influencing how 4C reacts to try to "maximize stability". <p>As I said, this is a TOTAL WAG, but how else to explain the difference? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>After reading that thread that needsdecaf a few posts above, for the past few weeks I've been tinkering with turning DSTC off, or just to reduced, as well. Today on a 140mile round trip over roads that usually trigger more sidehop than my usual commute, I noticed VERY LITTLE hop with DSTC off. Can't say zero, but close...sort of like when I had my winter tires on. On the way back, I cycled between off and reduced, and frankly just leaving it in reduced seemed to work almost as well as off...so I'm wondering if that might be the happy medium between safety and fighting the hated sidehop<p>It would be nice to get more people trying this to see if what some of us are noticing is merely a combo of wishful thinking and the inherent variability of how the hop behaves, or if it is the real deal.
 
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