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My car is Au Naturel and man those rock chips look brutal. But I figured when buying it spending $1500-2000 plus on wrapping was a bit cost prohibitive on an item that rapidly declines in value. Even though I intend to keep the car long term. Id say most rock ships are relegated to front bumper with some on hood.

Sure I guess it isn't pristine but on the same token the car is a utilitarian object.

Am I alone in this or do others drive and let be?
 

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My car is Au Naturel and man those rock chips look brutal. But I figured when buying it spending $1500-2000 plus on wrapping was a bit cost prohibitive on an item that rapidly declines in value. Even though I intend to keep the car long term. Id say most rock ships are relegated to front bumper with some on hood.

Sure I guess it isn't pristine but on the same token the car is a utilitarian object.

Am I alone in this or do others drive and let be?
When you buy an expensive pair of shoes - do you keep them polished or do you just - wear-em? ( utilitarian object ) :)
 

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My car is Au Naturel and man those rock chips look brutal. But I figured when buying it spending $1500-2000 plus on wrapping was a bit cost prohibitive on an item that rapidly declines in value. Even though I intend to keep the car long term. Id say most rock ships are relegated to front bumper with some on hood.

Sure I guess it isn't pristine but on the same token the car is a utilitarian object.

Am I alone in this or do others drive and let be?
When you buy an expensive pair of shoes - do you keep them polished or do you just - wear-em? ( utilitarian object ) <img src="http://www.vwvortex.com/Anthony/Smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
Does it cost $1-2K to polish shoes?
 

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I think it's very relative. For me, I purchased my car used - 4 years old, depreciate more than half of it's new value. Car had a lot of rock chips, obviously cannot have it wrapped now. IF the car had been wrapped, obviously there wouldn't have been rock chips and to me, it would've been worth more.

IF I ever buy a new car, it's going to be a special car. That car will have at least the front end wrapped with xpel.

At the very least, get clear film for the headlights. I do this to every car regardless of the age as it helps to prevent fade and rock chips.

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no and new shoes don't cost 50K+
Exactly, meaning the comparison is not valid.

There's the question of the intent, the cost, the benefit, and the ROI.

I have a 1) easier level of effort cleaning and polishing my Oxfords (5 min) and 2) lower level of cost (pennies). I also expect them to last basically forever in the span of clothing and shoe time (with successive sole replacements of course). The ROI is tremendous.

I bought a "$50K" car for $18K five years later. In this situation, I will never objectively gain anything from spending over $1K from wrapping the front with XPEL enough to return that investment. Now, as emgrock1 said, if I had purchased it outright at MSRP (which is a terrible idea for luxury cars IMO) then the math would be different.

To answer the OP's question: I just go without anything. Personally I find it difficult to keep the seams clean with films (polish and dirt get in the seam areas) and the films also degrade over time, making them even more visible. Also, the car gets hit by so many other things at other areas, that you'd literally have to cover the entire car to protect it, which is silly. There's a point in admiring and taking care of your car and the point where you just say it's just not worth it. Especially in my case where you street park the car and drive 25,000 miles a year.
 

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With all of this said, just buy an off the shelf ceramic coat and DIY. Makes it easier to clean and protects the paint from UV, bird droppings, tree sap, etc.

I ceramic coated both mine and my GFs car for $100 total. (Plus all the equipment I already own / polish / compound / pads / microfibers / etc.... Lol)...

Ceramic it up!!

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Exactly, meaning the comparison is not valid.

There's the question of the intent, the cost, the benefit, and the ROI.

I have a 1) easier level of effort cleaning and polishing my Oxfords (5 min) and 2) lower level of cost (pennies). I also expect them to last basically forever in the span of clothing and shoe time (with successive sole replacements of course). The ROI is tremendous.

I bought a "$50K" car for $18K five years later. In this situation, I will never objectively gain anything from spending over $1K from wrapping the front with XPEL enough to return that investment. Now, as emgrock1 said, if I had purchased it outright at MSRP (which is a terrible idea for luxury cars IMO) then the math would be different.

To answer the OP's question: I just go without anything. Personally I find it difficult to keep the seams clean with films (polish and dirt get in the seam areas) and the films also degrade over time, making them even more visible. Also, the car gets hit by so many other things at other areas, that you'd literally have to cover the entire car to protect it, which is silly. There's a point in admiring and taking care of your car and the point where you just say it's just not worth it. Especially in my case where you street park the car and drive 25,000 miles a year.
I see my sense of humor went right over your head - and it's not worth the effort to explain. :wave:
 

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I would on a new car, that I loved.

But my demo, daily driver had too many paint issues when I bought it, a lot of industrial overspray and scratches. I claybar and wax twice a year in an attempt to make it sparkle but it sits outside in the weather all year anyway.
 

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no and new shoes don't cost 50K+
I guess it depends on the pair of shoes: https://www.beautifullife.info/fashion-design/top-20-expensive-shoes-worlds/

My car was $32,000 after tax, title, licensing. Had 2000 miles from being demo / loaner. Some rock chipping already with bit over 2,000. on the clock..but now that I'm around ~48,500 miles, it's definitely far worse than when purchased!

I guess the million dollar question is would it have been worth wrapping the car at 2000 miles. MAYBE. Most of the rock chipping (80%) is confined to the front bumper. Other 20% includes some pitting on the hood and some on the painted undercarriage molding below the doors.

It'd probably would have cost $1,000 to have the hood + bumper wrapped from googling.

Now where I really wonder if it would have been beneficial is the 7 or 8 inch long scratch the diameter of a pencil tip on my door that penetrates clear coat... Shopping Cart? Car Door? Would Xpel / Opticoat saved me there?

All and all it's a tough call. On one hand, I'm going to keep this car a long time. And sure it'd be nice to keep as pristine as possible. On the flip side, $2,000 extra that prob in 3-4 yrs will be 1/5th the value of the car.... Imagine in 3-4 yrs the car might be worth $8-10K tops.....

Maybe a Dr. Colorchip to fill in the scratch as Volvo's touch up paint is crap....But far as the rock chips... I guess part of driving and they are inescapable.
 

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With all of this said, just buy an off the shelf ceramic coat and DIY. Makes it easier to clean and protects the paint from UV, bird droppings, tree sap, etc.

I ceramic coated both mine and my GFs car for $100 total. (Plus all the equipment I already own / polish / compound / pads / microfibers / etc.... Lol)...

Ceramic it up!!

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If you are a DIY kind of person, that'd be sweet. But I believe none of these DIY kits compare to a professional job at the end of the day. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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If you are a DIY kind of person, that'd be sweet. But I believe none of these DIY kits compare to a professional job at the end of the day. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Correcting you because you're wrong. I used Avalon Kings armor shield ceramic coat, which is a professional grade ceramic. Sure, there are more robust coatings which cost far more.

This is my experience, it's obviously based upon how it's applied and the level of prep work you put into it. Ceramic coats will typically run you anywhere from $700-$1000. This isn't because the product is expensive, the prep work takes A LONG TIME. I spent 24 hours from start to finish - this included washing, claybar, full paint correction, decontamination (isopropyl alcohol), ceramic application. Paint correction was the most time consuming and probably over 2/3 of the overall time.


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All of my new cars get PPF to keep them looking good for longer. We keep our cars for 10+ years, so I am not looking at adding resale value, but more for the enjoyment of my cars looking mint. Freeway driving in the northern states during winter is akin to taking your paint through a sandblaster. No thanks. Our 2017 V60 has full frontal Suntek film (Full hood, front fenders, headlights, bumper, mirrors, and door cups) and it has held up great for the past two years. Cost was around $1400, but the prices seem to be going up by the day. I was skeptical of the self-healing claims, but it does seem to work. Scratches and bird s**t etchings disappear if you leave the film out in the sun for a few days. Good stuff. The new films also have a 10 year warranty (which includes labor for re-installation), so I am hoping it holds up for the long term.

What will be interesting is seeing what happens when I try to pull off the 3M PPF from my 2004 Miata (PPF installed in 05). The film started to haze and crack this year, but it definitely outlived its warranty which I think was 2 years.
 

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All of my new cars get PPF to keep them looking good for longer. We keep our cars for 10+ years, so I am not looking at adding resale value, but more for the enjoyment of my cars looking mint. Freeway driving in the northern states during winter is akin to taking your paint through a sandblaster. No thanks. Our 2017 V60 has full frontal Suntek film (Full hood, front fenders, headlights, bumper, mirrors, and door cups) and it has held up great for the past two years. Cost was around $1400, but the prices seem to be going up by the day. I was skeptical of the self-healing claims, but it does seem to work. Scratches and bird s**t etchings disappear if you leave the film out in the sun for a few days. Good stuff. The new films also have a 10 year warranty (which includes labor for re-installation), so I am hoping it holds up for the long term.

What will be interesting is seeing what happens when I try to pull off the 3M PPF from my 2004 Miata (PPF installed in 05). The film started to haze and crack this year, but it definitely outlived its warranty which I think was 2 years.
I did the same to our 18' V90CC.
great stuff and would do it again on the next car.
I just replaced the film on our 07' V70 headlights. Headlights looked out of the box brand new.
If you plan on keeping the car long term (for us 15-20 years) and care what it looks like - :thumbup:
 

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If you are a DIY kind of person, that'd be sweet. But I believe none of these DIY kits compare to a professional job at the end of the day. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Wrapping the front bumper and engine hood with a black bra of some sort would be nice. I'm not sure I would go with the film..that's expensive. But a custom-made removable bra probably won't come cheap either.
 

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Wrapping the front bumper and engine hood with a black bra of some sort would be nice. I'm not sure I would go with the film..that's expensive. But a custom-made removable bra probably won't come cheap either.
Bra's don't fit that well, can flap in the wind and move. If something gets under and the bra moves a bit while traveling it can scratch. If they get wet you should remove to let everything dry. PITA.
Film - on & done.
 

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Wrapping the front bumper and engine hood with a black bra of some sort would be nice. I'm not sure I would go with the film..that's expensive. But a custom-made removable bra probably won't come cheap either.

Did you install any clear film? Opticoat / xpel? Or use any bra to protect you 2012?
 
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